NotADuck

December 19th, 2022 at 12:48 PM ^

I think its pretty clear that Michigan was never going to win this recruitment.  I'm making a lot of assumptions here but I think its clear that his priorities are more than just winning games.  He wants to win, but he wants everything else that comes with winning just as much or more.

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blueinbeantown

December 19th, 2022 at 1:43 PM ^

No sounds like he wants it all regardless or before winning!  Prime reason NFL should sponsor a minor league.  Getting crazy.  NIL deals. Players in programs for 6-7 years.  How many NFL QB's are younger than Bo Nix?  My son's team, FCS, has QB coming back for a 7th year, SEVEN!!! Guess he'll have a Ph.D or Social Security when he leaves???

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Communist Football

December 19th, 2022 at 1:46 PM ^

FWIW, Moore denies that NIL played a role in his recruitment:

Moore mentioned that the UCLA heading to the Big Ten, where it starts play in the 2024 season, was a factor in his decision.

"The TV time and exposure is going to be great for me to market myself as being a quarterback and being an athlete at this point," he said.

Moore said that NIL did not play a big factor in his decision. He acknowledged that if he plays well at UCLA there will be NIL opportunities, but he said on his recruiting visits he'd decline to go to NIL meetings if they showed up on his itinerary. He said he didn't want a dollar amount thrown at him by a school impact a decision that should be based on football.

"I want to keep football the main thing and be a college student and enjoy life," he said. "Football is my main thing. That's what I love, and I can keep that the main thing."

Moore credited the bond he built with Kelly, quarterback coach Ryan Gunderson and wide receiver coach Jerry Neuheisel in his recruitment.

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bluesalt

December 19th, 2022 at 2:36 PM ^

I’m looking forward to when college players say “yeah, I went with the school that gave me the most money.”  They shouldn’t be ashamed — most kids pick their schools by choosing the ones that cost the least (due to scholarships/aid/whatever), and so what if athletes just the one that has the most negative cost?  Good for them.

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WestQuad

December 19th, 2022 at 4:33 PM ^

Saying you're going for the most money is unseemly even if it is your goal.  Everyone needs and wants money, but it is a shallow goal.  No one wants a spokesperson who says I did it for the money.  See every FTX spokesperson....

A better goal, like Dante Moore is saying, is to play football at the highest level.  To be great.   The money follows that. 

 

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ak47

December 19th, 2022 at 2:48 PM ^

Yes, it makes much more sense to trust unsourced rumors that have mostly been wrong than the kids themselves. Especially when this decision comes after the school he committed to just lost their offensive coordinator and the starting QB announced he was coming back for another year.

But sure, it must have just been the money because that is what you want to believe based on prior assumptions.

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schreibee

December 19th, 2022 at 4:04 PM ^

No - more like "it must be the money" because he's committing to far away schools, including going considerably down the conference title possibility list with this new "commitment", when for years we all heard what big Michigan fans his family are!

Hearing a local kid has big Michigan fans in their family has nearly 100% of the time led to a commitment (if Michigan pursued them) until the NIL era. 

And that's why people are being snarky! 

 

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bronxblue

December 19th, 2022 at 2:25 PM ^

Obviously it plays a role in his decision but he also clearly wants to play early and he wasn't going to do so with Nix returning.  UCLA is bringing in a Kent St. transfer but Moore can probably beat him out and then he's got a nice road to playing time at an upper-half P5 team in a huge media market.  This really isn't rocket science - he wants to play early and (hopefully) turn that into wins, fame, and money.  And there aren't that many open spots on big-name teams going into next year.

UCLA doesn't have a big booster community for football - that's been a complaint I've heard for some time around that program.  It's why Chip Kelly was able to waddle along at 3-4 wins a year for 3 seasons without much concern or consternation within the program.  So while I assume NIL is a consideration Oregon absolutely can outbid them if they wanted to.  This feels as much a "business" decision on the field as off it.

