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|2 days 2 hours ago||You couldn't be more wrong.||
^^^ what this guy said!!!
AA Forever, you couldn't be more wrong. Every team, no matter how elite, loses games. The one thing that elite teams almost never do is get blown out. If every loss Michigan ever has is like the losses this season -- needing only a 1st down/stop to win/OT, I'll take it. Elite teams are in every game they play, they don't beat themselves, and they play until the clock reads 0:00 Coach is right in that these kinds of losses are very important learning/building blocks in championship teams.
|2 days 3 hours ago||You're insufferable ...||
You're insufferable ... always spouting off about accountability, and elite teams and coaches -- all of which you know fuck all about (as the Brits would say). Michigan came out of an historic low, hire a friendly uncle who couldn't develop talent and who squandered two of the most talented players in Michigan history in Denard and Devin. The team of poorly developed players have had the first back to back 10 win seasons since 2003-2004 ... that, by definition, is progress. Nobody holds himself nor his players more accountable than Harbaugh, yet you act as if he's supposed to dismiss himself after every loss because you think he was "out-coached." His job is to put his players into the best possible position to win, and he's done that in almost every contest he's coached at Michigan. It not his fault that there were/are glaring holes in the depth/roster.
Coach talks about not comparing, and I think you should take his advice. Every program and circumstance is different. But if you cannot see the difference in Michigan under Harbaugh and Michigan under Hoke, RR, and even Carr, you're clueless, IMO.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||THIS is exactly what I was||
THIS is exactly what I was talking about when I said that the way OSU stole the game from Michigan would infect the psyche of the Buckeyes. They knew they lost, that they had to be saved by BS reffing. They knew they didn't deserve to be in the semifinal, and no amount of preparation could remove that knowledge. Their performance was indicative of a team who had no self-belief.
Hopefully, this sends the program reeling a bit!
Happy New Year!
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Peppers had been crying, you||
Peppers had been crying, you could see how puffy his eyes were in his interview. It looked to me that he was fighting back tears the entire time. That is NOT the face of a man who sat out the bowl game/possibly his last college game.
|11 weeks 4 hours ago||I've been so hopeful for||
I've been so hopeful for Isaac since he transferred to Michigan, and I've been underwhelmed on almost every carryv he's had save his long TD run vs. UNLV and his TD run vs. Iowa. On almost every other run I've seen him make he sort of lopes along, and seems to lack all aggressiveness. Now, I get that he's faster than he looks, but he just seems kind of apathetic when he runs. The only time I've seen any fire from him was after his TD run vs. Iowa.
I keep hoping that Harbaugh and Wheatley can find his hot button that will get Ty to rage up and run like he's angry and refuse to go down. He seems like he could be so great, but for whatever reason he just won't get over that hump.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||I'll bet if you really dug||
I'll bet if you really dug into it you'd find that there is a lot of "evidence" but it's circumstantial and pushed to the fringes. In re: other coaches wanting to get Cal caught, I don't think they've the time nor resources to make that happen. Further, I'm sure they know their own programs have some skeletons that they'd prefer don't come to the light of day. Then there's "professional courtesy" at play too, I'd imagine. It's a pretty small fraternity of coaches out there relative to the rest of the workforce, and one doesn't want to get the rep as a rat -- look what happened to the whistleblower from PSU!
It's football, but why do you think Carr never came public with what he HAD TO KNOW was going on at OSU under JT? You either keep up or shut up, but you NEVER speak up!
It's amazing how often the things are known but the people don't say anything out of fear.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||This "someone would talk"||
This "someone would talk" meme is one of the major anti-conspiracy theory arguments. The problem is, people DO TALK, all the time. Whatever the issue is, there's always someone somewhere saying the mainstream story is false (and often times the whistleblower has inside knowledge) -- it's just that there's almost always a ready made "shaming network" in place to hammer that raised nail back down.
"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it."
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Crooked coaches, crooked||
Crooked coaches, crooked refs, crooked conferences, crooked NCAA all maintaining this pathetic facade of "amateurism" to hold the moral high ground in maintaining their lucrative fiefdom.
The height of Hypocrisy!
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Interesting comment, for||
Interesting comment, for sure.
I can tell you one thing for certain, there will never be another experience like playing football for Michigan. Heck, just being in college is a fleeting experience that most miss after it's gone. Money is important, especially for a kid who want to provide for his family. I think it's going to be hard for him to walk away from his team, from Michigan knowing the NFL will always be there.
