Sankey: Realignment impacts the CFP and the approach to the expanded playoff should be revisited

Submitted by Amazinblu on August 9th, 2023 at 10:33 AM

Greg Sankey, the SEC Commissioner, spoke with Paul Finebaum yesterday and the topic of the expanded College Football Playoff came up.

Sankey pointed out that recent changes in conference alignment have impacted the landscape and the criteria for selection into the expanded CFP structure should be re-examined.

Here's a link to the article - and, similar articles have been published by The Athletic and ESPN.  

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/sec-commissioner-greg-sankey-wants-to-re-examine-cfp-format-amid-realignment-circumstances-have-changed/

The expanded CFP hasn't even begun - and, the SEC already wants to change it.   My assumption is - Sankey would like to ensure the SEC can place up to 12 teams in the expanded playoff structure.

Thoughts?

Blau

August 9th, 2023 at 11:49 AM ^

Pretty sure the F*ck Sankey remark refers to his not so subtle jab at the conference.

Dude took a direct shot at the B1G as if he wouldn't have done the exact same thing. He actually kind of did do the same thing by taking OU and UT but it just happened they border most of SEC territory. Also is anyone buying his "sadness" over the Pac-12? C'mon, man...

Blau

August 9th, 2023 at 12:14 PM ^

Sorry. My bad.

I thought the OP was referring to a ESPN article published yesterday titled "Greg Sankey feels 'sadness' in realignment, says SEC comfortable in footprint". You can read it yourself but to paraphrase, he feels the SEC doesn't have to span over multiple timezones for viewership as some "other" conferences do. Full of shit, man.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38158929/greg-sankey-sees-sadness-realignment-says-sec-comfortable-footprint

 

Chaco

August 9th, 2023 at 12:50 PM ^

it's a convenient take for Sankey - if (when?) they expand it's likely to be into places they already have a footprint (Clemson, FSU, Miami etc. will be pulled into the fold before..........Boston College or Oregon State).  But if Notre Dame somehow wanted to join the SEC - I suspect he'd be gung ho on that even if it were outside their current footprint.  

Chaco

August 9th, 2023 at 10:43 AM ^

well SEC gonna SEC but he is right that a selection committee that has ties to the Pac-12 for example likely needs to be rethought.  There might be other logical implications of the implosion of the Pac-12 Conference of Champions; I just don't know the specifics well enough to guess.

dragonchild

August 9th, 2023 at 12:13 PM ^

I strongly disagree. Nothing would be more emblematic of the current state of college football than a 3-0 (or even 2-1!) conference champion getting an auto-bid to the CFP. And if that’s not how it works, make it happen.

I’m in full Heath Ledger Joker mode at this point. As long as the powers that be couldn’t care less about the product, any pretense is just enablement.

Piston Blue

August 9th, 2023 at 10:43 AM ^

I think it's logical to re-evaluate the CFP structure in light of recent changes. IIRC, weren't each of the P5 conference champs guaranteed a spot? Now one of those conferences virtually doesn't exist past this season.

The B1G will surely want to secure a more favorable structure to place more of its teams too. Maybe a rule that if your (power) conference has 16+ teams then the top 2 finishers in the conference are guaranteed a spot, but the conference champs are given a first-round bye? This may incentivize the ACC/Big 12 to add teams though, and not sure the SEC plans to do away with divisions after adding Texas/OU.

St Joe Blues

August 9th, 2023 at 10:56 AM ^

Maybe a rule that if your (power) conference has 16+ teams then the top 2 finishers in the conference are guaranteed a spot, but the conference champs are given a first-round bye? 

I haven't heard how the schedule will run for the expanded B1G (maybe the announced it and I missed it), but if they keep divisions then this probably wouldn't be the best option. Last year would have seen Michigan and Purdue as the top 2 finishers as division winners. At least the top 3 teams in the East were better than Purdue, and that was clear from the get-go. But there have been other years when it wasn't so clear, that maybe the top team in the West truly was the 2nd best team in the conference.

BKBlue94

August 9th, 2023 at 11:19 AM ^

Currently the setup is for the top six CFP ranked champions of any conference to be guaranteed a spot. Group of 5 conferences have to love this now as now two of the will get teams in each year.

