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|2 days 22 hours ago||Pope, You're so right. In||
You're so right. In thinking back it's amazing the talent that was squandered with Denard and Devin, and to think "what could have been" if those players were coming through the program NOW, or if Harbaugh had been in RR's place THEN. However, it's quite possible that Denard would have never come to Michigan were it not for RR. I think Devin would have been more likely as he was a Detroit kid, but again, we'll never know.
Transitions, especially ones that don't go smoothly, have an unfortunate side effect of lots of people falling through the cracks, so to speak. Hopefully, we're in for a period of continuity and consistency so this type of squandered talent NEVER happens again.
|2 days 23 hours ago||This ^^^^ x 1000!!!! I've had||
This ^^^^ x 1000!!!!
I've had this very same discussion with friends. If Brandon hired Harbaugh in 2007 I have no doubt that he would not be Michigan's coach right now. He probably would have righted the ship better than RR and Hoke did, over all, but Brandon would have driven him to the NFL in the same way York drove him to back to college and to Michigan. Further, as you aptly point out, much of his allure today was the result of his success in the NFL.
Coach lives by the mantra of improving every day. As such, it's safe to say he's a far better coach now than he was then, and that he'll continue to improve. It was painful, for sure, but if we had to wade through a river of shit like that to get to the Harbaugh side, I'd do it all over again as somethings are worth the pain and struggle.
|3 days 6 hours ago||Maybe. But, he might also||
Maybe. But, he might also have been a Heisman winning QB. Can you imagine Denard with elite QB coaching? Sadly, we'll never know.
|3 days 14 hours ago||I think it's absolutely||
I think it's absolutely necessary, at least at this point in Michigan's revival to national relevance. Harbaugh, as the OP, et. al. aptly point out, seems to have mastered the art of remaining a topic of conversation. Whether you love his antics or not, he is accomplishing his goal of building a buzz around Michigan football -- one that has been severely lacking of late.
Think about it. His first recruiting class is in 2016, and for those kids (and their parents) their biggest memory of Michigan is The Horror in 2007. Then the Rich Rod debacle, and the downward spiral of the Hoke tenure. Nobody remembers the Sugar Bowl win as it's written off as an aberration. Throw in losing to OSU and MSU consistently and Concussion Gate, and I'm pretty sure that Harbaugh is acutely aware of the fact that Michigan has nothing but bad press for going on a decade.
To rebuild perception requires an intense effort to show that things have changed on the field, and to get into the consciousness of the media and fans around the nation. CFB fans everywhere, not just Michigan fans, read every article that comes out about Harbaugh. Some chastise, some laugh, and some are ambivolent, but they're all READING and TALKING about him, and by extention, Michigan.
Harbaugh is like a PsyOp infecting the minds of rivals and recruits. Rivals can poke fun and hate all they want, but they cannot stop talking about him and Michigan. The beauty of this is that now that he's in their heads he can start dictating the narrative to what he wants, and what is best for Michigan long term. It doesn't matter if it starts off as hatred, it's the psychology of advertising/marketing and its proven to work like a charm.
Go get 'em Coach!!
|2 weeks 4 days ago||*sigh* this AGAIN?!? This||
*sigh* this AGAIN?!?
This "right way" moralistic (crap) is tiresome. Michigan fan watch as other programs rack up CC's and NC's and we pine to be relevant again. But, we also have a faction who thinks that the way these other programs operate is shady. Well, correlation might not always be causation but it bears investigating to see if it is.
There is a reason Bama has won so many NC's recently. Sure, some of it is Saban, but some of it is that they play the recruiting/roster management system to the hilt. Do they transgress to outright paying players? Who knows, but I doubt they do because they really don't NEED to with their success.
This is how the game is played today, like it or not. You're welcome to remain perched a top your high horses feeling icky everytime something like happens, it's your prerogative. Further, you're also welcome to rationalize mediocrity from on your moralistic high by crowing, "well WE do it right ..." If there or no violations, if everything is within the rules as they're laid out presently, I, for one say push it right to the line but not over.
