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OT - buying a new laptop/looking for advice
If you are buying a laptop and vidoe camera, I suggest you consider going all in with Apple and get either a MacBook + iPhone or possibly straight iPad with keyboard.
You didn't state how serious you are when it comes to video quality or how much word processing you do. So I am just going off what works for me and the Apple line up is it. I was going to buy a video camera to video my kids at events, etc but have found that my iPhone works just fine. Not only that, I've always got it with me so I never miss an opportunity. I do not miss the days of carrying the SLR, the video recorder, and the cell phone.
Now, if you are more serious about videography and are looking for high-production quality, etc., then I'm afraid I can't help you. But if you are just an average Joe looking for a 1-2 combo, I recommend you consider MacBook + Iphone 5/Ipad or Ipad by itself.
Apple 100%. No question.
Definitely what this person said. I am an accountant, and Microsoft office for the Mac is barebones... I'd suggest looking at apples version. But I love my Mac and I'll get another one once my current one dies (6 years and running like a champ)
As much as I don't like Apple products because of the company's policies and the "tax", for the OP this sounds like a good bet. If you don't mind the closed eco-system, the intregration between the products is good and the functionality is fine for most users. I'm still an engineer so I like being able to upgrade my devices as needed and really hack away at then, but for most users Apple is fine. My only issue is that you really wind up paying hundreds of dollars more for the same physical system.
Realistically though, If you are doing video editing (which im assuming you are because of the camera) macs are legitamitly good at that.
I highly recommend you do not buy from a store as well, you can honestly get one for cheeper using next day delivery from a store online (newegg is my go to).
Ive got an Asus 17" laptop quad core 2.8 ghz with 500gb hd, 4gb ram, and a nice video card for under 800 bucks. its never had any issues at all. I love it. That said, I am a tech guy (ive built 2 computers from scratch) and i am able to trouble shoot any issues i come across. I have had no such troubles in the 2 years ive had this laptop, but there is something to be said about fixing your own problems on technology. If you need to buy a mac due to the idiot proofness of it thats fine. I got my mom an iphone for that same reason.
What your chart doesn't show is that:
- The software on the Mac is worlds better than on the HP. I'm not an AV guy, but Cyberlink DVD Suite and the other software listed isn't on the same level as what you'd get on a Mac.
- The Mac quality is worlds better than on the HP. In our family we've had Dells, Acers, HPs, Lenovos, etc. and every single one of them has had something break after a year or so. My MBP is three years old this year and except for one ding on the cover where I dropped something on it, you'd never be able to tell.
- You can get a very well equipped MBP for way less than $2,799.
That said, you can go through a few Windows notebooks for the price of one MacBook. I have nothing against Windows, I use it every day at work and actually really like Windows 7. If you're looking for inexpensive but still functional, a $500-$800 Windows laptop would be just fine. If you're looking for a way to do a lot of video editing and are willing to spend a bit more for quality of materials and polished software, a Mac is the right choice.
I don't know anyone personally that has bought a Mac and decided that it was a poor decision.
Exactly this. It's so ridiculous to just post side by side stats as if that tells the entire story. There is something to be said about paying more for a product that works (and works consistently).
I had to also chuckle at the OS comparison between these two laptops (Mac OS 10.5 - Vista). I bought my first personal laptop with Windows Vista. That experience alone drove me to buy nothing but Macs ever since. Windows Vista was horrifying. It took me 5 minutes for my computer to load - when it was brand new. My work laptop at the time was a cheaper version of the MBP shown in the comparison, and it further convinced me to never go back to Windows. I'm sure Windows 7 or 8 is a much better experience, but Vista sucked the life outta me.
my windows 7 and 8 ssd computer fully loads in 15 seconds from being shut off.
I had a vista computer for 3 years and never ran into any problems.
Was vista a tire fire? for people who are unfamiliar with technology? yes.
