The Mad Hatter

March 11th, 2016 at 8:39 AM ^

how in the fuck anyone sleeps with a CPAP mask on and a machine running next to the bed.  I'd be hitting the vodka and ambien pretty hard before bed if I had to wear one of those things.

Wolverine In Iowa 68

March 11th, 2016 at 9:20 AM ^

newer machines are quiet.  My dad has to use one, and when he's in town sleeping over with us, you can't hear it.  I sleep with a fan on for white noise, it's similar.  If you're one who needs absolute quiet, it would be an issue.

 

As for sleeping with a mask strapped to your face, I agree, that is something I would have a hard time with too, personally.

 

But when the alternative is potential suffocation and death....

TrueBlue2003

March 11th, 2016 at 11:15 AM ^

uses a CPAP and LOVES it.  He hadn't had a good nights sleep in 20 years, going through ilfe like a zombie.  Straps that thing on now and is out cold for a good 6-7 straight hours and can't rememeber feeling better during the daytime.  When you have sleep apnea, and the solution is as simple as getting used to a mask, you get used to that thing pretty quickly.

Hannibal.

March 11th, 2016 at 8:41 AM ^

Sleep apnea at the age of 20.  Damn that sucks.  It's only going to get worse.  Unless he has an obvious anatomical problem that can be corrected with surgery, the poor guy is going to need to lug a CPAP with him everywhere he goes for the rest of his life unless another new method comes out of the blue. 

Michigan Eaglet

March 11th, 2016 at 8:44 AM ^

I know a few of my friends have sleep apnea and I'm pretty sure you can die from it if it goes unchecked and you need to address it as soon as you discover it. The symptoms usually start with just feeling really groggy or like you aren't getting a good night's sleep.

Space Coyote

March 11th, 2016 at 10:19 AM ^

At the time, perhaps, I was lucky because I simply didn't know better. That was just how I slept. So it likely had little perceived impact on me at the time. But when I got into college and actually started sleeping better, it was clear how much easier it is to function on a daily basis.  While I don't think that is "sleep apnea", the symptoms are similar.

There were times in high school where it took essentially all my will power just to get up and get going, especially before practices and warm-ups (I'm not sure it ever directly impacted me during games because of adrenaline). But if you aren't practicing to the best of your ability and not warming up as well as you'd like, you can see how it'd have an impact.

Unfortunately, I think sleep apnea or trouble sleeping is not completely uncommon with students, and particularly, student athletes. They're in a very high stress environment between their sport and school. 

I have a friend that has sleep apnea. His wife said it was one of the most terrifying things the first time she witnessed it, when he essentially stopped breathing for about a minute. He wears a mask thing and is fairly used to it I guess, but it's a pretty crazy thing.

bigstu

March 11th, 2016 at 8:45 AM ^

I suffered from sleep apnea for 10 years before my wife finally made me go see a sleep doctor.  After a short survey with him, they ordered a sleep test.  After 2 hours of the sleep test, my nurse came in and said "Yeah you have sleep apnea, not the worst but its pretty bad".  She put the sleep apnea mask on and I slept for 5 more hours after that.  When she woke me up, I felt like I could run a marathon.  She told me that I held my breath 3-4 times a minute and never went into REM sleep.  Basically, every time I laid down to sleep for the past 10 years could have been my last.  Sleep apnea is a killer and you never get real sleep.  I have been wearing the mask for 8 months now and I am a different person.  I am happier and more rested.  I feel like a 16 year old again.  If Doyle suffers from this, it would explain his play.  If any of you even think that you have apnea, please go see your doctor.  It will save your life.  

superstringer

March 11th, 2016 at 8:52 AM ^

Same story. As I put on weight over the years, it got worse. Wife and kids couldnt sleep because of the sounds I made. When I got up in the am, it was like I had no rest--or worse. Bed was something I dread each night. Driving to work was an exercise in not falling asleep at the wheel--not always successful. I would fall asleep in front of clients or on confeence calls. It affected EVERTHING.

I did the sleep test and now have a CPAC and it changed everything. (Also lost 40-50 lbs and that has helped a lot too.). An actual good night of sleep--for me and the family. Wide awake at work etc. Sure the CPAC is a bit clunky and not exactly sexy, but its like insulin. If you need it, you NEED it.



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BuckNekked

March 11th, 2016 at 9:12 AM ^

I know they say Sleep Apnea could lead to death but have you ever heard of anyone in your life where the cause of death was Sleep Apnea? Or is it possible that they make an absolute killing off these machines and tests so the narrative becomes Sleep Apnea is a killer?