The "right way" is within the rules, full stop! If you think the rules are unduly harsh towards the players, again, your prerogative. However, if you're also sick and tired of being a "has been" program whose most recent elite success came nearly 20 years ago, then by all means remain perched in your that holier then thou saddled. Adapt or die! If you're not willing to adapt to the current culture/ethos of big time CFB you're welcome not to, but don't complain when your beloved Wolverines are a footnote to modern CFB history.
I'll give a practical example. For those of you in the markets you'll know that trading these days has been overrun by HFTs who have tactics such as "spoofing" and "front running" that basically make it impossible for them to lose. These so-called "strategies," are -- for the most part -- enabled by the system who allows them to co-locate and basically receive a faster data feed than those unable or unwilling to fork over the $MM to set up the technology and monthly fees.
As a result of this relatively new market structure, "price discovery" -- the foundation of most trading -- has become nearly impossible because so much of the price is BS and manipulated by these HFT's and their tactics. Just like football programs that have refused to adapt, 2014 and 2015 saw a large number of previously successful hedge funds flounder and close -- their operators reporting that "price discovery is no longer possible."
These guys can't, or won't, "stoop to the level of" the HFT guys, yet it's the HFT's who are winning BIG TIME, and doing it within the rules as they are written now. Will that change? I don't know. But, one thing I can tell you is that there are ways/strategies these funds could employ that don't put such a big emphasis upon price discovery, that aren't even close to the "grey area" rules wise, and that dance with these algo fuckers like Fred and Ginger!
Adapt or die! Very simple. We saw Michigan in its death throes recently. Now we have a coach who is doing everything possible -- with in the rules -- to get Michigan back where we believe it belongs and we still have the "I feel icky crowd" wringing their hands. Adapt or die!
|3 weeks 1 day ago||That's cuz he was to dense to||
That's cuz he was to dense to take the hints he'd been receiving for nearly a year prior!
Good lord can this story just go away?!?
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Where's Donnie Brasco? I||
Where's Donnie Brasco? I thought he said Long wouldn't commit to this dumpster fire?!?
He must be off somewhere with Lefty and Sonny Black planning a jewel heist or something.
Great pick up, and welcome to Michigan young man. You're in great hands. Give it 100% every snap, drill, lift and you'll have a chance to be star!
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Whoa whoa whoa, pot is not||
Whoa whoa whoa, pot is not pointless ... It's ... It's ... It's
Um, yeah ... What was I saying?
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Yep! He's like the guy who's||
He's like the guy who's told, "I'll go out with you, but just as friends ..." They go out, despite the caveat he's out buying flowers, and asking her to go into increasingly romantic situations. Finally, after saying "maybe you should ask out some other girls" and him not hearing her, she finally comes out and calls off any contact. Sure, the dude feels spurned but (from the sounds of things) he wasn't taking the hints.
All this indignation is foolish.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Thanks UMChick!I should have||
I should have read it several times -- my writing was a bit off in a couple of places.
I put this in the cateogy of, "Michigan fans aren't happy unless they're miserable."
For all the love that Harbaugh gets from the Michigan fanbase, there seems to be this weird undercurrent of posters in here who are standing sential ready to jump all over him should he do something that offends their delicate sensibilities.
I am not, by any means, saying that blind loyalty to the Supreme Leader is called for. However, I've said it many times in here that optimisim (or an optimistic perspective on a story) is attacked with a vengence by the gentry in here.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Yep! As I said above. Hoke||
As I said above. Hoke offered very early, and the kid instantly accepted. Hoke's gone, and Harbaugh's staff affirmed when they got in, but likely added some caveats. Mostly likely the kid didn't live up to those provisions, which he failed to meet.
I'm baffled why people are so upset by this. As someone else said, JH doesn't hide the ball. He lets everyone know where they stand at all times. Why would this instance be any different? Swanson, with Michigan offer clutched in one hand, refused to accept that he wasn't going to make the cut and did nothing to cover his bases. Now, he's faced with the reality and is milking the media for some pats on the head as the emo crowd circle the wagons.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||HEY BRIAN! Quit the hand||
OMG, not ... not ... B ... B ... BRIAN HIMSELF?!? How could I have been so foolish as to express a contradictory opinion from that of BRIAN HIMSELF!
