Snowflake Thread: Coaching

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Up 7 to uber conservative offense - to delay of game - to punt - to horrendous pooch - to allowing three consecutive bombs.  I am a sunshine blower but that is the worst game management I've ever seen.

Sten Carlson

October 13th, 2013 at 1:32 AM ^

Obviously the OL isn't helping things, but the turnovers made the ND closed than it should have been, kept Akron in the game, kept UConn in the game, and kept PSU in the game.  You tell me, the number of turnover is one thing, the points off those TO's is the problem.  Further, those are drives on which Michigan is not scoring.

trueblueintexas

October 13th, 2013 at 2:01 AM ^

In this game, the turnovers did not mean much. The fact Michigan was up 10 late in the fourth bears that out. But turnovers alone are not this teams problem. Here's a prime example? On PSU's first touchdown Mattison chose to rush three and drop eight into coverage on the 12 yard line. The players can't do squat about that, the coaches make the call. That close to the end zone it makes no sense having eight in coverage. It only take a tiny window of separation to make a play because it is such a short throw. Sure enough, Hackenberg had all day to find that window and he hit it. You can say it was execution, but that was a coaching mistake. Send at least four, and preferably five so the QB doesn't have time to find the window that close to the end zone. Six or seven in coverage will be able to do about the same quality of coverage in a tight space. But that was not the game plan Mattison came in with. Thankfully Mattison adjusted. Enough "opppps" like that and a game like this was inevitable.

Blue in Yarmouth

October 13th, 2013 at 8:53 AM ^

Up to the coaches to notice when something isn't working and adjust.Al won't do that. I'm no football guru but I knew almost every play all in it. Put him in the gun at least and show the potential of Gardner running. Borges laid an egg last night...and not the golden variety.

jcouz

October 13th, 2013 at 9:09 AM ^

While it was our QB who threw picks, our OL that didn't block, our K who missed kicks, I want to know how a program that out-recruits every team in the conference, minus Ohio St, can get dominated on the line of scrimmage and get outplayed by teams with less overall talent. Coaches are responsible for developing talent and I don't see improvement in most of our players.

MikeCohodes

October 12th, 2013 at 11:40 PM ^

I don't think we do, do we? Maybe we should consider hiring one, to help DG stop throwing so many picks.

It'd be nice if the O-line coach did a better job too. the line has regressed so much this year, even Lewan looked better last year.

And shame on Hoke for not using that timeout at the end of regulation to prevent that delay of game penalty. He uses it there and we are back inside Gibbons' usual range and not having him kick a 53 yarder.

Lastly, we need to regain our balls. We used to sing Hoke's praises for going for it on 4th down all the time, but this year he seems wimpier. BOB had way more balls on the other side of the field tonight.

I just hate it when we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Ok back to drinking.

/end rant

Dilithium Wings

October 12th, 2013 at 11:50 PM ^

Borges is our QB coach. The picks are on Devin not Al. Those two picks were just awful and not coaching would have been able to prevent that. Maybe Devin simply isn't good.

Yes, lots of blame on Hokes shoulders. He's had three of them in his career at Michigan. Iowa year one. Nebraska year two for not having a real backup for when Denard goes down and this game. It was clearly his worst management game. There's no hiding it.

I agree on that aggressive nature needs to come back. It sets a tone for the team and so far it's his tone has been I don't have confidence.

SDCran

October 13th, 2013 at 12:52 AM ^

Yes, we lost after being ahead. But where was the terrible game management? Ok, one missed TO, while ahead 7 with 1:00 left. Other than that...? He kicked a FG with 7 seconds left instead of running another play?

We lost because they completed two long jump balls, and we missed 2 FGs that we should make 90+%.

funkywolve

October 13th, 2013 at 1:24 AM ^

they didn't call a TO in OT before the play clock hit zero in OT.  Cost UM 5 yds and ended up trying a 50+ yd FG.  Who made the call for Garnder to spike the ball on first down when the clock was stopped?  Gallon got out of bounds so the clock wasn't going to start until the ball was snapped and UM spikes it.  That shows me that the coaches were clueless on the sideline as to what was taking place on the field.

