OT: Holy smokes, FSU's Jimbo Fisher to Texas A&M is a real thing
It seems impossible to me, but these rumors are gaining steam (link).
FSU is currently hemorrhaging recruits, including 4 star CB Houston Griffith (247 link) and 4 star OL Verdis Brown (247 link).
As a side note, I'm hoping Michigan can grab some of these awesome prospects.
Edit: If there are any Michigan fans rumbling about Harbaugh, there's a lesson somewhere in this. FSU had a pretty horrible season--far worse than Michigan--and Jimbo's frustration driving him to A&M of all places leaves FSU with a pretty rough coaching situation.
Edit 2: Here's another story (link), this one slightly more strongly-worded and detailed.
November 30th, 2017 at 3:56 AM ^
FSU may be in a lot of trouble if this happens.
November 30th, 2017 at 8:21 AM ^
cant believe Herm Edwards might coach ASU. WTF
November 30th, 2017 at 8:28 AM ^
November 30th, 2017 at 2:40 PM ^
because it has worked out so well for Illinois
November 30th, 2017 at 8:48 AM ^
November 30th, 2017 at 10:25 AM ^
"interviewing as acourtesy to his buddy" is a wierd way to put it, if those are Herm's words.
Instead, "talking to him about what to look for" would be a better way to say it publically if he's not interested in the job. That would sound more like a courtesy visit.
November 30th, 2017 at 10:26 AM ^
Just saw the post where he took the job.
November 30th, 2017 at 12:19 PM ^
former agent.
November 30th, 2017 at 2:42 PM ^
You don't actually believe that, do you? My kids when little made up better stories.
November 30th, 2017 at 8:23 AM ^
Would be a little weird to leave Oregon after one year, but FSU is a clear upgrade.
December 1st, 2017 at 9:25 AM ^
December 1st, 2017 at 11:45 AM ^
All the other top schools are catching up. Meanwhile, Oregon is in the relative middle of nowhere. They have no local recruiting base at all.
Their ceiling is making the top 10 recruiting rankings once in a while.
FSU is always top 10 and usually top 5.
They have the NCs to prove it.
November 30th, 2017 at 9:57 AM ^
in Tallahassee among many of the faithful, and in the upper levels of the admin. He doesn't get along with the AD, and has made a lot of power plays and demands--including that the alumni association focus exclusively on football--that, ultimately, have worn thin. FSU has jumped from the 60s in rankings to the 30s in the last decade and secured the National Mag Lab (which might not seem much to those of us from the lordly UM, but is very big) and this is no longer the cow town it was; there's a certain pride and refusal to get too bent out of shape that I admire.
I posted the other day that UCF was on the rise and met skepticism, but lots of the more thoughtful commentary is pointing out that with UCF and USF on the rise, Florida due for a resurgence and Miami again going places, the recruiting picture is far less delightful for FSU right now. Jimbo has been resolutely faithful to his assistants even when they were shown to be underachieving; this has bred increasing skepticism, too; now the school is losing recruits while he dithers, compounding the resentment. Most here assume he is gone and the U is actively looking; Charlie Strong and Oregon's Taggart are among the names I have heard mentioned most to replace him.
November 30th, 2017 at 10:11 AM ^
November 30th, 2017 at 10:25 AM ^
But I have to admit that--as with Hoke--a certain kind of aw shucks football coach who cannot acquit himself convincingly at the mike always makes me skeptical. (I disliked Bowden intensely, but he was clever as hell.)
I have a doctorate from UF, and family at FSU, but only ever really get excited for Michigan. I always want FSU to be good enough to keep the hotels full but lose enough games here and there to keep the arrogance, rapes, and pillaging to a minimum. Yes, that is cynical.
November 30th, 2017 at 10:44 AM ^
With you on this. They want Fisher gone and FSU will be fine for the most part. It's a program that has too many factors in its favor to fade away without Jimbo. Also, you're right on UCF. They are emerging for a reason. It is an absolutely massive university for those who don't know the size. That means $ coming in. I would not sleep on them as they will be a major player sooner rather than later.
November 30th, 2017 at 12:27 PM ^
Yes, just like Michigan in 2007 or Texas in 2013. Too many factors in its favor to fade away without Lloyd and Mack. Really doesn't matter who the next head coach is.
November 30th, 2017 at 11:22 AM ^
Never been convinced? In 7 years at FSU prior to this year he is 78-17 (45-12 ACC). He 5-2 in post NYE bowl games including a undefeated national championship season. Lowest win total in those 7 years is 9. This year he lost his starting QB in the first game of the year and multiple other starters in subsequent games.
Sure he has a southern accent and a good old boy mentality but he acquits himself quite well at the mic, your aversion to "aw shucks" manner of speech aside. You seem both obtuse when it comes to evaluating football results, as well as judgemental about socio-cultural background.
November 30th, 2017 at 11:34 AM ^
wholeheartedly agree with this. Watch the FSU all access on Amazon and you'll immediately dismiss the Brady Hoke comparisons.
November 30th, 2017 at 12:17 PM ^
But FSU has definitely been a place that recruited itself, and leadership goes beyond Xs and O's--the consensus is that his failure to make necessary coaching changes has hurt the team, and letting big-time recruits go now. . . that is mismanagement (coaching). I'll be very surprised if he stays here, and--to your assertions--surprised if he has anything like the same success at A&M. That will (we might both agree) be a truer test of his helmsmanship.
One aside: a really critical juncture in any coach's career is how he makes the transition from fire-breathing inspirer of young men to quiet(er) leader who chooses his spots. I think that Harbaugh is very consciously making this transition. I don't see Fisher as quite as capable of doing that. Corn pone identity or not, he has looked extremely neurotic in both his handling of his personal life and constant whinging about FSU facilities (which everyone was doing all they could to ameliorate). I think he fades. . .