HEY BRIAN! Quit the hand wringing! Get over your indignation and realize this that these things happen in high-level recruiting. Maybe if Swanson payed attention to the nuances of this process he wouldn't have been blindsided. Again, I don't think he was, but is using this to garner so kind of emo response from those that care -- and he seems to have found the honey hole on MGoBlog.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Is it hard to hold the reins||
Is it hard to hold the reins of your high horses while wringing your hands?!?
You know what? I'm glad they let Swanson go if they thought he's below the bar they're trying to reach. I'm sick of the "anyway" recruits that we've been getting. There's nothing dirty or even remotely shady about this. Although we need more facts to flesh out the whole story, it sound like the staff told him to look around, to take all his OV's. That, alone, should have been an indication to the kid (or at least to his coaches and parents) that Michigan isn't as hot for him as he was for Michigan.
This sounds to me a bit like the kid had an obsessed crush on Michigan. He got an offer from Hoke, accepted on the spot, and when Harabugh came in ur reaffirmed it before he really got recruiting going. The kid never had a Michigan OV, and they said look around. He didn't. That's on him.
This whole discussion of integrity is spurious. The staff is doing what they need to do -- build the best class possible. A kid who isn't up to that level in their eyes and can't take the hint shouldn't be a concern in the least.
But, keep those hands wringing if you must -- it might keep you guys warm through the cold winter months.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||In this era of "concussion||
In this era of "concussion awareness" and with a head coach who probably has a more acute and accurate understanding of the risks due to his NFL playing experience, how can a simple "year off" anywhere near an appropriate prescription?
Is there a reason you want this to be a black eye on Harbaugh? Personally, even if it were what you're insinuating, and Pip was run off dubiously, I couldn't give a shit. This whole idea that underperforming players have to be maintained this taking up roster spots is naive to me. It's a competitive world, and a highly competitive environment in big time CFB.
But, that being said, that's not what went on here so you can'l stop the hand wringing.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||What happens next year isn't||
What happens next year isn't relevant in the least. Pipkins suffered several concussions so as to trip the medical staff to not clear him to play. There was no proverbial "spot needed," it was a legitimate safety issue.
Again, the hand wringers jumped all over this and blasted their high ground guilt all over, lamenting how we'd become OSU or (gasp) just like those SEC scoundrels we chastise so vehemently. Turns out, Pip has legit concussion issues, and Michigan was trying to do the right thing. If he wants to risk his health at TTech, and they're willing to clear him, that's their business. But, he's not playing for Michigan with that medical record. Isn't that a form of the "high road" especially considering how Pip might have helped a depleted D Line late in the season?
|3 weeks 4 days ago||What we know is that ES has||
What we know is that ES has been committed for some time, that OT is a position of need at Michigan, and that there seems to be no other OT to replace him. If these are facts, why would Harbaugh suddenly push a viable committed prospect away without an viable Plan B?
Those incredulous posters need to stop and think before pointing the dirty end of the stick. As some above aptly pointed out; the Pipkins affair seemed shady and ruffled feathers, but turned out to be anything but.
If we need OT's and STILL need OT's, something went wrong.
Personally, I'll wait for more facts, but for now, I'm assuming something went wrong and the staff is behaving properly.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||He's 100% going to redshirt||
He's 100% going to redshirt -- he and his parents were told so early on, and are totally on board with it.
Don't forget about O'Korn. He's the most likely starter, IMO, and from what we've heard. Personally, I hope we get Hill, and he is used in an untraditional/hybrid way along with O'Korn.
Welcome aboard Peters! You're in great hands with coach Harbaugh!
|10 weeks 1 day ago||^^^ this!!! I agree with||
I agree with everything you've said. However, my suspicion is that if Hill comes to Michigan (big if?) he's not going to be a "traditional QB" but more of a "offensive weapon." Again, if he comes, its a very unique and short-term situation. Having him outbattle O'Korn doesn't really serve much of a purpose -- unless he's heads and shoulders above him, as we might have a similar "slow start" like we saw from Rudock.
If the O'Korn hype is justified, he needs to play for two full seasons as Peters is groomed. But, no reason to waste athletic and leadership talent such as Hill possesses as a back-up.
Obviously just a hunch, but I think Harbaugh is gonna pull out something very special with Hill.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||Great write up 96 -- very||
Great write up 96 -- very illuminating!