I don't think there's any need for automatic bids beyond conference champs, the point of that is to reward winning the conference and ensure a Go5 teams gets in. Teams that finish second in the B1G and SEC can and will get in with an at large bid, they don't need an auto-bid set up for them

BuckeyeChuck

August 9th, 2023 at 11:42 AM ^

Yes! Why not continue to allow the 6 automatic bids?...nobody said they had to come from these 5 conferences + 1 from another group of conferences. The 6-best conference champs will get them.

We know that the top 8-10 teams will be in the 12-team CFP, that should be sufficient. We don't need the 12-team playoff to consist of the 12 best teams.

We all love the college basketball tournament that has 68 teams but are not the 68 best teams. We pretty confidently get about the top 50 teams and we throw a bone to the rest. Football can likewise guarantee a spot for the top 8-10 teams and throw a bone to a few other conference champs that worked hard all season to earn what they achieved. Let's give them a CFP road game as a reward.

Piston Blue

August 9th, 2023 at 12:33 PM ^

Replying to say this is the best way forward! Love the idea of including more small schools, so that maybe a Stanford, Cal, WSU, Oregon State are not permanently shut out when they relocate to another conference. Also agree that SEC/B1G 2nd placers don't need an auto-bid.

I'm sure the format will change though because I'm not sure any matchup involving UTSA-adjacent team will generate much money, but the purist in me wants them to have a shot! Unlike the hoops tournament though, the gap between the small/big schools I think is much larger, with the exception of the Tulane/Boise State/UCF caliber teams of past years. Usually there's only 1-2 of those each year and it's 50/50 they're actually as good as they're ranked.

Scout96

August 9th, 2023 at 10:46 AM ^

Instead of guaranteed spots for 6 conference champs, they should immediately reduce it to 5.  It’s possible that by the time it even goes into effect they may have to reduce it again to 4.

Sankey would probably want to be 3 conference champs at most.

DennisFranklinDaMan

August 9th, 2023 at 10:47 AM ^

I think it makes a lot of sense, actually. Depending on how scheduling falls out, it may well be – at the moment – much easier now to get an eye-catching record in the Pac-12 (or whatever) than it was before, and much more difficult to go through the Big 10 (or whatever) undefeated than it was before.

It may not be. It all depends on how scheduling pans out. But (for example) the fact that some teams in the Big 10 now may have to face Michigan and Ohio State and USC and Washington during their conference season, while some teams in the Pac-Whatever may go through a conference season without playing anyone good ... is bound to be reflected in the records, and in how they position themselves for the playoffs.

Eh. I'm not saying it has to change anything. But given how dramatically the landscape of college football has shifted in the past 10 months or so, I don't think revisiting the postseason plan is particularly unreasonable.

 

BlueinPhilly

August 9th, 2023 at 11:01 AM ^

But what can be done about it? It is not possible, nor desirable, to put the money genie back in the bottle (don’t broadcast games like its the 1950’s?).  You can’t blame the schools for chasing TV money that will help them stay competitive and you can’t blame the broadcasters for putting their money where the fan interest is.  You certainly can’t blame the downfall of shamateurism (just made that up, feel free to use).  I don’t think it’s apathy or being ok with it, many are lamenting the downfall of the Pac-12, but even if you could, why would you prop up a failing and unsustainable enterprise?

Vasav

August 9th, 2023 at 11:25 AM ^

Was it really unsustainable, or even truly failing though? It's one thing to go after the money - it's another thing to wring every dollar you can out of an enterprise, and then squeeze out other successful enterprises so you can wring a bit more - which is what the Big Ten did with the LA schools. The Pac12 had been together, in various names and forms but with those teams, for 108 years. How is that unsustainable or unsuccessful? Their schools made enough money on football to have 3 bona fide contenders/championship programs over the last 35 years - Washington, Oregon and USC - and were about 2 minutes in the 1996 Rose Bowl away from adding Arizona State to that list too. They also used that money to have some of the best women's sports programs in the world - which I certainly care about, especially when the USA is going for gold better than any other country is.

What we're seeing is a failure of leadership - because there is no central leadership. This used to be good - it allowed the Wazzus and Texas Techs of this world to exist and occasionally thrive. But now it's squeezing them out as if they're competitors, rather than partners/franchises. And so in my mind, the solution is to have some dang leadership. And the CFP seems a perfect venue for this.