People who say he's 100% gone are being silly. Peppers actually has TWO more season should he want them. If I were betting I'd bet he leaves, but don't underestimate the love of this stage in his life, nor overestimate the next. One is almost over, but there is a page left to be turned, while one has yet to come. His mom can make it one more year, I sure.
Follow your heart Pepp! Follow your heart!
|11 weeks 5 days ago||I think the fact that Gary||
I think the fact that Gary made his way into the DL rotation, considering its quality and depth, is pretty impressive for a true freshman.
|12 weeks 10 hours ago||"he should double down on the||
"he should double down on the criticism of the Big Ten officiating and not let up until they fix it."
Don't back down now! Who give a flying fuck about a $10,000 fine! It's fundamentally unamerican to be told you cannot speak your mind. Besides, why is stating your opinion considered to be "unsportsman like?" This notion that officials are beyond reproach is ludicrous. If the governing bodies want them to be untouchable, put something in place to make sure that they do a better job than they've been doing. Until then, I think every coach should make it a point to comment on EVERY bad call the see, every time they see it.
Officials are the #1 conduit for fixing/infleunceing the outcome of sporting events. Whether it's Olympic boxing matches, NCAA Basketball Tournament games, NBA games, etc., if someone wants to fix a game, pay off the officals. Until someone, and it might as well be Harbaugh, really brings this to a head, nothing is ever going to be done about. Mark Cuban tried with his, "your league is rigged!" stunt, but he seems to have dropped it.
|12 weeks 10 hours ago||I agree with your comments,||
I agree with your comments, Lampuki.
As I said above, I think the refs in The Game came in with a bias for OSU and against Michigan. In such and instance, Harbaugh being Harbaugh is going to make things worse, not better. In hindsight, had Harbaugh recognized this bias as it played out, he might have tried a kinder, gentler tactic with them to get them to come around a bit. To me, Harbaugh threw gas on the fire and it turned into an all out blaze by the end of the game.
|12 weeks 10 hours ago||The difference is that||
The difference is that Harbaugh lashes out at the officials, while Kelly (often times) is seen going purple faced at his PLAYERS. Big difference, IMO.
|12 weeks 10 hours ago||I agree with you that the||
I agree with you that the pro-OSU refs were "fed up with Harbaugh's antics" and THAT is exactly the problem. I have absolutely ZERO doubt that the ref who flagged Harbaugh was just waiting for an explosion to throw a flag. Meaning, he went into the game LOOKING for an opportunity to put Harbaugh in his place. THAT is a problem.
In an ideal world refs would be able to leave their humanity in the locker room and come out of the tunnel like an robot, devoid of biases and emotions, with only a pragmatic eye for the details of the play. Obviously, that's impossible. But, when you hire fan boys to ref games, that's what you get. It's a lot like cops, IMO. Cops are supposed to be level-headed guys whom we entrust to remain calm in the face of adversity. They're NOT supposed to be guys who go out LOOKING for a fight and who are easily provoked.
To give a personal foul without a warning says a lot about where that ref's mind was before Harbaugh's display. So too does the ass-slapping and smiling.
|12 weeks 10 hours ago||If there is one thing that I||
If there is one thing that I think all of us can be certain about is that Harbaugh & Co. will leave no stone unturned in their analysis of this season's failure. Is it possible that this analysis will yield a finding that Harbaugh's sidelines antics ar detrimental to the team because of the way it makes the officials react toward him directly, and how it might make them want to actively call plays against his team? If so, I think he'll make the appropriate changes.
|12 weeks 11 hours ago||Here's the problem, OP. Fans||
Here's the problem, OP.
Fans only see the outward manifestations of what is going on schematically, psychologically, and situationally. Harbaugh is getting a steady stream of information from his coaches in the booth, one the sidelines, the players, and what he sees. All of this information needs to be filtered and a plan needs to be in real time, NOT on film in a UFR, and not while sitting on the sofa with a beer in hand.
Real time, in the heat of the moment, decisions are tough, and Harbaugh has shown as amazing atitude for doing so. I know you seem to want to differ with this, but IMO, the reality of the situation is that Michigan under Harbaugh is 20-5 and in only 2 of those losses -- Utah and OSU in 2015 -- Michigan was one (maybe two) first downs away from winning the game.
The attitude that you express is colored heavily by hindsight, i.e., Michigan lost. But, if Michigan had won those games instead, people would be signing the praises of Harbaugh's hard nosed endgame tactics. Let's imagine for a minute if Harbaugh, like you seem to suggest, decided to get "aggressive" in one of those instances. He drops Speight back to pass when every coaching metric is saying, "run the ball ... burn clock."
