OT: Carolyn Bryant, the woman who accused Emmett Till of whistling at her, is dead.
Ding dong, the racist pig is dead
,https://nypost.com/2023/04/27/carolyn-bryant-donham-woman-at-center-of-emmett-till-killing-dies/
Carolyn Bryant, the woman who accused Emmett Till of whistling at her thus provoking her violently racist husband and brother-in-law to torture and kill the 14 year old child, has died.
I hope that she spends all of eternity in the lowest level of Hell.
I highly recommend “The Blood of Emmett Till” by Timothy Tyson. Some interesting information on the case.
April 27th, 2023 at 12:46 PM ^
Will anderson no matter what.
You pancake eating MOFO!
April 27th, 2023 at 12:47 PM ^
I'm no fan, but the downside is that as those who were there and committed these heinous crimes are dying, it becomes more difficult to get the entire story and admissions. Of course, bringing them all to true justice didn't happen, and would have required a very different South at the time.
Also, be careful celebrating death for anyone. Not because they don't deserve your contempt, but because perhaps it lessens the celebrator.
April 27th, 2023 at 12:57 PM ^
I appreciate what you are saying, but reading about what they did to Emmett leaves me with full of contempt.
One of the killers, JW Milam, was a decorated WWII tanker in Europe. He fought Nazis and then came home and behaved like a member of the SS Einsatzgruppen. One of a couple cruelly ironic aspects of this case.
Some people are just violent by nature. They don’t care who they are killing.
Kind of like how Hitler wouldn't let his chef boil lobsters alive, as it was too cruel. Shit-ass human lizard brains are really good a compartmentalizing emotions.
Last movie I watched in a moviehouse. A guy rolls into town, kills around 25 people including women. On the way out he kills a dog and the whole place loses it mind.
You haven't seen a movie since the first John Wick?
People aren't desensitized to killing of companion animals the way they are to the killing of humans. (What a statement that is)
April 27th, 2023 at 12:57 PM ^
Nah bad people leaving this earth is a net positive and I don't care what anyone thinks about me for celebrating it.
Dave Chapelle has a great commentary in one of his stand up specials regarding her and how her lie helped charge the civil rights movement. Nothing really to add except it's a perspective that I'm not sure I'm mature enough to express.
1950s Mississippi Delta (which is not the same place as the Mississippi River Delta) was a hard, tough place. Justice was always going to be difficult there. There's been some progress, but it still IS a fairly tough place --- it's the one region where Segregation Academies are still prominent.
If one believes in a higher power --- justice is in His/Her hands now. I'll leave that judgment to Him/Her.
Back in 2007 I bought a 97 Trans Am on line from a dealer in Houston and decided to drive it back home instead of shipping it. My route back to Cleveland took me through Mississippi and at the end of a long day of driving I stopped at a random Holiday Inn Express somewhere in that state. This was the first time I ever stepped foot inside there. This wasnt a major city but wasnt out in the country either - it was a hotel right off the expressway.
That night I went down to the hotel bar and it was pretty full (it was a Friday night) and I sat at the bar and had a couple of drinks. While I was there a nicely dressed black man about the same age as me (mid 40's at the time) sat down next time and tried to get a drink. After being ignored by the bartender for several minutes he finally got her attention and placed an order. She looked him dead in the eye and said "we dont serve your kind here" and walked away.
2000 and fucking 7.
Eff racism.
Yeah, I was still just a kid in his early 20s, but I have a similar story from 2000 in Indianola, Mississippi.
I was last in the Mississippi Delta region in 2017. I've also been to places like McDowell County, WV ... the Indian Reservations in western South Dakota ... some bombed-out urban neighborhoods.
To me, no single place has felt as opportunity-limited and structurally challenged as the Mississippi Delta.
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If anyone's ever been to Memphis --- it gives one a feel for the region. I'd personally describe Memphis as a mix of "Detroit, Mississippi Delta, and New Orleans."