BlueinPhilly

August 9th, 2023 at 12:11 PM ^

In the modern environment it is unsustainable.  The contract with Apple the Pac-12 was trying to sell their members was going to give the teams a quarter of what BIG10/SEC teams were making—so how is that sustainable?  This isn’t 1996 and it isn’t even 2016. The Pac-12 would’ve become the Mountain West as far as recruiting/coaching/AD salaries/ updated facilities in football/basketball etc. (and to prop up the revenue generating sports they probably would have to cut non-revenue sports).  Can’t blame Oregon and UW for bailing on that—its self preservation.  But again, what is the solution? How is leadership going to change the economic reality on the ground.  Revenue sharing? Good luck getting the B10 and SEC to agree to that.

snarling wolverine

August 9th, 2023 at 12:19 PM ^

The Pac12 had been together, in various names and forms but with those teams, for 108 years.

This isn't quite true.  Two of the earliest members of the conference were Montana and Idaho, but they were jettisoned in a 1950s realignment.

And of course the Arizona schools (1970s) and Colorado/Utah were later additions. 

Blarvey

August 9th, 2023 at 12:46 PM ^

The Wazzus and Texas Techs will be better off. They will be in conferences they can be competitive in and will still have a place in the playoff if they excel. Remember when we used to complain because the bowls left the NC undecided? Remember how the BCS was faulty because it only took the top two teams? We may be getting to a point where the UCFs and San Diego States have a realistic path to a NC.

Any AD will look at the other conferences revenue and find a way to get the most and every conference has to find what best positions it for that money and its future. Tradition has been lost, for sure but technology and the scope of the game has changed dramatically. Some may not like it but many or most schools were independents until the 90s and then shuffled around since then. It has always changed.

DiploMan

August 9th, 2023 at 11:56 AM ^

My overriding (and half-baked) thought is that governance of college sports will continue to devolve until a way is found to put the sports themselves back in charge of writing the rules (of how the game is played, how long the season should be, what a fair & representative playoff should look like, transfer rules, recruiting rules, etc).  In effect a re-invention of the NCAA, but with a firewall between financial interests and the interests of the sports themselves.  I'm thinking of governing councils of each sport composed of some balanced collection of former coaches and former players (to ensure that rule changes are in keeping with the spirit of the sport), unaffiliated educators (to ensure that student athletes remain students), and perhaps non-athlete student representatives (for in-person fan perspective).  There could be ex-officio participation by representatives of universities and broadcasters, who could offer advice on implications of rule changes, but wouldn't have voting power because of their financial interests.

Right now it's powerful protected entities (market entry as a university or broadcast network is nearly insurmountable), motivated by individual financial (not sport-related) interests, making rules in which the athletes and fans have virtually no input.  It reminds me of Game of Thrones.

crg

August 9th, 2023 at 12:38 PM ^

I will always push back against those that defend universities chasing sports/network revenue (or saying that the schools "must" do such things).  Why?  The answer is simple: the schools do not truly "need" the money from the revenue sports, which is borne out in several observations:  First, most universities in this country (not merely the FBS schools) generate no net revenue from their athletic departments - they are instead subsidized by the greater university (which puts undue strain on the *purpose* of those universities - which is academic education.)  One could argue that demonstrates a need for sporting revenue, but that leads to the second observation: those schools that *do* have substantial net revenue for the athletic departments do not use much (if any) of that revenue to promote the mission of the university - which, again, is the academics.  There may be small uses that *nominally* are promoted as being "for academic purposes" - namely the subsidization of scholarships for student-athletes - but this is still serving the interests of the athletic departments rather the schools' academic purpose at large (and we won't even broach the subject of schools giving financial preference to students for aspects that have nothing to do with their academic abilities).  Almost all of the "revenue" from the university sports is dumped right back into the athletic departments - which is why we have coaches (public employees) making 7-8 figures per year while schools are trimming back on lecturers, staff & faculty due to budget cuts; why we have schools spending hundreds of millions on pro-sport caliber stadiums/arenas/training facilities (often only used a handful of times per semester, if that) while educational labs and lecture halls have outdated and failing equipment; why we have some student-athletes being given every advantage at school (from tutoring to stipends to hotel-level accommodations and other perks) while most students struggle to cover their bills while in school and graduate years in debt.

But as long as people are entertained and companies can still advertise during it, this is "ok".

BlueinPhilly

August 9th, 2023 at 1:08 PM ^

And schools do not truly "need" to compete for national championships in football/basketball.  Sure, if you want to be a plucky school that hits on a once in a generation QB/defense/coach combo and makes it to the playoffs every twenty years or so (Cincinnati being the only example so far) only to be blown out by the Alabamas of the world, that is a choice the school can make.  My guess is most Michigan fans (and OU and UW fans) want to be the Alabamas of the CFB world, not the Cincinnatis.  The only way to do that is by staying competitive in broadcasting revenues which fund recruiting/facilities/competitive salaries.  I think you are arguing how things should be and I largely agree with you.  But to quote Marlo Stanfield, "you want it to be one way, but it's the other way."  