As Woody Hayes said, when you pass the ball three things can happen and two of them are bad. Now, when you're trying to salt away the game, the "bad" of the incompletion is EVEN MORE damaging as it stops the clock without forcing the opposition to use a timeout. That's just an incompletion. Imagine and INT, or a sack strip. What do you think fans would be saying then?
The bottom line, as I've said repeatedly in other posts, is that its on the players to make the plays. Block, run, tackle, kick, etc. when the chips are down. If our OL and RB's executed better down the stretch of the Iowa game, we'd likely be in the play off ... same holds true against OSU. Sure, if Harbaugh went "aggressive" it might have payed off. But we had the lead in both games, and one of the best defenses in the nation. I don't see the problem.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||I see ... so why them? That||
I see ... so why them? That doesn't make sense ... unless of course if you're a coincidence therorist. Just happenstance followed by a lack of oversight, right? Is there jet fuel involved?
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Such as? Spoken like a true||
Such as? Spoken like a true Coincidence Therorist! So are you denying that someone either a) set the ref crew intentionally, or b) it was set inadvertently and whomever was in charge of oversight did nothing? Why don't you explain how you think that crew came to ref the game.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||This ^^^People can throw||
People can throw around the "conspiracy theory" monicker as a disparaging remark, but the evidence points to something completely different. Basically, one is left with only two plausible cases, either "conspiracy" or "coincidence." Is it just oversight that the officiating crew for by far and away the biggest B10 game of the year, and perhaps the decade, was the one we got? Did anyone notice? I find that very hard to believe. As such, we're only left with one possibllity. MOST nefarious activities are actually conspiracies, not lone wolf individual actors -- despite what the media portrays. Someone knew that this crew was being assigned -- whether they set it that way or not, who knows? -- and did FUCK ALL about it.
I said the same thing when the B10 announced the reshuffle of the schedules due to the inclusion of Rutger and Maryland. Random draw huh? Michigan goes to MSU twice huh? Yeah sure! Would they have redrawn the lots of it was OSU at Michigan twice in a row? That decision was anything but ramdom and it will continue to have long lasting scheduling ramifications. That was a big FUCK YOU to Dave Brandon.
The Michigan AD needs to do whatever is necessary to rectify that abomination, and to get to the bottom of how the B10 could get that crew on that game. If they don't, why even bother having an AD?
|12 weeks 1 day ago||I'm in Austin ... Big 12||
I'm in Austin ... Big 12 country and I can tell you that the UT faithful feel their conference refs are horrible as well.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||This year will be a perfect||
This year will be a perfect teaching scenario for the Michigan program, and it can be expressed in one simple word/concept:
Harbaugh & Co. put the team in position to win every game, and be in the playoff ... JUST F$&@ING EXECUTE. All this bitching about refs (who sucked), OSU bias, the Committeee, who is in, etc. is all shit!!! The Michigan team has nobody to blame but itself. The plays were there to be made. The teams that were in made the plays when they were there to be made, simple as that.
Maybe it's the left over residue of the previous regime, who knows. But for all this team's talent they sure didn't rise to the occasion versus Iowa and OSU and MAKE THE PLAYS THAT WERE THERE TO BE MADE. If you do that, you don't have to reply upon any other teams or whims of a committee.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Yep! Bigmouthed hindsight||
Yep! Bigmouthed hindsight bias! You nailed it!
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Nice to hear Kirk finally say||
Nice to hear Kirk finally say he thinks the call was wrong ... a week late, but hey, better late than never!
|12 weeks 2 days ago||"They played not to lose and||
"They played not to lose and instead of going out, seizing the game by the balls and winning..."
Sorry dude, but I have to take exception to this "playing not to lose" meme that everyone throws around. There is a common denominator to every single play, no matter if it's conservative or aggressive ... EXECUTION.
Over and over again we saw Harbaugh & Co., down the stretch, give Michigan the chance to make a play that would win the game by making smart, statistically sound play calls -- yet the players did not execute those last few plays. You call that "playing not to lose."
Would you have been happier with aggressive play calling that also failed, say three incomplete passes? What about if one of those was intercepted? Would you be complaining that they should have "run the damn ball!!!" People are pissed because it didn't work, and it didn't work because they plays weren't blocked well enough, or the passes weren't caught, or in the case of OSU, the tackle wasn't made behind the line to gain.
