November 29th, 2014 at 1:02 AM ^
What the fuck was there to gut? Sheridan and Threet were the QBs for Pete's sake. Michigan had one back worth a damn and the secondary was a mess.
November 29th, 2014 at 10:11 AM ^
RR is an elite coach. If he stays in one place for a long period of time he continues to show he is in the class with the best of the best coaches. This idea that we now need someone who is special and above RR is silly. He was the upper echelon we were looking for and that's the humor in this situation. We gave an incompetent coach more time than a high quality coach.That's why this coaching search is important. If we have a quality coach that has bumps in the road at first you can't just throw them out in 3 years. Of course the situation they come into will be much better than the situation RR inherited here but the point remains.
We will not get anyone better than RR, maybe similar like a Jim Harbaugh but you don't really realize how good of a coach RR is. RR is a coach in the mold of Chip Kelly, he is an innovator and will win with even decent players. His Arizona squad is not even near being rebuilt and they just won the PAC south. Maybe when he wins a national title at Arizona people will quit talking about fit and realize that the guy can flat out coach period. RR brings in JUCO players when they are highly skilled. There is absolutely nothing wrong with JUCO players if they can play. A lot of teams bring in JUCO players and some of them go on to play in the NFL. Talent is talent, RR knows talent and sees talent better than most. That's why he has found plenty of 2 and 3 star players who blossomed into stars. He knows the game period.
November 28th, 2014 at 7:55 PM ^
As "vincicated" as I feel about my thoughts of Richrod being the coach we really needed, one who was stifled in ann arbor, and my doubs about Hoke from the beginning....
.....This is the shitiest "vindication" I've ever felt.
November 28th, 2014 at 7:57 PM ^
Other than that, Go Cats.
I feel like I have a team to root for right now. Fuck it, I like the guy. Just like I have been following Harbaugh at Stanford/SanFran.
I would love to see them plow over Oregon for the third time in a row.... What the fuck does Arizona have to do to be ranked higher than a team they already fucking beat?
November 28th, 2014 at 8:19 PM ^
Are you seriously suggesting that a two loss team should be ranked ahead of a one loss team?
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What's the reaction going to be if they get into the playoffs?
BTW, can the RR haters who say "he just wasn't a good fit here" please shut up from now until the end of fucking time?
November 28th, 2014 at 8:18 PM ^
Different expectations and pressure.
November 28th, 2014 at 8:48 PM ^
Arizona isn’t Michigan.
Sadly, you're right. Arizona is good at football.
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Hoke never had a great track record if you actually look at it... He had a f'n CAKEWALK with recruiting people in an OHIO MAC SCHOOL, because he was Lloyd's little "special" coach. How hard was it for him to recruit a grea MAC class when he could just show his resume and mention he was a coach at Michigan when Michigan was a dominant program?
The longer he coached, the more exposed he was, even before coming to Ann Arbor, it was obvious his prior success was just riding the coat tails of how easy he had it when he got his first HC position. He was ALREADY in over his head before getting hired in Michigan.
Hoke was like a spoiled child who was special ed and had everythign handed to him. RR is almost on Harbaugh's level when it comes to intellect, and I really think it's going to show even more as the years go on.
November 28th, 2014 at 8:17 PM ^
While he was never qualified to be Michigan's coach I think he did a legitimately good job at BSU. He is a MAC-level coach. That's what he is.
I don't understand why you feel the need to insult the man. Calling him a "spoiled special ed child" is really reprehensible.
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I'm happy for Rich Rod, he seems like a generally good guy and great offensive mind who made one fatal mistake: not bringing Jeff Casteel along for the ride.
FEI ranks in D:
2007: #8
2008: #44
2009: #60
2010: #109
2012: #68
2013: #19
2014: #33
Outside of the 2012 Arizona defense, every single one of Rich Rod's D (and I'd wager his WVU defenses before 2007 were in the Top 40 as well) beat his best Michigan unit. Nobody made him run the 3-3-5 with guys who didn't know the scheme.
November 28th, 2014 at 8:32 PM ^
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November 28th, 2014 at 8:28 PM ^
One word: Casteel
BTW: What makes Hoke "likable?" Because he looks like the guy who bags your groceries? Because he always has a child-like smile on his face? Because you feel empathy for his ineptitude? I really don't get it.
November 28th, 2014 at 9:39 PM ^
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He didn't win here. He will get fired. That ends it.
But you personalize it. Why? It's a football game.He, like RR, did not set out to fail. This hurts him as it hurt RR more than anyone on here can imagine.
Contrary to what people think I pitied RR and I pity Hoke. Both are good men who failed. It happens.
November 28th, 2014 at 8:28 PM ^
We aren't from here but I quickly learned that if you're not from here...you're an idiot. They may as well put a wall up around the school district because if you're an outsider they don't want your opinion or to change things.
