IncrediblySTIFF

November 18th, 2016 at 10:11 AM ^

No charges in any of these, all of this is alleged.  Way to throw someone under the bus.  Police determined that his girlfriend was the agressor in one, the other two, and I quote

 

 

Both altercations involving teammates occurred while each was alone with Brown in the locker room. The Emerald spoke to several former and current players who said they heard about them through others on the team.

 

So we have one situation that doesn't look great but also resulted in no charges, and two other situations where this website isn't even naming their sources of these incidents.

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Big Boutros

November 18th, 2016 at 12:46 AM ^

I am not sure this is a reasonable thread topic. Michigan has recruited bad dudes before. Taylor Lewan is a complete asshole to name one.

Brown committed elsewhere several years ago. We pursued him as a recruit and it didn't go our way. Not sure what the point of this is.

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F5

November 18th, 2016 at 1:02 AM ^

He is not the first nor is he going to be the last bullet dodged. Hey that reminds me, whatever happened to that highly rated TE that snubbed us for UCLA I believe?

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bacon

November 18th, 2016 at 1:30 AM ^

Tough to judge the incidents with the teammates without context. The incident with the girlfriend seems shady. Sounds like he'll fit right in with the NFL.

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Everyone Murders

November 18th, 2016 at 8:33 AM ^

 

Neither the University of Oregon nor the football team has taken public disciplinary action against Brown regarding the three incidents.

One of those incidents is a domestic violence case involving Brown allegedly choking his girlfriend.  But he's good at the footballs, so why investigate/prosecute?  Situation has "Jayru Campbell" written all over it, but worse.

It's a football cultural problem, and ends up with cases of entitled scum like Ben Roethlisberger, Ray Rice and Aaron Hernandez.  Is Brown actually guilty of these assaults?  Hard to tell when the school and team won't do a thing about the allegations.

It's a hell of a lot of smoke, though.  A hell of a lot of smoke.

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Mr. Yost

November 18th, 2016 at 9:15 AM ^

His girlfriend said that he didn't choke her and that she had more to do with it than he did. Could she be lying? Maybe. But how do we know? I hate when people jump into these threads to blame the female and automatically defend the guy because you hear these stories so often. But in this case...how can you make one determination over the other? Her statement was pretty believable in MY opinion. I basically took it as we were drunk, I got physical with him, he pushed me or reacted aggressively (but didn't choke me)...neither of us should've ever let it get that far, but I was likely the aggressor in the situation more than he was. I don't read her comments and assume she's covering up for him so she can get his NFL money or because she's scared it'll happen again. I could be wrong, I could be right. I'll be the first to say I don't know...but I know that no one else does either based on just this article. All I have is her word. People see domestic violence and it's now implied that the football player beat up his girlfriend every time. Completely glossing over whether or not charges were officially brought up. Or what the conclusion was to the whole thing... Again, I'm never "that guy" in these threads and this kid seems like a complete knucklehead. Why would you dump snow in someone's car? But come on...Jayru Campbell body slammed a woman. I'm not going to assume he's innocent, but for you to assume he's guilty is bullshit. You even made a back story about how he's good at football and got away with it. Come on you can't just throw that stuff around so casually in this day and age. People's lives can change - not from a Michigan message board, but no reasonable person ever wants anyone to accuse them of that. Just the other day I watched a cell phone video of these two drunk student-athletes arguing at the school I work for. The guy was trying to leave the apartment and she wouldn't let him...you could tell he was getting angrier (he kicked over a chair, punched a couch pillow) and she was blocking the door and throwing shoes at him while he paced trying to find a way out and she called him a bitch for trying to "run away from their problem." Finally he gets so mad he walks over, grabs her by the shoulders, picks her up, and sets her out of his way so he can go for a walk. Cops are called (10 people are there) because they're drunk and arguing. By the time they show up she's crying on the floor with bruises on her shoulders. He's gone - didn't drive though. Boom. Domestic violence brought up against the guy and he's suspended. HER teammate shares the video with us (administration) against his wishes (because he's still drunk and being accused of some unsavory things which would be embarrassing to him)...still a problem, but at least the decision makers knew he didn't haul off and beat the girl. Which she never accused him of...but as soon as the cops show up and see those marks/bruises on her shoulders? They HAVE TO investigate and it has to go into some kind of record or report. Did he handle it perfectly? No. But did he beat her and drag her out of an elevator? No. But the same term is used for both. That's all I'm saying. Be careful when accusing because that term makes people instantly jump to Ray Rice over grabbing someone by the shoulders and moving them so you can exit a room they're blocking you from.

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Everyone Murders

November 18th, 2016 at 9:53 AM ^

I hope you stretched, because you did some intense gymnastics there.  I don't know how you read my comment to state that Brown did a Ray Rice knockout move.  Unless you're just itching for an argument.

To be clear, I never assumed he was guilty - those are your words.  I accused the school and the team of not looking into this as I believe they should.  Three incidents of accusations of violence are a lot.  (As a matter of fact, I specifically used the word "allegedly" and also noted we did not know if he was guilty.  You'd know that if you had read my entire comment. ;-) )  To wit:

Is Brown actually guilty of these assaults? Hard to tell when the school and team won't do a thing about the allegations.

That stated, I've done a little work (years ago) on the domestic violence front and I agree that - in isolation - it's a leap to state conclusively that Brown choked her.  The accused are entitled to their side of the story, and it's fundamental to our system to have the process play out.

I would not overvalue Brown's girlfriend's reconciliation in looking at this.  You'll note that Ray Rice's victim is now Ms. Rice.  Domestic violence is funny that way.  Just because a couple later makes nice does not mean that the act didn't happen.  You see it over and over again in domestic violence situations.

Also, I have picked people up by their shoulders.  It hasn't left them visibly bruised. 

And by reading the whole article, I saw two other instances of violence with teammates.  It all points to someone with anger-management issues.  Don't know if you missed that in your rush to write your diatribe.

I stand by my earlier statement.  Three separate accusations are a shit-ton of smoke.

 

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Don

November 18th, 2016 at 9:15 AM ^

but that doesn't mean we didn't dodge a bullet with Brown, either. When one person is involved in three violent altercations with three different people, that's generally not a good sign.

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Fezzik

November 18th, 2016 at 9:39 AM ^

The amputation would of forced this kid to learn humility, since no other father or coach figure will. I'm so tired of disgusting people getting away with disgusting things.

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