Does anyone else have a huge problem with Pete Carroll commentating last night during the National Championship game? I mean, it's not like the guy's retired or between jobs. He's a current coach for a nationally prevalent team. Not only does he have bias (although, to be fair, he seemed reasonably indifferent), but it draws attention to an already unfairly prominent program by adding to his celebrity. It seems to me this further gives USC a leg up in recruiting. And why Pete Carroll? Is Pete Carroll so chummy with ABC/ESPN broadcasters? No wonder they all ceaselessly give praise to USC, not only in broadcasts but also in AP Poll voting.
Pete Carroll Commentating Last Night
I didn't have a problem with it.
No problem at all.
But do you see why it is, in fact, an issue?
Just being on TV talking about a football game between two teams that you don't coach does not give one a recruiting advantage. It's not like the Coach K AmEx commercials a few years back where he basically recites his recruiting speech to parents about how he wants your son to become President of the World.
You're kidding yourself if you think that him being a commentator on the NC game has no influence over 17-18 year old kids he's recruiting.
Yes. I recorded the game and if you play his comments right after the game backwards, he's definitely saying, "Come to SC. We will pay you."
I can see your issue because he's still working at USC. As a general matter, however, I'd much rather hear what a guy with coaching credibility like Carroll has, as opposed to the rest of the ESPN crew who knowledgeable but don't quite have PC's resume.
In down (tourney) years for the MSU basketball team, I've often seen Tom Izzo as the celebrity coaching guest on "CBS Halftime," so this type of thing isn't new.
Is it good PR for the coach? Sure, and you'd have to be semi-famous, probably, to be considered for the gig. Still, I don't see Pete getting any extra-special favors.
I still feel, though, if you're going to have a coach commentating during a game, especially one with such a large audience, it should be one that is either retired or between jobs. A coach can be a great commentator, as they have so much actual experience, but a current coach just has too much bias and gets too many unfair perks from the brief gig. In other words, just b/c it's been done before doesn't make it right.
Did you have a problem when Rich Rodriguez was providing an interview/commentary during the 2008 Capital One Bowl?
My God is this a non-issue.
I said it on the thread last night why is pete carroll all over the tv, he needs to take a vacation and stay out of the spot light.
I really liked it. I didn't see him blatantly plugging USC or using it as a recruiting forum (though I could have missed something as I was only half watching) so he didn't seem out of line. Some of the back-and-forth between PC and Desmond at halftime was infinitely better than the normal Mark May/ Lou interactions we usually get.
Also, they had Lane Kiffin on Gameday as the guest picker for the SEC Championship game after UT's season was over and I don't recall anyone complaining.
I think Beilein was part of the CBS studio crew for part of the 2008 tournament.
As much as I'd personally love that, it's still journalistically wrong. Maybe this all stems from my majoring in English and Communications (since there's no journalism major at U of M), but it's Jouralism/Broadcasting 101, bias is not acceptable. Of course bias enters the picture ALL THE TIME, but they should at least make an effort to not make it so blatant.
Lou Holtz wouldn't have a job.
at what point was he biased?
I'm not sure you understand the definition of "bias". To be biased, one does not have to say or do anything openly. One just has to be involved with whatever the situation at hand is. For instance, I could talk objectively all day about Michigan and Ohio State football, but because I went to U of M, I am automatically biased regardless of whether or not I let that bias enter into the discussion.
I don't understand how the bias affects the game. If they bring in lots of different coaches (as others have been pointing out) then they all get the same recruiting benefits and whatnot.
Now, if they were to have Pete Carroll on every week, then you might have a problem.
That was never the issue at hand here and was never posited by anyone before this post. And it's not like lots of different coaches have been brought in to commentate on these games. Only a select few have. I'm not positive but I believe there are something like 119 teams in the FBS. Only about 4 or so coaches have been mentioned on this board, and they have only represented the powerhouses in their sport. It's not like they're consistently taking in coaches from all sorts of various schools every week. This has just been a very rare thing, with only the more well-known coaches being chosen to do this. Still wrong.
I think bias would be a bigger issue if Carroll was a reporter or something, where his job was to present facts. For an analyst, bias is acceptable to me, provided it is reasonable and they don't try to hide that the analyst has a connection to another school.
from a false premise.
Since when are Chris Fowler, Lee Corso and Desmond Howard journalists? They're television presenters.
Last night, so was Pete Carroll.
Seriously, take that tin foil off your head.
I disliked it. Nothing he said showed any bias or anything but it really does give an unnecessary spotlight to USC, a school that really doesn't need it.
On the other hand I can see why they would want him. He's had himself some NC experience and was able to provide some insight into the mind of a coach during a NC.