P.S. I have seen him speak competently in public; I have seen him look hapless as heck. Take a look at how he handled the ejection of the questioner from his radio show yesterday. Crude and embarrassing. Having gone through what he has--being very publicly cuckolded, having the world comment on his hair implants and cultivated five o'clock shadow(s)--can't blame him if he wants to get out himself.
November 30th, 2017 at 10:32 AM ^
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November 30th, 2017 at 4:05 AM ^
November 30th, 2017 at 4:48 AM ^
When they've played Notre Dame.
November 30th, 2017 at 5:14 AM ^
or Alabama
November 30th, 2017 at 4:12 AM ^
November 30th, 2017 at 4:24 AM ^
I've been reading about the crazy money A&M will throw at him, too. I mean, what an amazing move from A&M, but if you put aside the relative reputations and histories of the programs, maybe timing isn't so bad. Herman isn't exactly lighting things on fire at Texas, so there might be a window for Jimbo to get a stranglehold on in-state recruiting.
November 30th, 2017 at 4:49 AM ^
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November 30th, 2017 at 6:46 AM ^
After Bo turned down TAMU, Tom Monaghan gave him a Domino's franchise . . . in Columbus.
November 30th, 2017 at 10:07 AM ^
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November 30th, 2017 at 8:11 AM ^
LMAO at this comment, and at the posters who +'d it up! Completely missed it... Ahh, kids these days, they just don't study history... Maybe they should take a lesson from BuckeyeChuck?
November 30th, 2017 at 1:02 PM ^
November 30th, 2017 at 7:19 AM ^
Loyalty is a two-way street. Companies showed long ago they have no loyalty to their employees. In regard to Fisher, I wouldn't blame him for leaving FSU if the school and fans were treating him like garbage.
November 30th, 2017 at 8:49 AM ^
I'm on the younger side and my initial experience in the working world was during the beginning of the Great Recession. I learned then that very few companies show any loyalty to their employees when times get tough. Showing loyalty to a company should be at the bottom of your priority list unless it somehow benefits you or you work at one of those rare companies that looks out for its own.
November 30th, 2017 at 9:56 AM ^
Tons of companies were hemorrhaging money. What did you want them to do? Keep paying employees they couldn't put to work just for funsies? Then EVERYONE at that company would have been effed because the company would have folded.
That said, I'm not so disillusioned to think that my longtime employees would stay here out of loyalty when a competitor down the road is offering bigger dough. I would expect a chance to counter, however.
November 30th, 2017 at 12:22 PM ^
If you create a culture where your employees genuinely like working for you, then they will give you a chance to counter (because they still want to work for you albeit at a higher income level). Otherwise, if an employee leaves without at least seeing whether you would match the offer, you should take that as a reflection on you and/or your company, not that employee. It is common sense that people who like where they work don't want to leave.
November 30th, 2017 at 12:22 PM ^
If you create a culture where your employees genuinely like working for you, then they will give you a chance to counter (because they still want to work for you albeit at a higher income level). Otherwise, if an employee leaves without at least seeing whether you would match the offer, you should take that as a reflection on you and/or your company, not that employee. It is common sense that people who like where they work don't want to leave.
November 30th, 2017 at 12:22 PM ^
If you create a culture where your employees genuinely like working for you, then they will give you a chance to counter (because they still want to work for you albeit at a higher income level). Otherwise, if an employee leaves without at least seeing whether you would match the offer, you should take that as a reflection on you and/or your company, not that employee. It is common sense that people who like where they work don't want to leave.
November 30th, 2017 at 12:22 PM ^
If you create a culture where your employees genuinely like working for you, then they will give you a chance to counter (because they still want to work for you albeit at a higher income level). Otherwise, if an employee leaves without at least seeing whether you would match the offer, you should take that as a reflection on you and/or your company, not that employee. It is common sense that people who like where they work don't want to leave.
November 30th, 2017 at 9:58 AM ^
Not only will companies not have loytalty to employees, but they will actively work to destroy incentives for keeping people around. Fifty years ago, someone might stick around a company because they had a pension and escalating vacation time and a prospect of promotion.
None of that exists any more. It's clear companies don't want people to stick around for 20 years. Why stay somewhere when it's clear you're not wanted?
November 30th, 2017 at 10:54 AM ^
It exists still. Just not common anymore.
December 1st, 2017 at 11:54 AM ^
This is true. We are all free agents now.
They will keep me as long as there is a financial advantage for them to do so, and I will stay with them as long as there is a financial advantage for me to do so.
It's cynical, but nobody even pretends any more. It's a value-for-value exchange that gets re-evaluated evey year.
It is what it is.
There is a certain freedom to it. I'm cordial, but I don't feel the need to laugh at the boss's bad jokes or tell him how smart he is like back in the day.
November 30th, 2017 at 10:07 AM ^
This looks a bit like the Rich Rod situation where he's insisting on upgraded facilities and the admin isn't being forthright about plans. Interesting to see what comes out after the dust settles.
LSU has to be kicking themselves that they missed out on him by a year. If Jimbo flames out at TAMU (which I doubt) it could be eerily similar to RR/M/Alabama.
November 30th, 2017 at 7:33 AM ^
I've heard a couple of times from fan boards and talk radio that Fisher doesnt have any disdain for FSU, it's that after his nasty divorce last year he's decided that having a fresh new start somewhere else is what he considers to be most healthy. Tallahassee has a real small town feel to it and people talk. I'm sure A&M's massive offer will help but I think there's more to this than just "he doesnt like FSU anymore"
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