One of the great mysteries -- to me at least -- is how a program like Indiana (a basketball school) has an elite OL and RB, while Michigan has struggled with both. I realize that the IU RB this season is a JuCo Transfer, but Coleman was awesome.
In stewing upon it I suppose continuity is an important -- this is wilson's 5th year -- aspect of the "player development" concept. In that span (2011 thru present), Michigan has had scheme/HC/coordinator changes almost continually.
It's pretty much a consensus that Hoke was a bad developer of talent -- an opinion which I hold as well -- but some of that failure -- in the OL and RB's -- has to have arisen from the perpetual change. To further exasperate things is the "dead man walking" effect upon recruiting (and to some extent development) that Michigan saw in 2010/11 and then again in 2014/15 classes.
All the while our immediate rivals in OSU, MSU, and ND were chugging along with a consistent process/plan in place -- and it shows!
Are our OL and RB's substandard? I don't know. Personally, I think Smith would be an All American if we had a traditionally elite Michigan OL. Further, I think the OL could have been elite had they had the consistency of scheme and coaching that these other programs have enjoyed.
Let's just hope that continuity and high level coaching/development are here to stay for a good long time.
|11 weeks 14 hours ago||Really?!? You're delusional.||
Really?!? You're delusional.
|11 weeks 14 hours ago||Really?!? You're delusional.||
Really?!? You're delusional.
|11 weeks 15 hours ago||I disagree Yost.||
I disagree Yost.
Adjustments were made, but OSU immediately counter punched and burned us deep.
Bottom line, they're a far more talented and deep team than Michigan. It not hard to see why, nor is there any shame in it being so.
The front did ok, it was the LB's who were worthless.
|11 weeks 15 hours ago||^^^ Yep! We've had such a||
We've had such a severe lack of continuity and lack of development while programs like OSU and MSU have been building depth across the board.
|11 weeks 15 hours ago||Why did they score those||
Why did they score those points? I saw a lot of players in position to make plays, but OSU was just bigger, stronger and faster. That's not coaching as much as it's just dealing with what they inherited. When Glasgow and Mario were in, and the DL rotation was better, the LB's weren't blocked by OL's as often.
If this is Hoke we might have won 3-4 games, someone other than Harbaugh & Co. Maybe 6.
|11 weeks 15 hours ago||Anyone suggesting Harbaugh &||
Anyone suggesting Harbaugh & Co. got outcoached doesn't in reality. OSU's offense was a pedestrian as it possibly could be, and no matter the scheme/adjustment our D got manhandled by an elite OL/QB/RB combo.
OSU is deeper and better at nearly every position on the field, and it showed. Just like against IU, our run stopping defense was all but nonexistent. When your LB's can get off blocks, miss tackles, and are a general liability, you're going to get run the fuck over. When Glasgow was in, it helped and kept the OL off our LB's. Without him, it really doesn't matter because our LB's are completely ineffective.
Scheme and adjustments only go so far, and often times open you up to the counter punch, which we saw. It's sad, but years and years of bad assessment/development isn't going to be solved in one season, no matter the coach.
|11 weeks 16 hours ago||As this is a offense||
As this is a offense snowflake thread, the only thing I can say is offensive line. It confounds me that Indiana has a better OL than Michigan, and we just were bore the brunt of another elite OL.
It's like Hoke & Co. not only didn't develop Olinemen for a shit, but also didn't evaluate them properly either. How is it possible to be so bad a run blocking? So strange.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Thanks!||
|11 weeks 5 days ago||GFYCS! Why do you care dude?||
Why do you care dude?
Serious, get some life coaching, do some yoga, meditate, ommmmmmmmmmmmmm!
I was wanted, and received, the "local" info -- best place, get their early, drinks, food etc. If you don't like it, don't read no post. Jesus H. fucking Christ ... Get the fuck over yourself!
|11 weeks 5 days ago||I DID "look it up" but just||
I DID "look it up" but just wanted to double check in case there might be a place that was the real insider place rather than the one that is most hyped. I'm the opposite of lazy here, I'm being proactive and thorough.
I'll never understand why you, et. al., care so much.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||My little sister lives there.||
My little sister lives there. I've never been -- except the airport -- and am looking forward to it. I live in Austin, and we're in the same fast growth mode here, so I know what you guys are going through.