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HAIL-YEA

December 19th, 2022 at 4:08 PM ^

He doesn't want to play early, he wants to be named starter right now.  Having a senior qb ahead of you for your true freshman year is the perfect situation for anyone who only cares about football. This guy wants no competition at as big of a program he can  get it at. I'm not gonna hate, he will be the man at UCLA, and he gets to get L.A. NIL and socal weather.  

 

 

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NotADuck

December 19th, 2022 at 2:55 PM ^

He talked about marketing himself which, if I'm not mistaken, is basically making money off his Name, Image, and/or Likeness.  Or at least the intention to do so in the future.  He may not be interested in direct payments but he is interested in NIL.  I actually think he's doing it the right way, just wants to play as early as possible to take advantage of it.

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WayOfTheRoad

December 19th, 2022 at 2:53 PM ^

Posted a while back that Moore was a no-go for a while. Zero offense to him personally but I've read GOJ posts here for years and his take on the Moore recruitment back then was the first thing to ever make me think he may be making things up and/or simply reforming paysite info. His claim was that the staff felt "really good" about Moore and the feeling was being reciprocated. 

The problem being that I know his coaches and talk to them quite a bit. They all told me straight-up that he wasn't going to Michigan. Not in a nasty way but that whatever was going on there early just wasn't there anymore. He supposedly hadn't spoke to the staff in weeks with the last run of communications being minimal. Moore was supposed to go to the school on his own a bunch and always canceled. Etc. All the while he was big on everyone from ND to TA&M. Oregon was there but not seen as the definite pick.

To reply to your comment, the reasons given were never made clear as that's not exactly the relationship we have. I just wouldn't ask why or the like and even if I did they aren't the types to say. The feeling I got from gathering everything said collectively is that playing early was very, very important to Dante and money is money so a lot of money is nice. This says nothing about Moore as a person because they genuinely like the kid. Coaches will gush about their kid just because he plays for them so unless the kid is true menace you have to find the concerns nestled between the love. With Dante it was always 100% positive. Zero backhanded compliments or negatives ever shared. The kid wants to play and make some money. Who can blame him?

Anyway, so to read GOJ say "the staff feels good about it" when his coaches are saying that he doesn't talk to UM with any regularity anymore threw some red flags up for me. The Moore recruitment was already over for Michigan back then at the time of posting that. Both sides already moved on, though I do think DG got him to visit the campus one more time after that point and it went nowhere.

So it was first early playing time, then money. I'd also guess that he seems to have wanted to leave the area.

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FrankMurphy

December 19th, 2022 at 3:57 PM ^

The sense I always got is that he wants to get out of Michigan (which means neither we nor Sparty ever really stood a chance). And I get that. Those of us who grew up in Michigan, we all went to high school with kids who had zero interest in going to UofM or MSU and couldn't wait to graduate so they could leave Michigan.

Nothing wrong with that. Best of luck to the kid.

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Willstud99

December 19th, 2022 at 3:53 PM ^

This is such a tired take, I don’t think not committing to Michigan translates to “I don’t care about winning.” Both the coaches he’s committed to run high powered passing offenses, something I don’t think Weiss/Moore/Harbaugh can (or should) promise to high level QB recruits. This is very clearly going to be a run first offense for the foreseeable future and DM probably looked at us and decided his skill set wouldn’t be maximized in that context. It’s possible to be upset that we lost out on a dude who’s probably going to be really good and simultaneously respect his decision instead of declaring him to be some self-interested and greedy rube who doesn’t love football

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MMBbones

December 19th, 2022 at 12:53 PM ^

I posted a thread about MSU a bit ago, for which I am getting deservedly negbanged, but Dante was my motivation for taking a glance at RCMB. (Yeah, that's disturbing. I shall mention it to my therapist later this week) But I didn't see anything posted at the time. Probably due to oblivion? We would be melting down if we actually expected the young man to come here. 

Tuck never had a chance. He's probably a nice guy to sit and have a beer with, but...no....

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