December 22nd, 2021 at 1:13 PM ^
Can't they make a waiver for a 5-7 team, or are they concerned a team that wasn't prepping for a bowl probably doesn't have any COVID mitigation efforts in place right now?
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:15 PM ^
Go call Nebraska. Best 3-9 team in America, baby.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:34 PM ^
Scott's mom is writing a letter to the Gator Bowl folks this very minute with Scott looking over her shoulder...
"Mom, tell them we hit hard."
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:20 PM ^
Hands down the best 3-9 team in the country. And their coach's mom is their biggest booster.
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:25 PM ^
Winner, winner
December 22nd, 2021 at 4:09 PM ^
25% of the time it wins every time
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:21 PM ^
Seminoles, mount up.
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:05 PM ^
I'd rather the Regulators mount up.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:29 PM ^
Maximum schadenfreude: Texas in for A&M.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:33 PM ^
MSU in for Michigan. Yeah ... that wouldn't resonate at all in these parts.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:39 PM ^
You're burying the lede. This will absolutely start affecting most bowl games soon including ours. They need to let vaxxed players play at will.
December 22nd, 2021 at 6:30 PM ^
Would be easier to allow a team to play in a second bowl game. The easiest choice would be Florida. They play in the Gasparilla bowl tomorrow. They are in close proximity and will have enough time.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:16 PM ^
Said team wouldn't have been practicing and would have likely released its players for break. Doesn't seem like it would be an option.
*response to above comment. My bad.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:20 PM ^
That game isn't until the 31st - still 9 days away! I thought vaxed players had a 5-day isolation - do they have that many unvaxed players? WTH??
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:23 PM ^
Seems fishy to me too. The math here doesn't seem to be adding up, unless those iso rules are different for bowl season? (grasping at logic)
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:27 PM ^
They probably just don't want to lose.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:30 PM ^
Cowards
- Kirk Herbstreit
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:42 PM ^
I’m going to guess it’s going through the team at a rate that they know they’re just waiting on more positives to come. Also, while players might technically be able to play on the 31st, they probably can’t travel on Sunday or Monday with the team, and it’s not a given that every player will clear protocols in the minimum amount of time.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:46 PM ^
Also, this just hit the wire...
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:53 PM ^
Smart!
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:53 PM ^
Can we parachute the team in from a hermetically sealed bubble 15 minutes before the game?
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:22 PM ^
The Jacksonville Jaguars are right there. They could use a win to help the Lions draft #1.
December 22nd, 2021 at 4:12 PM ^
Are we 100% sure that they could beat Wake Forest?
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:22 PM ^
They might have another team - it looks like UMiami is having a covid outbreak as well. If they cancel then Washington State would theoretically be available. Their game was supposed to be played on the 31st as well.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:25 PM ^
It's interesting... but the logistics of it all. The Sun Bowl is in what Arizona? The Gator Bowl is in Florida.
Who travels? What bowl is it? What channel is it broadcast on? Etc etc...
It'll be interesting to see if all of the salient details other than "we got two teams" and "same day" can be worked through. Big money at stake.
EDIT - interesting idea by mfan below. Play the Gator now, and reschedule the Sun Bowl for a week later. Although now you're pushing up on class schedules, etc. These are, at least in theory, student athletes.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:28 PM ^
The Sun Bowl is in El Paso, I think.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:30 PM ^
Ah... so close. El Paso, Arizona East they always call it (said likely no one ever).
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:14 PM ^
Don't forget that in order to get from Arizona to El Paso you have to go through 200 miles of New Mexico.
December 22nd, 2021 at 3:47 PM ^
Truth or Consequences
The decision not the city.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:24 PM ^
With Miami’s situation also possibly affecting the Sun Bowl, they could just move Washington State from the Sun to the Gator, and they could reschedule the Sun Bowl to a week later, sort of as an appetizer for the CFP championship. They might even draw better with a Texas team in the game.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:51 PM ^
All those Washington State fans heading to El Paso would probably thank you for the trip to Florida.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:54 PM ^
Is El Paso really any worse than Jacksonville?
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:56 PM ^
Not as many sharks.
wait, is this a trick question?
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:33 PM ^
I'm sure other bowls will get canceled. Should be anxiety inducing.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:35 PM ^
And here we fucking go. Am I off base here with my opinion that any vaxxed player that has tested positive for omicron should be treated like they have the flu? If they're able to play in their bowl game, then they should have that option. This strain is much more benign to the general population, and these are world class athletes in their 20s.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:46 PM ^
Yes, you’re off base. The benignness of this strain is still being determined, as the population of South Africa is different than that of the US.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:50 PM ^
Fair enough. But if I am proven to be wrong then the orange bowl won't be played on NYE.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:48 PM ^
Only world class since Jared Lorenzen graduated.
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:49 PM ^
It seems like we probably need to start having that conversation. Would you expand that to general life? Is that perspective strain-dependent?
People certainly went about their lives with colds or the flu in the old world, though it may have been rude to do so. I wonder if there's a compromise where positive-tested players can play, but they have to wear a full visor + faskmask covering to lesson the chance of exhaling directly onto other players... the more I type, the messier this gets.