Soulfire21

October 13th, 2013 at 10:35 AM ^

Also, when Gardner's helmet came off and he had to come out, one of two things should've happened:

  • Burned the timeout so our super-efficient red zone QB could be in
  • Have Morris pass, or bootleg, anything but handoff to Fitz (which everyone in the stadium knew was going to happen)

We burned a down on 2nd and goal by running Fitz into a wall of bricks (happened numerous times).  That 4 points would've been the difference.

PeteM

October 13th, 2013 at 12:11 AM ^

This has probably been send below but I'm astounded by how bad our o-line is.  Yes, Kalis, Bryant and Glasgow are inexperienced but they are still Michigan players going against an undersized Penn State line.  Can someone explain what is going on other than bad coaching.

SDCran

October 13th, 2013 at 12:44 AM ^

I wonder if the T A&M fans are upset at Their coach for running up the middle from the 23 with 20 seconds left? He was just setting up the kicker for a 33 yard FG for the win on the road. Playing not to lose

Oscar Goldman

October 13th, 2013 at 12:49 AM ^

If we had Sumlin, or someone close to his caliber involved with the offense, we would all be much happier people right now.  Sumlin is so far above anyone on this coaching staff IMO (and I do think Hoke and Mattison are pretty good usually), that your point is ridiculous.  Sumlin would be the coach of choice for all but maybe 3 programs in the country if they could get him. 

SDCran

October 13th, 2013 at 12:57 AM ^

How many posts on here are about conservative play calling in OT before the FG attempts? ~1000? And yet here a coach that you say is a top national coach makes the exact same call. His kicker makes, our misses. Does that make his call better? Does that mean we play not to lose, while he goes for the win? Sometimes players don't execute.

gbdub

October 13th, 2013 at 2:45 AM ^

That's all about the game clock though. Not an issue in OT. When Sumlin does that after he's already missed to game winning FGs and the clock is no an issue, you'll have a point.

Did Sumlin punt from the 35? Did he take a delay of game with a TO in hand to get out of game-sealing FG range? Did he throw away a down at 2nd and goal to save a TO when his star dual threat red zone expert QB had to be replaced by a freshman for a play?

BlueinLansing

October 13th, 2013 at 12:55 AM ^

how do you expect an offensive co-ordinator to "be agressive", "be creative" etc etc when he has no clue whether his QB will throw the ball to his guys or the other teams?

Blue in Yarmouth

October 13th, 2013 at 8:43 AM ^

Let me guess...you were one of the fire RR crew and can't bring yourself to admit that this staff has issues too.

What can he do? How about call some plays that have proven to work for a change instead of stubbornly slamming his RB up the middle where he knows will be no holes.

Al Borges has been horrible far more than he has been good. Look at what MSU is doing with what limited talent they have for Pete sake. They have seen improvement while we seem to be regressing.

Magnum P.I.

October 13th, 2013 at 1:23 AM ^

What follows are real U-M statistics from today's game:

  • Number of 1st down plays:   32

Of those,

  • Number of RB runs: 14
  • Number of QB runs:  7
  • Number of passes:   11

Of the RB runs,

  • 1.8 yards per play; 9 plays of 1 or fewer yards

Of the QB runs,

  • 10.0 yards per play; 0 plays of 1 or fewer yards

Of the passes,

  • 15.1 yards per play; 4 plays of 1 or fewer yards (of which 3 were incompletions)

LSAClassOf2000

October 13th, 2013 at 6:51 AM ^

Admittedly, the first down stats are not encouraging with regards to RB play. We played a team that - at least this year - is only slightly more stingy against the run overall than Minnesota, but they had it nailed and we're still struggling with run blocking. I just find it intriguing that good old option football still works and the rushing game is sporadic when I believe the idea was to have both working consistently, but for all that and largely thanks to Devin Gardner, we only hit slightly below our average for rushing yardage. I rather agree, however, that we need to, shall I say, severely curtail situations like last night where 81% of those yards are coming from the QB. 

bo_lives

October 13th, 2013 at 2:11 AM ^

I have to ask... what makes you think next year will be so great?

