U of M to require student-athletes to be fully vaccinated by Aug. 1
From Angelique -- key info is in the title.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2021/06/30/university-michigan-require-student-athletes-fully-vaccinated/7817679002/
Seems like a no-brainer to me, but I am sure different sports and different schools will have different policies, so we'll see how many schools do the same or follow the lead of NC State instead.
Surely this thread will be a font of calm, rational discourse.
Yeah, no shit. Denard will want to be in space for this one.
It really should be considering almost every student across the country needs their vaccines up to date in order to play sports. This isn't a radical requirement by any means
I don’t necessarily agree. You can’t compare this vaccine to all other vaccines. This one is still only available under emergency authorization use. It does not have the full approved status of all of the other long-tested vaccines. MMR, Pertussis, chicken pox, polio, and whatever else you’re required to have have been around for a very long time (chicken pox being the youngest at about 25 years old). Considering the youth of the vaccine and that individuals in the 18-25 age bracket are at virtually no risk to the disease, it is very reasonable for a college kid to decide not to get it.
It's a complete misconception that this vaccine is "young." mRNA vaccines have been in development for almost a decade and has been considered a safe technology. It's young compared to some vaccines but there has been no evidence of serious side effects after almost a year at this point to where it's not really reasonable for anyone to not want to get it
It is going. You can't compare it to other mRNA treatments for entirely different things and pretend it's the same thing.
mRNA vaccines have been in development for 30+ years.
1. mRNA vaccines: an idea more than 30 years in the making
When Katalin Karikó, Ph.D., came to the United States from Hungary in 1985, she brought with her a passionate determination to work on mRNA. Messenger RNA is fundamental to life: sets of blueprints, spelled out using four nucleotide “letters,” for building every protein in every life form on Earth. Karikó’s big idea was to produce proteins at will by injecting mRNA into cells, but her experiments did not work for a long time. Lack of success forced her to rely on one senior scientist after another to support her work, while she made only meager wages.
In 1998, Karikó partnered with Drew Weissman, M.D., Ph.D., at the University of Pennsylvania. Weissman was interested in developing an HIV vaccine based on mRNA. After many failures, Karikó and Weissman learned that natural mRNAs use small amounts of slightly modified nucleotides, in addition to the four standard nucleotides. When the scientists inserted the modified nucleotides into the mRNAs they were using in their research, they began to find that these modified mRNAs produced proteins efficiently without causing undesirable side effects. They began to publish their findings, starting in 2005. By the time the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 showed up in 2020, Karikó and Weissman were already working on an influenza vaccine based on their mRNA technology.
Yes the broader catagory of that type of medical treatment has been studied for a long period of time. But the actual thing we're talking about *THIS* treatment was produced on an expedited timeline.
I'm not sure if you're a bad actor intentionally going for slight of hand, or just not able to think critically.
Your argument is the equivalent of saying an experimental car is as road ready as other cars just because we've had automobiles for a long time.
Having to resort to that sort of idea laundering just shows you have no real arguments, which makes a lot of sense because you're arguing against a fact.
"No evidence of serious side effects after almost a year.....".
The first EAU for Pfizer was issued on December 11th so it's been just over six months....not really "almost a year".
I'm pretty certain he was also referring to the testing stages of the vaccines that have been in use here in the USA since the first EAU was issued to Pfizer.
So yes, almost a year.
They can still transmit it. A vaccine will minimize super speaders within the population
https://www.bitchalot?.com/video/BQpByeByeNColbertJazbqF/
So, you are saying you should not get the vaccine even though there is absolutely no reported side-effects (even J&J blot clot issues are very small), but perfectly willing to risk kids that age getting exposed to covid which have been WELL DOCUMENTED to cause long-lasting side-effects for significant number of people.
Hmmm... interesting logic there.
This just came out:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/07/fda-includes-warning-of-rare-heart-inflammation-risk-on-pfizer-moderna-vaccines/
I wouldn't call heart risks no side effects. I have a family history of heart problems, not understanding all the risks, I'd be hesitant to just shoot up. Granted most kids don't think that way, but I'm not sure the administration taking advantage of kids decision making to put them at future risk is what Michigan should be doing. Especially in light of everything else they are dealing with.
It is far more likely that one gets cardiovascular issues from Covid than as a vaccine side effect.
Anecdotally, one of my wife's cousins has heart problems from long COVID. She's been in and out of the hospital after having problems standing up. She didn't have any existing health problems before; she was a volleyball player in college and has stayed in good shape.
That's a different argument than no side effects.
Per the article you linked ......
The US Food and Drug Administration, and FDA, has included a warning of a rare risk of heart inflammation to the patient and provider fact sheets for the Pfizer and Moderna Covid-19 vaccines.
For each vaccine, the fact sheets were revised to include a warning about myocarditis and pericarditis after the second dose and with the onset of symptoms within a few days after receiving the shot.
However health officials insist that the benefits of receiving the vaccines still outweigh any risk. There have been 12.6 heart inflammation cases per million doses for both vaccines combined.
That's a 0.00126% chance. The chances of heart issues from getting Covid is far far higher.
Nearly one-fourth of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have been diagnosed with cardiovascular complications, which have been shown to contribute to roughly 40% of all COVID-19-related deaths.
But two recent studies suggest heart damage among those infected may be more widespread. In JAMA Cardiology, an analysis of autopsies done on 39 COVID-19 patients identified infections in the hearts of patients who had not been diagnosed with cardiovascular issues while they were ill.