They were tanatalizingly close, but in the end it wasn't to be. Could they coaches have called something different? Sure! Would it have worked? I don't know .. .nobody does. But several things I do know for certain: If the OL and the RB's combine for one 1st down against MSU last year, Iowa this year, and then maybe two more against OSU ... we're 11-2 last year, and likely 12-0 this year.
I fail to see how giving your team the ball, with the lead, and only needing one first down to win is "playing not to lose."
|12 weeks 2 days ago||MAKE PLAYS!This season was||
This season was just a couple of catches, a couple of runs, a couple of tackles, a couple of turnovers away from 12-0, playing in the B10 CG, and likely a CFBP berth.
THE PLAYS WERE THERE TO BE MADE! MAKE PLAYS!
Fans can complain about play calling, game coaching in big games, etc., but the bottom line is, with the exception of last years OSU game, there has not been a game in which Michigan hasn't been a play or two away from winning. It sucks that we lost two, but its still huge progress. At some point though, the players have to make the plays when they're there to be made.
|13 weeks 14 hours ago||This is true. However,||
This is true. However, trying to take the glass half full mindset, finds me pleased with 20-5 in the first two seasons and that in the five losses all but one (2015 OSU) Michigan was literally one first down (or so) away from sealing the win.
Not where we want the end to be, nor where I think it will be, but man is that some positive progress!
|13 weeks 21 hours ago||Yes, the INTs were bad. But,||
Yes, the INTs were bad. But, if we've seen anything from Wilton this year it's that he's pretty conscientious with the ball. The pick 6 was on the OL and was deflected, and the second was on Wilton, but in his defense, the LB slipped right behind the ref.
|13 weeks 22 hours ago||True. One game doesn't mean||
True. One game doesn't mean he's got it figured out. But, compared to anything we've seen versus OSU going back to 2006, Don Brown sure got something right schematically and it showed on the faces of Meyer and JT. I think the days of spread teams running rough shod over Michigan are over. Now, it might not always be like this year as this year was extra special loaded on the DL. But, I think DL will continue to be elite, and with speed upgrades at LB, the defense may well be even BETTER versus the spread in years to come. Although, McCray had a good game from what I saw.
|13 weeks 22 hours ago||QB is fine, despite the||
QB is fine, despite the turnovers yesterday. The second one was on Wilton -- looked like he was blocked by the ref from seeing the LB ... sometime he'll know better as he gains more experience -- but the pick 6 was entirely upon the OL.
All season long, IMO, Wilton has hung tough and showed in the face of pressure. He's pressured because the OL is the weakest link on this team ... still. When the OL blocks at a high level our RB's gash the opposition and our QB throws it all over the lot. Duh, right? The problem is, they seemingly only against avaergae to poor competition. Against MSU, Iowa, and OSU they just aren't there yet.
Nobody has more than 2 seasons under Drevno, and it seems that whatever Funk was teaching them for the three years prior wasn't up to elite OL standards. OL isbsaid to be the longest and toughest developmental cycle, with the most variance between recruiting and actual performance.
All in all, I feel like the defense lived up to expectations time and again, especially against OSU. The offense, however, didn't clock at the most crucial times, but actually exceeded most of my preseason expectations. Much of the downside was OL, while most of the upside was WB -- both were HUGE preseason question marks.
|13 weeks 23 hours ago||This "aggressive vs. vanilla"||
This "aggressive vs. vanilla" meme needs to stop because it's bullshit. Why? Because all Meyer does that you think it so wonderfully aggressive is run JT. The difference is when running a designed QB run they've got an extra blocker. So, both coaches go to the ground (conservative) they just do it a different way. As I see it, the problem has been the Michigan OL -- as much as I hate to say it -- just isn't elite. When the chips were down this season, when we desperately needed just one more first down against Iowa, and just a couple against OSU, they failed to control the LOS. Fans go nuts yelling about play calling, playing not to lose, and vanilla. You don't hear that from Bama fans. You know why? Because when they need to churn out hard on the ground and kill the clock, their OL rises to the occasion.
Amazingly, with just a fraction better OL play this year and last year, Michigan gets that first down against MSU and the punt debacle never happens, they come away with a tough win versu Iowa this season, and very likely leave Columbus with a win on their way to Indy. 3, maybe 4 churn em out first downs, and Michigan is 11-2 last year, and 12-0 this year. Close, but no cigar. When the OL gets where it's going under Harbaugh you'll be signing a different tune. You love the fact we can salt games away and not have to run the risk of passing late in a game.