BlueinPhilly

August 9th, 2023 at 1:26 PM ^

Maybe in non-revenue athletics, though I have my doubts there as well given the NIL money flowing into women's basketball and gymnastics.  In football, I think what you are looking for is some kind of revenue sharing/salary cap (but for coaching salaries and facility/recruiting spending) and I just don't see that happening any time soon.  As long as the money is out there, some schools will take it and those schools will have an extreme competitive advantage--not necessarily in one season (Texas A&M is Ex. A) but definitely over a period of years.    

pescadero

August 9th, 2023 at 12:47 PM ^

...but college sports have almost always been about money.

 

The very first intercollegiate sports competition - was run as advertising to draw tourists to Lake Winnipesaukee, and both sides used paid ringers who weren't students at their universities.

mwolverine1

August 9th, 2023 at 10:50 AM ^

If the 12 team format was in place last year, and teams were aligned with their expected 2024 conferences (which includes leaving a 4 team Pac as is), the playoff teams would be as follows (with the very large assumption that teams' rankings would remain unchanged):

  1. Georgia (SEC champ)
  2. Michigan (B1G champ)
  3. TCU (B12 champ)
  4. Clemson (ACC champ)
  5. Ohio St (at-large)
  6. Alabama (at-large)
  7. Tennessee (at-large)
  8. Utah (at-large)
  9. Kansas St (at-large)
  10. USC (at-large)
  11. Oregon St (PAC champ)
  12. Tulane (AAC champ)

This actually wouldn't be bad, but I suspect the new rules will reduce the # of guaranteed conference champs to 5 from 6 and make the PAC (if unchanged) ineligible for one of the conference champion slots.

bronxblue

August 9th, 2023 at 10:56 AM ^

The problem is that you can't be considered a conference without at least 6 teams, so a Pac-4 would need to grab a couple more teams to even get that number.  So yeah, if Pac-4 becomes the Pac-6 with, I don't know, SDSU and Boise, then by all means have that discussion but until then this mostly reads like an SEC guy presuming that freaking OIe Miss should be considered for an at-large spot because they went 4-4 in the conference where it just means more.

Blue@LSU

August 9th, 2023 at 10:50 AM ^

Well, he's probably not wrong. I don't doubt that his motivations are to get more SEC teams into the playoffs, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have a point.

Blinkin

August 9th, 2023 at 10:56 AM ^

Unfortunately, the best "product" version of a 12 team playoff will include the maximum plausible amount of SEC and B1G teams.  Let's be real, the 4th best B1G team and the 4th best SEC team are probably going to be better teams (and facing tougher SOS) than the champions of the PAC or AAC as they will stand in 2024.  

So yeah, you have to re-think it a bit because it's foolish to pretend the conferences are equals.  The SEC and B1G are equals, or damn near close enough that it makes no difference.  But then there's a noticeable gap to the ACC, another gap to the Big XII, and then a precipitous plummet into a coal mine underneath the seafloor to the AAC and PAC remnants.  

Tex_Ind_Blue

August 9th, 2023 at 10:51 AM ^

Does any other conference commissioner have regular talk show appearances like this? A pretty useful tool to control the narrative and guide the discussion.

 

bronxblue

August 9th, 2023 at 10:51 AM ^

Sankey is a guy who was born 15 feet from home base and thought he hit an in-the-park home run, so none of this surprises me. 

He doesn't really say anything in the blurb from the article but I also don't get what his point is - the current CFP allows for the Pac-12 to get an auto-bid but if that conference doesn't exist then they'll just revert to (I presume) another at-large spot.  If he's somehow thinking that the auto-bid spot should go to, I don't know, the loser of the SEC championship game then he might as well say it but, realistically, that's likely to be a team in the top 12.  So it's mostly bluster but also not a huge shock.

mGrowOld

August 9th, 2023 at 10:52 AM ^

Honest question, what's the point of having conferences anymore?  It used to be they represented similar schools from a relatively small geographic region of the country.  Now it's whoever has a big enough TV audience, regardless of their location, if welcome to join one of the two blue bloods.

I'm sorry but this is beyond ridiculous.

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