Im not trying to belittle your problem and Im glad that you sleep and therefore feel better. But Im still skeptical.

tf

March 11th, 2016 at 9:35 AM ^

As I understand it, sleep apnea doesn't cause death, it causes/contributes to conditions (like stroke or cardiac arrest) that cause death.  As such, I don't think you'll ever hear of somebody whose cause of death was sleep apnea.  If you want examples of people whose deaths were strongly linked to problems caused or exacerbated by sleep apnea, off the top of my head I'll give you Kirby Puckett and Reggie White.

tf

March 11th, 2016 at 5:03 PM ^

I think I stand corrected.  I'd swear I recall hearing and reading that sleep apnea was implicated in Kirby's demise.  It makes sense -- as big as he got, I can't imagine he didn't have sleep apnea.  However, when I looked for the links, I found nothing credible, just some forum posts (like mine).  As such, I'll say off the top of my head the one person I can recall whose death was linked to sleep apnea was Reggie White (I did find substantial documentation for that).

MGoStretch

March 11th, 2016 at 9:44 AM ^

I had a buddy growing up who's dad passed away from sleep apnea while we were in middle school. Otherwise healthy dude, just stopped breathing and didn't wake up. Even without that risk, the stories from this post seem pretty standard (spent years feeling like crap, got diagnosed, then felt like a superhero after a good night's sleep). I don't think the cpap folks could ask for much better advertising than that.

superstringer

March 11th, 2016 at 9:58 AM ^

I bet many traffic accidents are caused by people with sleep apnia.  You tend to fall asleep in the middle of the day because your body is so tired -- sitting in one spot, comfortable temperature, soft sounds... falling asleep at the wheel is a very common problem.

The strain all the snoring puts on your body, too.  You wake up feeling like you've been working out.  Think of it from an energy perspective:  all the noise of the snoring, that uses up energy.  Has to come from someplace.  You are literally draining your body.

Finally, sleep is a critical part of all living tissue (and critical for brains).  If you don't get good sleep, you are messing with the natural functioning of the body.  Long term that's going to have its implications.

So snoring alone probably doesn't kill you.  It's all the other stuff caused by the snoring that will.

trueblueintexas

March 11th, 2016 at 10:15 AM ^

Does snoring have to be a symptom of sleep apnea? My wife has had trouble sleeping as long as she can remember and has many of the other symptoms mentioned in this thread but she does not really snore. I'm thinking of encouraging her to get tested based on what I've read in this thread but not if snoring has to be part of it.

lbpeley

March 11th, 2016 at 11:00 AM ^

necessarily mean sleep apnea and sleep apnea doesn't always cause snoring. Although it is rare to have sleep apnea without at least some sort of noises most would consider snoring. 

I would absolutely encourage her to at least talk to her Dr about her symptoms. Any good one would recommend the proper steps after that.

Coldwater

March 11th, 2016 at 8:50 AM ^

I'm glad to hear he's using CPAP Therapy to treat his obstructive sleep apnea. Nowadays those machines are made smaller and quieter than ever, and can be carried quite easily in the provided padded travel bag. Getting used to it can be a challenge. After all, it's not normal to sleep with a mask on your face forcing air pressure down your airway. But it's better than the alternative that he was living through, and potentially a heart attack

I Bleed Maize N Blue

March 11th, 2016 at 8:58 AM ^

I'm glad he got a diagnosis. Trying to function in a constant state of sleep deprivation must be awful. I wonder if it can be fixed? Seems if you have to use the CPAP machine, a power outage would be bad.

Acedpar3

March 11th, 2016 at 9:21 AM ^

gotta have at least 8 hours of good sleep. i know people that have used this. like night and day. when getting tested tell you all kinds of stuff. for example. 

1. how many times you stop breathing

2. how many times you roll over.

3. snoring

lot of wires for testing results. having a problem. this will make you heart less strenuous. 

Todd Plate's n…

March 11th, 2016 at 9:54 AM ^

Was finally diagnosed at age 35; I have an "oral appliance".  It's similar to a mouthguard, but the bottom hooks into the top and keeps the lower jaw from falling back, which blocks the airway.  It's been life-changing.

 

I can tell you that this has a huge impact on how you feel throughout the day.  I can attest to the depression and general struggle to get through a day.  Everyone here has had a bad night's sleep...just imagine having those every single night, for 10 to 15 years.  You kind of operate in a general fog and getting the sleep issue addressed lifts the fog.  His quality of life should improve dramatically now that it's being addressed. 

 

 

UMfan21

March 11th, 2016 at 10:36 AM ^

mild apnea patient here. it doesn't effect me that much. having said that, I am not a college athlete. all it does is make me tired and probably reduce my stamina. it doesn't cause me to get buttering erstwhile when gripping a basketball, or have a 4 inch vertical.

Erik_in_Dayton

March 11th, 2016 at 10:39 AM ^

I can't imagine playing D1 basketball with major sleep problems.  I had significant trouble sleeping in college, and I struggled tremendously getting through.  And that was without playing a sport. 

As others have said, a lack of decent sleep reduces you in every respect.  Getting this under control would improve Doyle's life - and presumably his play - a great deal.

orangeda

March 11th, 2016 at 12:02 PM ^

I know when I want to intensely focus on something, I intentionally go without sleep for a few weeks to improve myself in that area.  And last I checked, catching a ball has a lot to do with focus, so Ricky should be just fine, hell, throw in the depression and I can't believe he wasn't tearing it up.(heavy sarcasm)

You're probably right, though, dude probably just has butter fingers.