Urban Meyer was a commentator for the Title Game 2 years ago on Fox. It's a little weird seeing a current coach doing that, but I have no qualms with it.
maybe carroll knows something we don't and that was a live audition.... :)
I don't really have a problem with it. Besides, what other coach out there has more National Championship game experience than Pete Carroll? Meyer is close but I doubt he is taking on anything extra right now
I'm not sure what the big deal exactly is.
It's not like some 5 star watched UT and Bama play for it all and then saw Pete on ABC and said "holy shit, I forgot about USC, this Coach Carroll is awesome, I NEED TO PLAY FOR HIM!"
It's not that uncommon to see current pro players/coaches commenting during the playoffs. It was in Carrol's backard and he can form a sentence. He'll be a fine announcer if/when he wants to be.
is the parent company of USC.
Oh, and nobody knows who UCLA's coach is. (Also, they knew Pete was available, because Malibu Barbie was in San Francisco for the weekend, freeing Pete up in the evenings through Thursday. That was for our friend Charlie Weis.)
Begging to differ on the UCLA comment. Neuheisel is pretty well known in the college football arena and general word is that he's a good guy (described before as "relentlessly optimistic"). While he's not as established as PC and thus shouldn't have been invited, give a man respect where he's building something out of ruins.
Neuheisel is a good guy? That's the first i've ever heard of that. And UCLA was never in the ruins. They were always competitive. The only thing that has to be tough at UCLA is recruiting a kid to play at a stadium nowhere near campus. But that's it cause UCLA is unbelievable in all aspects. If I didn't go to UofM I would've loved to go there. Amazing campus, check. Great academics, check. Awesome part of town, check. Absurd amounts of hot women, CHECK. okay, rant over.
Neuheisel left 2 major programs that had just won NCs a few years earlier, in a lot worse shape then when he got there (UW, Colorado). He had constant flirtations with other teams during his tenures there (with other college programs and the NFL) which he lied to the administrations of those schools. He commited rules violations at CU which led to them losing scholarships and being put on probation AFTER he left. He then committed numerous recruiting violations and then participated in an NCAA pool which he lied about and was going to be suspended by the NCAA for 2 years before UW's AD fired him. He also has a rep for being fake and disingenuous. Hence, the nickname "Slick Rick." But yeah, he's considered a good guy. ;)
UCLA was not in ruins when he got there. Karl Dorrell won at a higher clip than Neuheisel has. Dorrell led UCLA to a bowl game in each of his 5 seasons and no lower than 5th in the Pac-10. Neuheisel has led UCLA to 1 bowl game, and no higher than 8th in the Pac 10.
And no, I have no respect for a coach, and a team, that cannot build a college football program that produces the Number One team in the nation every single freaking year when your campus is next door to Beverly Hills, you have palm trees, ridiculously beautiful coeds, Westwood, cool uniforms, your golf team's home course is Bel Air CC, John Wooden lives in the neighborhood and your home football field is the effing Rose Bowl.
No sir, if you cannot take that, plus some pipe-hittin' brothers from East LA and Samoa and Long Beach, and build a perennial powerhouse, not to mention a team that kicks the crap out of the guys who play for that slum-school USC, then no sir, UCLA is incompetent, or cursed, or something else bad and incomprehensible, because it is a freakin' beautyful place that ought to have guys lining up to play there. They could just put their recruiting pitch on a DVD and mail them out.
maybe they chose pete there, because hes the coach of USC which is very close to the rose bowl?? Its not like they flew him across the country just to make this TV appearance
I must say that Desmond was looking pretty vibrant in the green shirt and pink tie. Desmond and PC bickered a bit, but PC backed down cause he knew he just couldn't match Desmonds style
I never really noticed before last night, but Carroll looks as though he has had his nose broken at some point in his life. It is very Owen Wilson-esque.
this is pathetic
Have you ever watched the 1974 Michigan at Ohio State game?
Keith Jackson called it for ABC (Keith looked good in his Rose Bowl Hall of Fame blazer last night for the coin toss, by the way) and who was doing color with him: Joe Paterno.
ABC frequently used still active coaches who had off weeks or whose seasons had concluded as their color analysts back in the 1970s. This is the natural evolution of this plan.
[Addendum: If you want to see who called what national game back in the old pre-cable days? Go here. You could easily spend hours looking at those lists.
I still have nightmares of Tam Klaban's kicks going through and Mike Lantry's kick being waved off because it hooked up with the jet stream.
My problem with it is that TPTB at ESPN/ABC somehow feel it is their duty to parade Pete and their love for USC around in the open.
Let's be real here: USC was nowhere near the National Championship this year, yet ESPN/ABC had to involve them/Pete anyway. That's a little irritating.
mhm...and sitting in desmond howards chair. bunch of bs.
If it means he'll go pro, can we get Tressel commentating as well?