OT: Insightful Analysis of Lebron James' Perception Among Fans/Critics

Submitted by BornSinner on

Yes, this segment is on Olbermann, BUT!!! he is not hosting it. It's Ryen Russillo, and he kills it! Olbermann probably would have ruined it with his arrogance. 

I found myself agreeing with almost everything he said, especially the part about people going undefeated in finals vs losses in finals. 

Really makes you think about what you would do in these situations and how people judge athletes in general... 

Also makes me wonder whether it's ESPN driving the comparisons between greats all the time or if it's the fans' demand causing ESPN to do it... 

 

 

 

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Ricky from Sunnyvale

May 29th, 2015 at 2:57 AM ^

Russillo is great on just about anything he does, dude is just a realist and has zero bias. Sad to hear SVP & Russillo is being dsbanded in the fall. He was just on Zach Lowe's podcast and was awesome. Now I know why he wasn't on radio today.

I never understood the LeBron hate, and anyone in Cleveland that burned his jersey or bad mouthed him when he left should have to wear a scarlett letter or something when they now cheer for him. He is a generational player that might never be duplicated. 

BornSinner

May 29th, 2015 at 3:05 AM ^

The way he left was distasteful. He probably should have given a heads up to management as courtesy just from a professional standpoint especially when Gilbert hired/helped a lot of LBJ's friends etc. He didn't do it with Miami either. 

Idk I think people should just be courteous for that kind of thing, equivalent of a 2 weeks notice if you will. 

The reactions from Cleveland obviously weren't warranted, but I could understand why they were mad. 

Former_DC_Buck

May 29th, 2015 at 7:29 AM ^

Yes, they were hurt he left, but what really upset them was the process.  There was also the impression he dogged it in his last series with the Cavs before leaving.  The whole The Decision show is what really pushed a lot of folks over the edge. 

Imagine if in five years Harbaugh has nothing but 10 or 11 win regular seasons, but always misses out on the B!G CG, excpet in his fifth year when he wins the B1G East but loses a non competitive game to a Nebraska or Wisconsin team that goes on to with the National Championship. 

Now at the same time, there is an NFL team that has what seems to have all the pieces in place to win the Superbowl except for a head coach.  From December until the SuperBowll there are stories of Harbaugh having interviews with NFL teams.  Harbaugh is sending out somewhat cryptic tweets that maybe he is going and maybe he is staying.  Or perhaps a better anaolgy would be instead of the NFL, it is Texas or FSU or Alabama.  Either way after two months of speculation there is a half hour announcement show they show clips of him as a player under Bo.  They show clips of him on the sidelines at Michigan.  And then he announces that he is taking his talents out of Ann Arbor.  Even WD might burn some Harbaugh gear.   

 

mGrowOld

May 29th, 2015 at 8:25 AM ^

Great analogy - 100%.  I admit I was one of the guys who tossed away ALL by Lebron gear (no I didnt burn anything) and rooted like Hell AGAINST the Heat every year he was there.  And I think Lebron knew, deep down, that he handled his departure poorly and it bothered him which is one reason he's so driven to come home and bring Cleveland a long awaited title.  And yes I'm cheering like crazy for him now.

See that's the only part of your analogy that's missing.  You have to include that when the Harbaugh in your story leaves he suddenly starts winning the big game and brings his new team home the title that Michigan always missed out on.  That's what hurt even worse here and it's why we are so hopeful that THIS year...with THIS team...things will finally change.

Ricky from Sunnyvale

May 29th, 2015 at 2:22 PM ^

The Cavs never put anything around LBJ and the Heat were aging rapidly(he told Wade), if his only fault is leaving a team poorly than i'm cool with that. What is the proper way to do that. Teams trash people out the door all the time Dragic got it this year with the Suns, Melo with the Nuggets, Desean Jackson isn't in a gang... the list goes on. Very rare that a player has the control, teams don't like that. Fans think they'd like it but don't,

All this makes me think why does Dan Gilbert get a pass, that letter he wrote was garbage.

pdgoblue25

May 29th, 2015 at 10:15 AM ^

What it felt like to watch that abomination.  He didn't even tell the team that he was leaving which would have given us the time to make some deals and soften the blow.

He didn't owe us anything, but what he did was the meanest thing any player has ever done to a fan base.

I didn't burn anything, I found my witness shirt buried in my closet.  However, there is a small part of me that will never forgive him for that night.

canzior

May 29th, 2015 at 12:34 PM ^

. He had a press conference and gave $1M to the Boys and Girls club.  If he would've annouced he was staying, no one would've cared, he just would've been vreative.  Cleveland fans butt-hurt because he left. He didn't owe ANYONE anythintg, you're right, other than himself.  He clearly made the right decision, especially looking at Gilbert's comments the next day.

And I couldn't have stated it better: If you feel abandoned because a basketball player left CLEVELAND for MIAMI...matter of fact, if you are upset than anyone leaves Cleveland for fucking Miami...then that's a you problem.