When I graduated in 1982 with a teaching degree, I attended a couple of job fairs with several school districts from out of state. One rep was from Mississippi. I distinctly remember him telling me that his district was a great place for a young teacher who wanted to avoid the problems that came with working in an "urban environment."
It didn't take a lot of effort to crack that code. Plus, the beginning salaries for teachers in Mississippi was less than I'd have made as a night manager at a 7-Eleven. Hard pass.
I mean, I was once refused being able to use the bathroom at Planned Parenthood once because "this isn't Planned Fatherhood you know".
Some people are just assholes and let themselves be radicalized to excuse their behavior. Happens on all sides of every significant disagreement.
I've been pleased in my life at how few and far between these events have happened. Especially compared to how much the news emphasizes their occurence.
Happens on all sides of every significant disagreement.
Oh really?
Talk about false equivalences, my dude. Jeebus that's a tone deaf response.
It's also so ridiculous it's likely raw bullshit.
Actually, 100% truth. I wish my brain operated faster than it does, because I could obviously have retorted that fathers are parents as well, but alas, not my strength.
I forget that there are quite a few of you who fall into that radicalization category.
Finally, I am by no means trivializing what happened between the races back 50+ years ago. Truly awful and although I can understand theoretically why the "land of the free" didn't operate that way in practice, I'll never understand it deep down in my bones.
I'm also 100% glad I was born into an era where it's in the past (for the most part).
Whew boy, where to begin? How does not being able to walk into a private business and use the bathroom - you weren't a patient, I assume - equate to being refused service based on the color of your skin? Are you seriously trying to compare the two?
Also the OP mentioned this "between the races" event occurred in 2007. Mentioned it twice, actually. If that makes me "radicalized" against racist motherfuckers and institutionalized racism then guilty as charged.
Seriously can't believe you doubled-down on this nonsense.
April 27th, 2023 at 10:40 PM ^
Oh, you aren't radicalized against racists, as I most certainly am not one. But you are most certainly radicalized against people who don't share your exact opinion. I think racism exists, but fortunately incidents are few and far between given the 300 million people who live here.
I wasn't a patient, however my ex-wife was. Refusing to let me use the bathroom because I was male is no different than refusing service to that man because he was black. Both people were just being assholes, whatever their self-justification.
April 28th, 2023 at 10:52 AM ^
It's not an opinion to say that your anecdotal experience is different than what the OP described. I'm sorry you don't see the difference but I'm not going to waste words on a sports blog trying to explain it to you. I do sincerely hope that you're just posturing and you don't truly think that both incidents are simply people being assholes.
Username checks out
I'm glad you posted this. It will help me remember when I see "Carpetbagger" posts, they're coming from someone who is in the "what racism" mindset.
If you knew more than one procedure performed at Planned Parenthood, you would likely have chosen a different organization for your story.
I went to Planned Parenthood several times while in college for varying services. I am a man. I was treated the exact same as the women in the waiting room.
Your story is complete bullshit and it makes you look really bad.
I mean, I was once refused being able to use the bathroom at Planned Parenthood once because "this isn't Planned Fatherhood you know".
yeah, me too, except i was at buckingham palace and prince charles told me to leave because i wasn't "member of the royal family" or whatever, and oh wait, i'm making up my story, too.
I'd bet $20 that never happened.
Buddy of mine had a similar experience in the 2010s in a bar...in Rhode Island. I still can't believe that story but that shit still happens. Absolutely crazy.
This thread in general is weird though. That was an important moment in our history and the civil rights movement but not sure we should have a thread about it on this here mgoblog.
Why not? It’s the offseason. Not like we have games to talk about.
In season I would not posted this out of respect for the rules.
MGrowOld,
what did you do when that happened and thinking about it now would you have done anything differently?
Great question. I’ve thought about that moment a LOT since it happened and I’m ashamed to say I did nothing. I just watched it happen in disbelief. He left without incident or saying a word and everything went on as it had before he arrived.