We'll lose our two senior tackles. We'll lose our senior tailback. We'll have the same quarterback. We'll probably have better options at receiver... but that's the offensive position we're least concerned about at this point.

On top of that, we'll have probably the toughest schedule in recent memory, going on the road vs. Notre Dame, Michigan State, Northwestern, and Ohio.

So then will everyone be saying 2015 is the year? Bottom line is, public pressure is building against this coaching staff now, and they'll need quite an impressive finish in 2013 if they hope to defuse the situation before the offseason.

TheTeam16

October 13th, 2013 at 2:04 AM ^

At what point do we start wondering why it is that Borges was not employed anywhere significant up until Brady rang his phone at SDSU? If he is such a competent "QB coach and OC" wouldn't he have been working somewhere...or at least teaching QB camps ala george whitfield? 

This chaps my ass and it keeps on stumping me as to why this man is the OC at The University of Michigan. Give me a goddamn break, fucking look at braxton miller with jim bollman, and look at him under herman and meyer. Sure he still isnt a world beater, but he is sure as hell a lot better than he was coming up here in 2011. Why is it that thier staff can mold a qb to some extent? Why is it that numerous other schools can plug in underclassmen at OL, WR, DL, etc and be at least servicable if not decent? 

I AM SO SICK AND FUCKING TIRED OF BEING THE EXCEPTION!!! THIS IS MICHIGAN DAMNIT, and for christ sake we should NEVR, EVER be in these loser ass situations with evidently NO OBVIOUS ANSWERS TO ANYTHING!!!???

Wendyk5

October 13th, 2013 at 9:12 AM ^

Look at Michigan State this season. Their offense was worse than a train wreck at the beginning of the season, and yet.....ugh, I even hate saying these words, but they're actually getting better. I think you've made a great point. 

mGrowOld

October 13th, 2013 at 9:26 AM ^

But why are they "getting better" is what's so damning.  The coaching staff looked at what they had and adjusted their game plan and play calling to maximize the strengths and minimize the weaknesses.  Our staff seems to be locked into a particular set of play calls and no matter what is happening in front of them they seem incapable or unwilling to deviate from the plan.

Compound that with Hoke chanelling his inner Lloyd Carr at the end of the game and in OT and you've got a recipe for a disaster.  Now the question will be what do they do next?  Unlike a lot of people here I'm not willing to write off the season (I still see wins against Indiana, Iowa, Nebraska and either OSU. Northwestern or MSU) as very possible which would put us at 9-3 which is about where everybody had us at the beginning of the year.

goblue20111

October 13th, 2013 at 10:34 AM ^

Because you have a group of fucking morons who would rather stroke their dicks to an offensive set of a 6'4" statute for a QB, and a RB in an I formation set than adjust to the times. These are the same people who would rather lose or be mediocre as long as we play "Michigan football" (whatever the fuck that means) than win with change.

I'm so sick and fucking tired of losing. There is no reason why we are always so bad except incompotent coaching and underdevelopment of our talent. How the fuck else do you explain losses to App St???

College football has changed and this fanbase still thinks it's pre-WWII. You can't just lineup and pound other people. Teams and players are better. There is way more parity than has ever existed in history.

Lane Kiffin's record was not bad at USC and Haden knew that for a program like USC, it was wholly unacceptable. USC is still a cashcow but how long is that going to last with no wins? He took action. I wonder if Brandon has the balls to do that? Probably not -- he can't figure out how to make a profit ther. 

Something needs to change. We don't need a complete overhaul but something akin to the offense we ran against Florida in the Capital One Bowl. I cannot believe how much talent was on that team and we fucking blew it.

jonvalk

October 13th, 2013 at 9:03 AM ^

The bottom line is that we choked away a 10- point lead in the most epic fashion. They kept handing us the game in OT and we kept saying, "nah, you take it."

I want a coach who has balls and plays to win. Oh, ya know, like Hoke in 2011 against ND. Where did that aggression go?!

Charlie Chunk

October 13th, 2013 at 9:07 AM ^

Bad Quarterback play will make a coach look inept every time!  

If we quit turning the ball over, the wins will happen.  