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Ronnie Kaye

May 29th, 2015 at 11:16 AM ^

That didn't do anything to sway my anti-LeBron opinion. The guy quits on his teams And his actions are highly contrived.

coldnjl

May 29th, 2015 at 1:36 AM ^

I don't understand how people say there is no compairson between LBJ and MJ.  They are both generational players. I think I would rather have LBJ (can play PF to PG) than MJ if I had to chose, and that is with no dog in the fight. There just ins't many players who are as athletically and physically gifter ever as LBJ. Plus the guy isn't selfish on the court.

615Wolverine

May 29th, 2015 at 1:45 AM ^

I was one to criticize him in his early days but he has proven me wrong. When it's all said and done my top 5 players of all time are 1a-Jordan 1b-Kobe 3-magic 4-LBJ 5-bill Russell



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Prince Lover

May 29th, 2015 at 2:05 AM ^

More so than Jordan. He said this on the Dan Patrick show yesterday. NBA must really be trying to arouse interest in the finals with this narrative. "Hey, all you old fans of basketball back in the 80s and 90s, c'mon back. We have better players now!"

BornSinner

May 29th, 2015 at 2:16 AM ^

I doubt Bill Laimbeer would be one of the NBA's spokespeople for it tho considering he's essentially blackballed from the league due to his playing days. 

Coaching a WNBA team wouldn't be his career atm if he wasn't shunned. 

2manylincs

May 29th, 2015 at 2:42 AM ^

80/90s: magic, jordan, bird, malone, kareem. Bench: zeke, pippen, barkley, dr j, gervin, robinson, hakeem? Maybe moses for the admiral maybe stockton as a 3rd pg over gervin or dr j, maybe bernard king? Vs. Lets say last 5 yrs: mvp rose, paul, westbrook, curry, durant, lebron, duncan, dwight, dirk, kobe, melo, and the brow this yr. The old timers are revered, but is there any doubt that the current guys dont run them off the court? I quit following the nba for awhile, but the speed and athleticism today is amazing. Theres no way the old timers stay within 20 under the current rules unless mj and bird go nuts. the current guys spread and shread them all day. And if you want size you take a gasol, zbo, jo noah, tyson chandler in ny, love in minny, hibbert a few yrs ago, and i even left harden and paul george out as a shredder. The current guys win this easy. Edit: i hate to start the war, but the 90s may be better off playing webber at the 4 for passing and space as a player who was ahead of his time and could run with the current team. Add championship walton on the blazers and russell as bigs to the old timers and they may have a better chance bc of the spacing, passing, and defense.. they still lose in 6 though..

B-Nut-GoBlue

May 29th, 2015 at 3:54 AM ^

I'm not going to try and change your mind, but the "old timers" could hang just fine if not better the new-era players. "Under the current rules" doesn't make sense. The game was much more physical in past decades so with older generations playing in a free-er and less physical game how would that be a detriment to them? I agree to an extent the athleticism is at a higher level, overall but taking the best of the best cancels that out. The best players in the 70s, 80s, 90s were plenty and just as athletic as guys these days. There may be more "freaks" now, Lebron, Dwight Howard, but that doesn't make some of them better (I'll take plenty of older guys over Howard, even though he may be a bit more athletic). I think you're forgetting how good the players of yesteryear really were. I think you're forgetting quite a few actual players as well (I'm not up for making lists now, there were many a great players that compare to today's). E.g I think Russell Westbrook is a helluva player but let's switch notions and put him playing back 25 years ago. I think I'll take a few other guards over that time period than him, due to the era alone. That's not a strong argument but an example of my mindset (as silly as it may come across...I know that dude can ball). Again, respect the opinion, just completely disagree.

2manylincs

May 30th, 2015 at 1:56 AM ^

The more open rules and 3 point line usage/ practice would heavily favor modern players. Id be far more scared if they played under 1988 bad boys rules and would change both teams immediately. The more physical players of the 80/90s would be run off the court, as i stated, not punched off of it. Find me one big from the 90s who could run and play modern d with dwight in orlando. The admiral, maybe. And thats with a few years in a system like the spurs today. Is there anyone besides the 3 edit additions who could pass with the modern bigs? Pick and roll, pick and pop with them? Athleticism is equal? Cmon. Lbj is the same size as malone and moves better than anyone on the floor. He guards 1 thru 5. The moderns switch any pick. The bigs can chase zeke and stockton all day and all the pg besides paul are over 6'3. Plus, modern zones allow a sag/dbl on kareem, hakeem, or the admiral.. And cmon, westbrook, thats your worst argument. Id say chris paul or curry are the pansies. Westbrook is crazy, he would have no problem punching it out with anyone.

jbrandimore

May 29th, 2015 at 10:10 AM ^

The 80s and 90s players would destroy the modern guys and not lose a game.

The older crew had guys like Isaiah, Malone, Bird and MJ who would cut their mother's heart out to beat you. 

The modern guys are soft. Very very soft. LBJ isn't soft, but everyone else is extremely soft.