Another JAMA Cardiology study used cardiac MRIs on 100 people who had recovered from COVID-19 within the past two to three months. Researchers found abnormalities in the hearts of 78% recovered patients and "ongoing myocardial inflammation" in 60%. The same study found high levels of the blood enzyme troponin, an indicator of heart damage, in 76% of patients tested, although heart function appeared to be generally preserved. Most patients in the study had not required hospitalization.
I don't understand people who say "The vaccine has side effects, I'm not getting it" when there's a 0.001% chance of getting said effects from the vaccine, but a 25% chance of getting said side effect from covid.
http://45.89.97.6/2021-06-30-vl-N-Colbert-adverse-events-He's-Now-banned-covid19-jabs-cdc.html
Do you get extra pellets or water in your cage when you post that?
That is absolutely not what that article is saying.
But glad you fell for it!! IDK what Q Anon site you found this on but your reading comprehension is piss poor.
Feel free to reply in a bit -- I think I hear your mom calling you upstairs for dinner.
well there are no longer barriers to transfer so it is still their choice.
How do you define virtually no risk? By most measures, the risk for those under 18 is quite low, but it starts to grow when you get above that age.
For instance over the first year of covid, deaths from flu in a typical year and from covid were very similar for those age 5 to 14. For those 15 to 24, Covid deaths were about 4 times higher. Risk of hospitalization was about 7 times higher for covid those ages 18 to 29 than those ages 5 to 17. While other people being vaccinated will likely lower these types of numbers, more contagious variants will likely increase them.
While we don’t have long term risk information from these new vaccines, we also don’t have long term risk information about covid.
Considering individuals in the 18-25 age bracket are at virtually no risk from the vaccine, it is entirely reasonable that everyone gets it.
You were sounding moderately reasonable in the first half.....that is until you went into full covidiot mode. Fail
Almost 2,800 people under the age of 30 have died from Covid, to say nothing about the number hospitalized. What you contend to be the case is devoid of facts. Lower risk, yes, no risk? Wrong.
Unless there is a solid, medical reason for not receiving one of the mRNA vaccines, it should be required before a student is allowed to matriculate on campus this fall.
People need to do some reading about mRNA technology. It is hardly new, has been used in vaccines before, and dates back almost 30 years to its discovery in Hungary. Work has been ongoing since the mRNA was conceived to perfect the reduction to practice aspect of the vaccine and that has been realized. The size of the trials, the number of people worldwide that have now been vaccinated, most with minor side effects, and the extremely high level of efficacy against various Covid variants should be celebrated, not denigrated by people with little knowledge of immunology.
'Considering the youth of the vaccine and that individuals in the 18-25 age bracket are at virtually no risk to the disease, it is very reasonable for a college kid to decide not to get it.'
I whole-heartedly disagree with this sentiment. An increase in vaccination rate means the overall number of cases will continue to decrease. Fewer cases diminishes the chance for the virus to mutate into a more contagious and deadlier variant. We are already dealing with the ramifications of the virus continuing to mutate (ie Delta variant is slowly becoming the dominant strain due to it being more contagious) so it would be wise to limit this possibility as much as one can. As we get more cases, the chance a current variant mutates into something that increases the morality rate of those in the current 'low-risk' group will continue to rise.
Additionally, getting vaccinated isn't just about yourself. This may be a novel concept, but every person who gets vaccinated is helping those around you who may not be able to get the vaccine for valid health reasons (ie those who are immunocompromised). I believe we owe it to those members of our community to do what we can so they can also resume their lives. But like I said, in today's era of what does this do for me, I can see why that point would get lost.
It's also had about a billion doses given, with no deaths and no significant pattern of problematic side effects. So there's that evidence to ignore at your own peril. It's also used to treated a highly prevalent, highly contagious disease, unlike mumps or pertussis (which aren't highly prevalent), so there's a public health imperative too.
I'm sure certain folks won't be able to deal with this rationally, but seeing as our football team ended its season early due to COVID, our men's basketball team missed two weeks b/c of COVID contagion fears (and they didn't even have it!) and the hockey team was pulled from the NCAA tourney b/c of COVID protocols, it's seem a relevant thing to know what our school is doing to address the situation (whether you think their plan is a good idea or not is up to you).
How did I forget the Ohio state game was cancelled lol
I've forgotten about last year entirely. Didn't happen.
We would have won that damn game, too! /s
This comment started it all. Vaccines are great. If only people that didn’t get vaccinated only harmed themselves. Second hand non vaccination is real
What about religious objection?
Coaches, staff or athletes who don’t want to get the vaccine for religious or medical reasons must supply documentation to the athletic department.
And the lord said, ye shall not receive succor from the point of a needle
Probably shouldn't play with such an area as scripture.
Not even a little?
Also don't mess with my Star Wars canon, or I'll be very mad.
Wait until you learn how that scripture ended up in a language you can read.
It is easier for a camel to pass through a hypodermic needle than for an unvaccinated athlete to enter the B1G season.
Pretty sure Jesus wrote about this in one of the bibles. No mixed fabrics, shellfish, or covid vaccines.
10.1.1Don't forget about thou shalt not wear tube socks with flip-flops.
Amen
Where's it say that in the Bible?
My religion demands that I run around the office in a clown suit at 9 A.M., noon, and 3 P.M. M-F blasting an air horn randomly. This has been a tough sell with management, but my pastor has threatened me with expulsion from the flock if I don't stick with the ritual. I'm conflicted.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/BQpGIYJazbqFU/