Borges is conservative.  He's more conservative when his QB gives the ball away every other set of downs!  We might see a change at QB before the end of the year.

Just my opinion.

Go Blue!

jblaze

October 13th, 2013 at 9:17 AM ^

Like saying the team that scores more points win.

The turnovers are because our line is awful and we get in 3rd and long. Also, Devin realizes that our running game is garbage, so he feels like he needs to force the issue, and he's right.

The only real problem is that our O line is awful and Borges needs to accept that as a given and scheme/ call plays to work around that.

blueak

October 13th, 2013 at 11:15 AM ^

The Oline can't move shit and Borges doesn't have the coaching ability to work around that issue. Both Funk and Borges should be dismissed immediately, but you know damn well that it's not the "Michigan" way to do that. Unlike Hoke and Mattison, Borges has never taken any blame for losses. He comes across arrogant in his interviews. He is, most certainly, the weakest link on this team.

jblaze

October 13th, 2013 at 11:41 AM ^

We have a QB who can run, a good RB, and a poor oline. That's a recipe for a standard RR type read option, which doesn't expose Gardner to INTs.

I don't understand why Borges doesn't understand our Oline sucks. Every team has a weakness. It's normal, but Borges does not work around that weakness.

Leonhall

October 13th, 2013 at 9:19 AM ^

many complaints have already been addressed, here's my 2 cents.

 

Mattison: I don't understand this defense, zero pressure most of the game, when there was pressure, the QB rushed and was forced from pocket. Most of the time the DB's are giving 10 yards cushion, creating easy, easy completions. The substitutions were too much when PSU was in the hurry up, we had players subbing in and out and barely getting set.

 

Borges: Why we continue to run power with either back is beyond me, it never works. I know Borges doesn't coach the o-line, (FUNK), but this o-line is very frustrating. How is it that we NEVER open any lanes? Just absolutely pitiful that we cannot improve in this area. The playcalling in the OT's were dreadful, i HATE playing for a FG attempt. You basically are halting the offense, telling them that you have ZERO confidence in their ability. On any of the the 3rd downs, particularly, the 3rd and 1 after the shitty spot on Gallon's catch, a Gardner bootleg could have been taken to the house, but instead we get nothing, probably lose yardage. This philosophy puts WAY too much pressure on your kicker, granted, he's been money before but, damn.

 

Hoke: First off, why can't he wear a headset? I swear, it is so frustrating. He says he likes to coach kids or whatever on the sideline!! BS, I honestly don't think he knows what the hell he is doing, otherwise he wouldn't rely so much on his coordinators. How the hell can you be the head coach yet NEVER know what the offensive play is? Wouldn't that bug the crap out of you? You are the HEAD COACH, you are the one RESPONSIBLE! The mismanagement of the clock and timeouts was bad too. During regulation, why use your final timeout when Penn State is at the 1? There was just a 2-3 minute break for replay? Why waste that timeout? I'll tell ya, it would have been nice to have it on that final drive so that with 7 seconds left, we could possibly get another play in to shorten a 52 yard field goal. Other flaws...what was up with the spike in OT? Even Gardner had a look of confusion on his face? The delay of game penalty...partially goes to Gardner, but why can't Hoke call a timeout?

 

I love this University, I love Michigan football, but honestly I am too invested. I mean after the loss last night I felt too enraged, it can't be healthy. This loss is just as disappointing as the Appalachian State loss. This team is young and not real good. At this point for the rest of the year, I hope Mattison, Hoke, and Borges become more aggressive, we seem too vanilla. As far as offensively, stay with Gardner running and hope Fitz can get you 50-60 yards a game, use fitz more in the passing game, run the option more, get him in space, no more power run, it isn't working.

 

And yep, I'm going to say it, I think I will become a 49ers fan and hope that in the next 2 seasons, Harbaugh can win a super bowl, Dave Brandon retires, and Harbaugh comes back. There, I said it.

Coldwater

October 13th, 2013 at 10:09 AM ^

He is in his 11th season as a head coach. He has exactly 1 league championship to show for it. 2008 MAC West.

So he's doing now what he's always done: middle of the pack to occasionally upper level finish.