So the new 4 team playoff didn't eliminate all controversy.

Submitted by TruBluWolv55 on
The final AP poll has TCU up to third behind OSU and Oregon. This is the team was ranked third and won their last regular season game by almost 50 points then got dropped to 6th to make room for OSU. Following their blowout of Ole Miss the voters have decided they are good enough to be ranked 3rd in the country. Did the 4 team playoff solve everything. I don't think so.

oriental andrew

January 15th, 2015 at 9:17 AM ^

8 TEAM playoff = 4 GAMES

No, the real reason they're not going to an 8 team playoff is that it would overly compromise the bowl system and the current institution would not stand for all the lost revenue, especially if they implemented such that the first round were on the campuses of the more highly ranked teams. 

 

mh277907

January 15th, 2015 at 9:31 AM ^

Well, if they went to 8, they could have the first round of games in the home stadiums of the higher ranked team. A playoff game in December in the 'Shoe or the Big House? Sign me up. And you could easily eliminate a terrible non-con game at the beginning of the season to make room for an additional game at the end. 

ChasingRabbits

January 15th, 2015 at 10:23 AM ^

4 teams will have Zero extra games.  2 teams will have 1 extra game. and 2 teams will have 2 extra games.  this is not a whole lot of extra games or a whole lot of time that the players will miss playing school. 

And who would go?  I think you would need to have first round games in non traditional bowl areas. (I would prefer a late regular season game as the first round on campus) but even if you had round 1 prior to xmas in Seattle, St Louis, Detroit, NY for instance... that would sell, then you can move south to tradition bowl places. and only have 3 games left to sell. 

These are not insurmountable problems. 

 

 

wolverine1987

January 15th, 2015 at 10:01 AM ^

a shot to be national champs. Brian demonstrated that in a post a couple years back advocating for his own 6 team playoff formula. That's the great thing about college football--if you lose two games in regular season you are done, in terms of winning the national title. And that is actually right and fair IMO, which is why the regular season is the best in sports. That is why the champ can lay legitimate claim to being the best team, not just the best team at the end of the season. 

mastodon

January 15th, 2015 at 12:54 PM ^

BS. Any system that encourages scheduling cupcakes, which this current one does, is flawed. Having P5 champ auto bids with an expanded field (8 games) encourages tough scheduling, in case your vying for one of the 3 at large bids. How great would the regular season be if chock-full of inter-P5 match-ups? That would make it real. Objectivity trumps subjectivity.

Bosch

January 15th, 2015 at 10:40 AM ^

....for 6. 5 ACs and 1 at large. Top 2 get first round byes. What I'm not really interested in is a team that had a chance in the regular season and lost get a second chance. You will see that often with 3 at larges (yes, I acknowledge that we would have benefited from this in 2006). What value would a playoff have if a team like MSU makes it in when they already lost to 2 teams ranked higher?

1464

January 14th, 2015 at 11:37 PM ^

...and then OSU won it.  Rather convincingly too.  

If anyone didn't belong, it was FSU.  But in another year, Bama would have smoked FSU, and the rebel flag would have been flying high for another year.

If your argument is that they should open it to 8 teams, I can kind of see your point.  I'm pretty okay with either 4,6, or 8, but definitely no more.

If your argument is that OSU didn't deserve to be there, which is what it seems to be, as you mentioned twice that TCU got bumped for OSU, then I'm gonna have to call bullshit.

Danwillhor

January 15th, 2015 at 12:20 AM ^

before the semi games I was all up in arms about osu robbing TCU. I knew in my heart that FSU wasn't a top 4 team despite their record & defending champs so I let them slide & said osu robbed TCU. No they didn't. FSU robbed TCU! For years I've been screaming to all that the BCS was flawed but could be viable (at least better) if the insane notion of pre-season polls were abolished - no polls until all teams play 5 games. Rewarding a team for last season's accomlishments (or hurting for a bad year) is flat out insane & wrong. It's not the same team, never is. Many teams were screwed out if title games and more often better bowls because of rewarding a team based on last year with polls before a game has been played. To get to the point: FSU was not a top 4 team, should not have been in the playoff undefeated defending champs or not because anyone with eyes could see they were not a top 4 team. FSU robbed TCU! osu, as much as I hate saying it, deserved to be in despite the VT/PSU games & they were the best team of the 4 that made it in. I said if they got by Bama they'd handily beat either FSU/Oregon. They did. TCU is the only thing that is keeping me from unashamedly calling osu the "HANDS DOWN" best team in the country. THAT game would be a good one! I didn't think Oregon stood a chance and backed off my "blowout" prediction to "they'll win by 10+" after being called crazy, dumb, etc. TCU matches well with them. That is your title game but osu deserved that trophy after the 4 were announced. Blame FSU, not osu......I think I just threw up in my mouth. Expand it to the same system but P5 champs +1 undefeated non-P5. If their isn't one, committee picks the 6th team. Top two get a bye, etc. They say it'll be 4 teams until 2025 & I say it'll be 6 (and rightfully stay there) in 2016/17 season.

conradb42

January 15th, 2015 at 9:34 AM ^

The point is that TCU, who was playing just as well at the end of the year, never got a chance to prove it. For all we know, TCU could have playing Bama and Oregon just as well.

As much as I hate it, OSU played like national champs when they needed to and there is no arguing that given the situation, they deserve it. Buy much like the BCS, we are left wondering, "What if..."

Fuzzy Dunlop

January 15th, 2015 at 9:42 AM ^

Ugh.  I hate this argument.  The playoff is not perfect.  But it is absolutely an improvement on what came before it.

If this was last year we would have had an Alabama/FSU championship game.  Utterly ridiculous in light of what happened in the playoffs.

No matter how many teams are in the playoffs, there will always be a team complaining about being left out.  Better it be the 5th, 7th, or 9th ranked team than the 3rd ranked team.

And if TCU wanted to be in the championship, they should have beaten Baylor or played some better teams as part of their out of conference schedule.  They looked great against Ole Miss, but before that they gave up 61(!) points to Baylor, and squeaked by West Virginia and Kansas of all teams.  There's a reason they were ranked 6th coming into the playoffs -- they weren't even the first team out.

Mr. Yost

January 14th, 2015 at 11:33 PM ^

Alabama, FSU and Baylor all lost...TCU won, OSU won and Oregon went 1-1 with a loss to the #1 team in the country.

That is literally how the polls have worked since they were invented...

You're reaching, reaching HARD.

goblue16

January 14th, 2015 at 11:34 PM ^

Controversy will always exist even if its a 16 team playoff team 17 and 18 WILL complain. A four team playoff definitely reduced the controversy to 1 team instead of 4. 8 team playoff would b perfect IMO but a 4 team is still superior to the BCS

TruBluWolv55

January 14th, 2015 at 11:39 PM ^

One of my points is that OSU fans are playing the Undisputed Champs" card, and there will always be some degree of uncertainty. I do agree the 4 team playoff is a step up from the BCS.