I’m not very proud of myself.
April 28th, 2023 at 10:57 AM ^
Just wanted to say that I appreciate your honesty here. Most people would love to say they would have acted in that situation, but there are a lot of factors - shock, anger, and (let's face it) fear - that can hold you back. Also, creating a scene would probably have made the experience even worse for the victim. Anyway, we all have moments where we wish we had acted differently and I think admitting that is a big step in how we respond in the future.
Great question and a rare double post in response
I've lived from Michigan to Florida and I'm not here to defend the south (segregation academies still abound and not just in Mississippi. Most are called "Christian schools") however some of the most vile, racist shit I've heard has been in suburban Detroit. It's all over, unfortunately.
Well,there is this time...https://blackthen.com/detroits-eight-mile-wall-or-is-it-the-eight-mile-wall-of-shame/
My mom was born there, her parents born and raised, and we still have lots of family there. The stories my mom told me as a kid were just sad and infuriating. There was a reason why MLK referred to it as "the hotbed of hatred" and never went there. The final straw for my grandfather was when Medgar Evers was killed in front of his family. He decided he wasn't going to raise his family there and got the hell out. He said he didn't want kids growing up without him because he went to prison for being sick and tired of being sick and tired.
Your last sentence reminds me of a great line from the movie 42 (RIP Chadwick Boseman).
“Do you think God likes baseball?”
”I don’t know Rickey, what does that even mean?”
”It means one day you’re going to meet God, and when he asks you why you didn’t take the field against Robinson, and your answer is that it’s because he was a Negro, it may not be a sufficient response!”
Movie was good not great, and I don’t know if Branch Rickey ever actually said that to the Phillie’s owner, but it was a very powerful line. And I’m not even a religious type.
You're right that time certainly does change the narrative... look at the Civil War and the "Daughters of the Confederacy"... turning the South into almost sympathetic figures.
Sadly, Nazis, though less so, are in the same boat.
People die off and the narrative changes... often softening the extreme nature of what occurred.
Doesn't help when some people are actively trying to make textbooks ignore or soften the extreme nature of what occurred
No, it doesn't help - and that usually arises from those that agreed with or at least were complicit with what happened, or, as i said, in time, there's a need to have a "counterpoint" because I think our brains typically want to insist that there are at least SOME valid points on each side of an argument or issue. So, instead of it being 100-0... we hedge and say, okay, well, the way they went about it.. or.. the messaging was off, but... there's a rationalization that tends to happen to try and explain illogical, "evil", or generally irrational things.
Once those that were a part of it, or lived through it, are gone... those voices tend to get louder and there's no counterpoint from anyone who was in that experience.
"The holocaust never happened" crowd... in 50-100 years.. will continue to gain merit... because nobody who was around for it, will be there to refute it.
Not intending to start a religious debate, as forbidden on the site, but just a comment on the pursuit of justice. When man fails to bring true justice in cases like this, having faith that there is Someone who will deliver true justice is of great comfort.
That is all.
April 27th, 2023 at 12:49 PM ^
Can't imagine this post is long for the world but imagine living with that on your conscience for that long. This is assuming she cared at all, really don't know anything about her.
April 27th, 2023 at 12:52 PM ^
Why wouldn’t it last? She is an important historical person. Noting her death shouldn’t be controversial.
lol, you've been here far to long to ask why a board topic like this won't last. The lifecycle of any board topic like this is usually about an hour before it's locked an/or deleted.
People like that don't have a conscience, they justify their actions in their own mind
April 27th, 2023 at 12:50 PM ^
This closes a horrible episode of arbitrary hatred. Who knows why that woman called down the wrath of her racist family on that poor child, but I bet she’s suffered plenty for it. Just not like Emmitt.
Just gonna go out on a limb and say because she's racist and likes racism, she also had a lot of chances for atonement and never took them. She's not a victim here.