Woodson2

November 29th, 2014 at 10:11 AM ^

RR is an elite coach. If he stays in one place for a long period of time he continues to show he is in the class with the best of the best coaches. This idea that we now need someone who is special and above RR is silly. He was the upper echelon we were looking for and that's the humor in this situation. We gave an incompetent coach more time than a high quality coach.That's why this coaching search is important. If we have a quality coach that has bumps in the road at first you can't just throw them out in 3 years. Of course the situation they come into will be much better than the situation RR inherited here but the point remains.

We will not get anyone better than RR, maybe similar like a Jim Harbaugh but you don't really realize how good of a coach RR is.  RR is a coach in the mold of Chip Kelly, he is an innovator and will win with even decent players. His Arizona squad is not even near being rebuilt and they just won the PAC south. Maybe when he wins a national title at Arizona people will quit talking about fit and realize that the guy can flat out coach period. RR brings in JUCO players when they are highly skilled. There is absolutely nothing wrong with JUCO players if they can play. A lot of teams bring in JUCO players and some of them go on to play in the NFL. Talent is talent, RR knows talent and sees talent better than most. That's why he has found plenty of 2 and 3 star players who blossomed into stars. He knows the game period.

hazardc

November 28th, 2014 at 7:55 PM ^

As "vincicated" as I feel about my thoughts of  Richrod being the coach we really needed, one who was stifled in ann arbor, and my doubs about Hoke from the beginning.... 

 

.....This is the shitiest "vindication" I've ever felt. 

 

 

 

hazardc

November 28th, 2014 at 7:57 PM ^

Other than that, Go Cats.

 

I feel like I have a team to root for right now. Fuck it, I like the guy.  Just like I have been following Harbaugh at Stanford/SanFran.

 

I would love to see them plow over Oregon for the third time in a row....  What the fuck does Arizona have to do to be ranked higher than a team they already fucking beat?

 

hazardc

November 28th, 2014 at 7:59 PM ^

What's the reaction going to be if they get into the playoffs?

 

 

 

 

 


BTW, can the RR haters who say "he just wasn't a good fit here" please shut up from now until the end of fucking time?

 

 

KC Wolve

November 28th, 2014 at 8:02 PM ^

Ok, so I get it, it just didn't work here for various reasons, but can some explain how he is winning with young players. I mean, that is impossible I have been told.

hazardc

November 28th, 2014 at 8:07 PM ^

Hoke never had a great track record if you actually look at it... He had a f'n CAKEWALK with recruiting people in an OHIO MAC SCHOOL, because he was Lloyd's little "special" coach.  How hard was it for him to recruit a grea MAC class when he could just show his resume and mention he was a coach at Michigan when Michigan was a dominant program? 

 

The longer he coached, the more exposed he was, even before coming to Ann Arbor, it was obvious his prior success was just riding the coat tails of how easy he had it when he got his first HC position. He was ALREADY in over his head before getting hired in Michigan.

 

 

Hoke was like a spoiled child who was special ed and had everythign handed to him.  RR is almost on Harbaugh's level when it comes to intellect, and I really think it's going to show even more as the years go on. 

HollywoodHokeHogan

November 28th, 2014 at 8:09 PM ^

Can we please just delete shit like this? It's trolling. It serves no purpose but to start flame wars. Will we have a posts like this if Hoke has another SDSU season somewhere too? RR is doing well. Good for him. He did poorly at Michigan. Bad for us. Oh well, that was years ago. Let it go.



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smwilliams

November 28th, 2014 at 8:12 PM ^

I'm happy for Rich Rod, he seems like a generally good guy and great offensive mind who made one fatal mistake: not bringing Jeff Casteel along for the ride.

FEI ranks in D:

2007: #8

2008: #44

2009: #60

2010: #109

2012: #68

2013: #19

2014: #33

Outside of the 2012 Arizona defense, every single one of Rich Rod's D (and I'd wager his WVU defenses before 2007 were in the Top 40 as well) beat his best Michigan unit. Nobody made him run the 3-3-5 with guys who didn't know the scheme. 

Eye of the Tiger

November 28th, 2014 at 8:26 PM ^

There's also this thing called "learning from mistakes." Congrats to RR for the big win and making the PAC-12 title game. I like him and really wish it had worked out there. But the roadmap wasn't promising--for us with him at that exact point in time and space.



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hazardc

November 28th, 2014 at 8:28 PM ^

One word: Casteel

 

 

 

BTW:  What makes Hoke "likable?"  Because he looks like the guy who bags your groceries? Because he always has a child-like smile on his face?  Because you feel empathy for his ineptitude? I really don't get it. 

 

 

Steve in PA

November 28th, 2014 at 8:28 PM ^

We aren't from here but I quickly learned that if you're not from here...you're an idiot.  They may as well put a wall up around the school district because if you're an outsider they don't want your opinion or to change things.

The school district hadn't been to the football playoffs in over a decade when they hired a new coach.  He turned the program around and took them to the playoffs in 3 years.  Several of his players were on all area teams and were getting offers to play college ball.

He's a teacher about 45 minutes away and was commuting down after school.  Several jobs in the district opened up and even though he was qualified he didn't get the job.  They did go to former students or famiy.