The school district hadn't been to the football playoffs in over a decade when they hired a new coach. He turned the program around and took them to the playoffs in 3 years. Several of his players were on all area teams and were getting offers to play college ball.
He's a teacher about 45 minutes away and was commuting down after school. Several jobs in the district opened up and even though he was qualified he didn't get the job. They did go to former students or famiy.
After making the playoffs he was fired and replaced by a former coach who also has lived here his whole life. They haven't won more than 3 games in a season since. The team he went to has made the playoffs every year since except for his first.
My son says "Thank goodness they got rid of that coach. They might have won if they kept him" with sarcasm.
*my son opted to go to private school after his freshman year.
November 28th, 2014 at 8:43 PM ^
I think it's pretty much an obvious fact that firing Rich Rod was a mistake. He's a top 5 coach in the NCAA.
November 28th, 2014 at 8:43 PM ^
The reason why it is worth while to debate if R^2 should have been fired or not or whether he got a bum deal is there is a very real chance that we do not get Harbaugh and our remaining choices will be outsiders who will have no former ties to the program. It is possible that many of the individuals who ran R^2 out of town are still in positions of power. The could be former players, former coaches, current doners to the University or the Athletic Department, members of the Athletic Department, or even members of the University proper. R^2 may have learned mistakes. But it sounds like there is a very real possbility we have not.
November 28th, 2014 at 8:58 PM ^
The main question is to say. Was michigan AD David Brandon was going to allow RR to fix defense is what you should be saying.
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November 28th, 2014 at 9:40 PM ^
RR always let our arch-arival open a can of whoop-ass on us.
November 28th, 2014 at 9:47 PM ^
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Good for him, to bad he was the worst coach in the history of Michigan football. He might still have a job here instead of having to go somewhere else to redeem his failures.
November 28th, 2014 at 9:58 PM ^
Who fault was that made him the worst coach in michigan history. Inner circle of michigan.
November 28th, 2014 at 9:57 PM ^
This is getting out of hand, This far by the best season that RR has ever have. 10-2 overall and victory over his rival ASU. For some there are glad that he winning and making to the conference title game. While some are still agaisnt him for no other reason, still bring up his horrible year at michigan. Well this is slapping michigan face right about now.
From 15-22 in three year at michigan
To 26-12 in three year at arizona.
That said alot.
November 28th, 2014 at 9:58 PM ^
Did you mean at Arizona?
November 29th, 2014 at 7:25 AM ^
you are such a petty, butthurt little man.
Grow the fuck up and quit arguing with everybody.
November 28th, 2014 at 10:01 PM ^
At Ball State, Hoke had 2 winning seasons out of 6. Ball State has since replicated that success by going 10-3 just in 2013. Perhaps we should hire that coach! In fact they even went 9-4 in 2012, this year they are pathetic at 5-7, oh wait that'll be Brady's record as well. Like most MAC schools once a coach has been there a couple of years and they have their players and system in place they find success. It wasn't until his 5th year at Ball State that Hoke had success there, could the same be true here?
Don't care to know, it's time to move on.
Including all Brady's coaching stops, he's had 6 losing seasons including 2014 and 6 winning seasons (although 2013 hardly felt like winning). Like I said, he's an average coach. Instead of winning championships every other year or few years he might win one once every 5-6 years and forget about a NC.
All that said, congrats to RR. While in the end it was time for him to go it just felt like he never got a real fair shake here at least after the Toledo loss. Glad to see he's having some success where the fan base, alumni and team are behind him.
Had he been a little less stubborn (shades of Hoke!) and less inclined to shoot himself in the foot RR could very well have succeeded here. The primary problem was the D-coordinator as others have stated. No matter, once Brandon was brought in his days were numbered and his goose was cooked.
So when's Harbaugh coming?
November 28th, 2014 at 10:02 PM ^
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It vindicated the poison of the "Michigan Man" argument and how that mindset must go before the program can move on to better things. In a non-traditional football market, Rich Rod has built a winner and looks to be on the cusp of great things. With that said....
The RR-Michigan marriage was never going to work. It was toxic from the beginning and it killed me because I was thrilled with the hire. For a brief two seasons, we got a glimpse of an exciting offense and one that could do amazing things. I wonder how Devin Gardner's career would have changed had Rich Rod still been here.
It also cannot be ignored that Rich Rod made glaring errors (DC, vendetta, anger managment, the Bust) and that didn't earn him any friends.
Hopefully, the MIchigan brass are taking copious notes and go the right course.
November 29th, 2014 at 12:56 AM ^
Devin Garder was the #5 QB recruit in the country. I think with some stability he would have done just fine.
The Michigan man poison is alive and well... who did we hire?