But if covid mutates forever and spreads this easily amongst people who are vaxxed, I'm not sure it's possible maintain the sort of quarantine protocol that we'd ideally want to (regardless of whether it makes sense to try)
December 22nd, 2021 at 1:50 PM ^
Although I don't believe it's certain that "the strain is much more benign to the general population," this seems like a reasonable idea. At some point, we have to change course and assume some risk while living our lives. And as you point out, these players were at very low risk of serious disease even before vaccination. Are we doing more harm than good with these policies?
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:01 PM ^
Good questions. Not an expert, my wife works in a hospital, cases are up a little from barely existent, and no one is dying, this variation is less lethal and I believe we should treat it as such. By all means now follow the science.
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:01 PM ^
Maybe we can have them just play virtually in NCAA Football 14. e-Sports is the future! We are logically evolving towards our final form, which closely resembles my avatar.
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:00 PM ^
People with the flu can still give other people the flu. People with covid can still give other people covid.
If everyone was vaccinated, I'd be all for your suggestion. But unvaccinated people are still around us and run a greater risk of having this wreck them. It's not just athletes involved here. You have referees, football staff and stadium workers, and on and on.
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:01 PM ^
Yes, you are off base.
The players are in their 20s, yes. But the people they infect won't all be. The behavior of each of us affects everyone else. That's one of my major beefs with the shitheads who apparently aren't bright enough to learn how to wear a damn mask properly, even after nearly two years of practice. Same with the morons who crow about compassion and consideration as part of their religious beliefs, then claim the same entitles them to behave in ways that will certainly infect others.
That this strain is more 'benign' is not yet certain, though preliminary data suggest that. Preliminary data also suggested that our favorite football team would be in the 7-9 win range this season; don't treat preliminary data as fact. DON'T.
These are games. No one lives or dies as a result. Many of the best players are skipping them anyway, because they aren't important. So if they need to cancel to limit spread of a deadly disease, then they should cancel and while the fan part of us might be disappointed, the part of us that is concerned with the well-being of others is grateful.
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:18 PM ^
I suppose that one of the things that has struck me about all that has transpired surrounding this in the last day or so is best encapsulated in some of the replies on Georgia message boards, where some wondered out loud about the team's collective vaccination status, but when quizzed about their own, some of those same people asking the question stated that they were not.
If that's the case, then we're seeing the same dangerous moral / ethical inconsistency in football fandom that we see a lot in daily life now, where those fans are implying that they are not subject to the expectation that they should do something - say, get vaccinated - for the collective good, but for entertainment purposes, their team perhaps is in their mind. To me, this says that they do not see the individuals on the team as equal, but that they are their to service their own needs. That's not right, and I think we need to discuss how not right that is.
December 22nd, 2021 at 3:49 PM ^
That attitude goes beyond just vaccination. I view many comments on this board about players (usually expressed in the heat of the moment or after a disappointing loss) through the eyes of a parent with a college-age kid who plays college sports, since that's who I am. I think fans forget that these young men are people who are actually working their asses off and doing their damndest to succeed. And they are also better at what they do than 99% of the fans who complain about them. That other 1% -- the people who may have played college sports -- get it and wouldn't condemn them for a bad performance. Let their coaches tell them. If a player has a bad day or makes a bone-headed play, it isn't intentional. So just say nothing and know they feel worse than you do. They're not really here just for us and our viewing pleasure. They're more invested than we are.
December 22nd, 2021 at 4:54 PM ^
South Africa has been averaging hundreds of thousands of new omicron cases a day for the last month. At one time there were zero omicron deaths. The daily death rate for all COVID variants is floating around 20 per day which is down from 400 per day since September. This is no longer preliminary data.
A prediction is an opinion and worth what you pay for it. Data is data and if you have it then it is a fact. Preliminary facts are actually facts.
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:08 PM ^
This board is not not uniquely capable of reasonable covid dialoge, so I generally steer clear, but now we're getting into issues that directly affect the football team in the midst of a dream season, so there's no avoiding it. Thus:
The news on omicron is very promising. I have opinions on what will become commonly accepted knowledge of it, and I think that will come to pass relatively quickly. Vaccines and boosters (which, I agree with others, would have been good for Michigan to take right after Iowa, but it is what it is) are widely available, stats are very promising for young men of football age. So I think the CW will change for this sort of thing, and relatively soon.
...But college football won't benefit from that CW change, because college football is governed by a number of large bureaucratic organizations with conflicting interests. That includes universities, which are responsible for the welfare of thousands of students and employees that have nothing to do with sports, have various different leadership structures, and can't just change on a dime.
This is not a criticism. This is reality. College football does not have a nimble power structure that can quickly develop a changed consensus and adopt it in two weeks; it just doesn't exist. It's hard for any conglomerate with a number of power orbits and interests as it is, and it's even tougher in this particular sport. This should be understood and accepted (and, if you don't like that leadership structure, consider whether you really want to radically centralize power to the NCAA or to a small board of conference commissioners that is a comfortable place for people like Jim Delany to spend 20 years).
So, what "should" happen is one question of which there will surely be much debate. But whether it "should" be a certain way or not, there is simply no way for the college football postseason to change the path in time for the completion of the season. No way at all.
And so we need to grit our teeth and just hope that Michigan gets through, plays with a relatively full roster, and wins.
December 22nd, 2021 at 2:16 PM ^
As you said --- the news on Omicron, specifically its severity vs. other strains, IS very promising. And that is not just from a South Africa POV.
It's a matter of how long it will take society to fully grasp it, a matter of how long society moves from a "case count is anything and everything" mentality.