After making the playoffs he was fired and replaced by a former coach who also has lived here his whole life.  They haven't won more than 3 games in a season since.  The team he went to has made the playoffs every year since except for his first.

My son says "Thank goodness they got rid of that coach.  They might have won if they kept him" with sarcasm.

 

*my son opted to go to private school after his freshman year.

hfhmilkman

November 28th, 2014 at 8:43 PM ^

The reason why it is worth while to debate if R^2 should have been fired or not or whether he got a bum deal is there is a very real chance that we do not get Harbaugh and our remaining choices will be outsiders who will have no former ties to the program.  It is possible that many of the individuals who ran R^2 out of town are still in positions of power.  The could be former players, former coaches, current doners to the University or the Athletic Department, members of the Athletic Department, or even members of the University proper.  R^2 may have learned mistakes.  But it sounds like there is a very real possbility we have not.  

chatster

November 28th, 2014 at 9:05 PM ^

There may have been other reasons why Rich Rodriguez couldn't succeed as Michigan's head football coach, but I believe that his most egregious mistake (or e-"GERG"-ious mistake, if you like) was in trading a reasonably good defensive coordinator who went on to do fairly well as a defensive coordinator (at a school where football's importance now pales in comparison to basketball and lacrosse) for a re-“GERG”-itated incompetent who had been the worst head coach/co-defensive coordinator in Syracuse football history.  Bringing “Gerg The Program Killer” to Michigan hastened Rich Rodriguez's exit from Michigan.
 
The graduation rate for Rich Rodriguez’s players might not have been very good when compared to his successor, and he apparently alienated former players and influential alumni.  He also had a volatile temper that might have rubbed many of his players the wrong way.  But he knew how to channel that volatile temper into an explosive offense.
 
If (a) he’d never brought about the “Gergian Error” at Michigan, (b) he’d been able to find a reasonably competent defensive coordinator for 2009 and 2010, and (c) he’d also discovered that academics are more important at Michigan than at West Virginia (ranked by US News as the 168th best national university*), so that he needed to get additional help to make sure that ALL of his athletes would be able to graduate, Rich Rodriguez still might be coaching in Ann Arbor.
 
*  In the latest US News rankings, Arizona is rated the 121st best national university.  Michigan is currently ranked 29th, and that might be why President Schlissel wants to focus on bringing Michigan’s US News ranking closer to where the Michigan's gymnastics, swimming and diving, softball and men’s basketball teams have been ranked in recent seasons.

TruBluMich

November 28th, 2014 at 9:52 PM ^

Good for him, to bad he was the worst coach in the history of Michigan football.  He might still have a job here instead of having to go somewhere else to redeem his failures.

Cordera89

November 28th, 2014 at 9:57 PM ^

This is getting out of hand, This far by the best season that RR has ever have. 10-2 overall and victory over his rival ASU. For some there are glad that he winning and making to the conference title game. While some are still agaisnt him for no other reason, still bring up his horrible year at michigan. Well this is slapping michigan face right about now.

From 15-22 in three year at michigan

To 26-12 in three year at arizona.

That said alot.

Blue Ninja

November 28th, 2014 at 10:01 PM ^

At Ball State, Hoke had 2 winning seasons out of 6. Ball State has since replicated that success by going 10-3 just in 2013. Perhaps we should hire that coach! In fact they even went 9-4 in 2012, this year they are pathetic at 5-7, oh wait that'll be Brady's record as well. Like most MAC schools once a coach has been there a couple of years and they have their players and system in place they find success. It wasn't until his 5th year at Ball State that Hoke had success there, could the same be true here?

Don't care to know, it's time to move on.

Including all Brady's coaching stops, he's had 6 losing seasons including 2014 and 6 winning seasons (although 2013 hardly felt like winning).  Like I said, he's an average coach. Instead of winning championships every other year or few years he might win one once every 5-6 years and forget about a NC.

All that said, congrats to RR. While in the end it was time for him to go it just felt like he never got a real fair shake here at least after the Toledo loss. Glad to see he's having some success where the fan base, alumni and team are behind him.

Had he been a little less stubborn (shades of Hoke!) and less inclined to shoot himself in the foot RR could very well have succeeded here. The primary problem was the D-coordinator as others have stated. No matter, once Brandon was brought in his days were numbered and his goose was cooked.

So when's Harbaugh coming?

Manbaugh

November 28th, 2014 at 10:13 PM ^

It vindicated the poison of the "Michigan Man" argument and how that mindset must go before the program can move on to better things. In a non-traditional football market, Rich Rod has built a winner and looks to be on the cusp of great things. With that said....

The RR-Michigan marriage was never going to work. It was toxic from the beginning and it killed me because I was thrilled with the hire. For a brief two seasons, we got a glimpse of an exciting offense and one that could do amazing things. I wonder how Devin Gardner's career would have changed had Rich Rod still been here. 

It also cannot be ignored that Rich Rod made glaring errors (DC, vendetta, anger managment, the Bust) and that didn't earn him any friends. 

Hopefully, the MIchigan brass are taking copious notes and go the right course.