A guy like Rose wouldn't last into the second quarter against the old guys. He would get a sprained ego or something and end up on the bench. Same with Griffin. Harder couldn't guard anyone so he would be useless.

You would have to have LBJ guard Magic as there is no one else who could possibly do it in the modern game. Then you have what - Harden on MJ???? Haha

So you would end up with Curry and Harden and Durant jacking up 3s and never getting a single board on either end of the floor.

Old guys win about 128-80.

ST3

May 29th, 2015 at 3:10 PM ^

Jordan would rip out Harden's heart and eat it with a nice chianti, or something. Harden looked like he was stoned in Game 5 and played like it, 13 turnovers. I can just see him trying that "draw a foul" stuff on Jordan and Jordan picking his pocket and going the other way. Harden is an out of control chucker who has benefitted from the superstar treatment and the new foul rules.

No one today could stop Kareem's skyhook, and no one today has that weapon.

2manylincs

May 30th, 2015 at 2:07 AM ^

The old guys had heart and modern guys dont is the weakest argument ever. Have you watched anyone but lbj? Westbrook is nuts. Duncan? And slamming drose? Get real. Watch any bulls game from his mvp season, please. No heart? Ego? What a joke. He dragged a junk team to the conference finals and lost to lebron.. I didnt even list griffin, even though hes a freak, hes not strong enough on d or a good enough shooter to play the 4 on this team. And harden was listed as not making the team.. I wont even reply to your prediction, under modern rules, to think a team with one 3 pt shooter (bird) and one mobile, pick and roll big (robinson) puts up 128. No way.

CoachBP6

May 29th, 2015 at 4:00 AM ^

The way LeBron plays the game is amazing and why I will always pull for him to win as many rings as possible. LeBron gets everyone involved, is a great defender that can guard 4 positions, as well as a great passer, rebounder, and scorer. LeBron can play PG, SG, SF, and PF, which always gives his teams great flexibility. LeBron is routinely asked to guard the other teams best player, all while running the show on offense, and playing 40 minutes a night. LeBron is a great teammate by all accounts and seems like a really great guy off the floor as well. I really hope he gets to 5-6 titles, but his likely total is 3-4

bo_lives

May 29th, 2015 at 4:12 AM ^

but honestly the way he's acted over the last several years has made me come around. And given that I'm now aware of what an a-hole MJ was and is, I hope Lebron will surpass him.

umchicago

May 29th, 2015 at 7:51 AM ^

his PR skills are what has created this poor perception of him.  by all accounts that i've heard, he is a good teammate and good person off of the court.  however, his selection show mockery and his on-camera skills are lacking.  he just comes off as being fake; much like A-Rod.  When, in fact, he could have easily come off more like derek jeter, if he had good PR skills.

UofM626

May 29th, 2015 at 4:44 AM ^

Would piss there pants driving down the lane as lambeer, Mason, Ewing, Malone and a host of other BIG NASTY players would beat the shit out of these players today. These guys cry foul every damn time they dribble down the court! Players today are quick but there PUSSIES! Ya I said it! If Kobe drive down the lane the Bad Boys would have his lunch and then kick his ass

Oscar

May 29th, 2015 at 6:02 AM ^

The reason I hated LeBron is b/c he is the guy at pick-up basketball that is the best player out there, but wants the 2nd and 3rd best players on his team.  Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Magic, they didn't abandon their team when the supporting cast wasn't good enough.

That being said, now that he is back in Cleveland, I kind of like him again, but I am rooting for the Warriors.

Padog

May 29th, 2015 at 7:41 AM ^

I'm so tired of this argument. Jordan had Pippen who was arguably a top 5 player. Kobe had Shaq for 3 of his rings. Magic had James Worthy and Kareem for a little bit. Bird had Parish, Maxwell, McHale, Johnson, Walton. These players were drafted into pretty well run teams. LeBron went into Cleveland and had nothing. Just because MJ said he never would have left, who knows if he would have?



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2manylincs

May 30th, 2015 at 2:15 AM ^

But hes top 15 ever. Did it help that he played with the greatest ever ( to this point)? Obviously. But pippen was exceptional at everything. Guarded anyone and would probably fit in better under modern rules with his passing ability. Throw pippen in his prime on any team today and theyre an instant contender. Isnt that the test for a top 20 player ever?

Evil Empire

May 29th, 2015 at 12:05 PM ^

I know they picked up some guys via free-agency and trades, and with LeBron they were only bad enough to havea good first-round pick once (his first season).

Look who the team drafted during his seven years:

2003: 31st pick Jason Kapono

2004: 10th pick Luke Jackson

2005: no picks

2006: 25th pick Shannon Brown, 42nd pick Daniel Gibson, 55th pick Ejike Ugboaja

2007: no picks

2008: 19th pick JJ Hickson

2009: 30th pick Christian Eyenga, 46th pick Danny Green (has had a good career but only with the Spurs, after the Cavs waived him)

That's one decent 2nd round pickup (Gibson) and a too late to do much okay first rounder in Hickson, in seven drafts.