OK...I guess I'll take my lumps from you in stride. I'm no technophile, but I do a ton of data analysis and computer programming on unix/linux systems, have used both windows and mac extensively for 2+ decades, and can generally troubleshoot most computing issues on my own. But my Dell laptop (upgraded memory at the time, not entry level specs, etc) + Vista experience was unbelievably nightmarish and I spent far too many hours trying to "enhance" that experience by pestering technical support and researching the web for solutions. No more Windows for me.
Like i said before, apple makes good products. they just remove the customizability in order to give you more robustness. I completely understand your situation where bad experiences drive you away. I personally dont need the mac robustness and i dont care to be trendy. What i use computers for it would be silly for me to purchase anything other than a windows pc.
This was a thread about a guy asking for opinions. I gave him mine, which to reiterate was in his case he should buy one but personally dont like them. I then gave some explinations and justifications.
Wasnt looking to deal any lumps. preference is preference like you said earlier. I do recomend you get familiar with the buisness and see if that skews your opinion at all. given the choice between 2 otherwise comperable setups prefer giving my money to the less shady group.
Here is a puppy.
Im out of here before i get sent to bolivia by the apple fanboys.
I dont buy apple products because I understand technology and I use my computer for gaming. Apple products are the best in the buisness for video editing. Beyond that they are overpriced and under engineered.
On top of all of that, I disagree with the buisness model that apple uses. In a similar line to people who dislike nike for their buisness decisions.
Apple products are exlusive and rapidly replaced. So not only are you "forced" to replace the products more often, but you are forced to buy expensive accessories that come standard from other companies. Additionally, if you have heard about the samsung lawsuit, I have lost any respect i had for them. Years ago apple admitted to taking other peoples technologies and wraping it in a new pretty box. but to turn around and sue a company for billions of dollars because the product was "substanially the same" is a farce.
Apple make reliable, userfriendly, robust, trendy, cool looking products. anyone who tells you differently is a fanboy and should be ignored. Depending on the application (which in this case is video editing which is the one thing mac is unquestionably better than windows) macs are a great option. That said, based on what ive mentioned earlier, i will never own an apple product.
Agreed on gaming. I've got a PC that I built for that purpose, among others.
Understanding technology should not exclude you from owning a Mac. Walk through a computer science department sometime and you'll see just as many Macs as PCs.
The business model argument is fine, that's up to you. If you disagree with their practices, I can't argue with that.
However, I haven't been "forced" to replace anything. My three year old MBP still runs just as well as it did the way I bought it. I upgraded the RAM, but only because I was doing some coding for large multithreaded scientific optimization programs and needed it. I haven't been "forced" to buy any expensive accessories, either. The "new pretty box" they use is a single piece of aluminum that is still in as good of shape now as it was when I bought it. The hinge is still great, the keyboard is still great, no chunks have fallen off or cracked, etc. etc. No one is stopping other manufacturers from upping their build quality, they just don't do it.
There's no right answer here, all comes down to personal preference.
As someone who has worked as an engineer in Silicon Valley for almost 12 years I can tell you two things that all the engineers out here know. One, Apple and Google have the best engineering talent in the Valley. And two, Apple's hardware products are incredibly well engineered.
Thank you. If someone thinks Apple products are under engineered, then they don't really know technology like they claim.
The iphone 4 inovative antenna design.
(someone had the phone in their back pocket. iphone 5. 30 minutes after purchse)
Google is the best in the buisness hands down. Thats why their employeys are the most saught after for tech positions in the world.
Apple is a fantastic marketing company which recyles tech in a clean package easy for people to use it.
Do you know who makes the computers most popular among Google engineers? Apple.
Do you know who makes the web software most popular among Apple engineers? Google.
Do you know why? Because in both cases it's the best, and the engineers know it.
And here's something else you might not know. Google engineers and Apple engineers are the same people. You wouldn't believe the number of employees of one or the other that were offered by both. If you get into one you're a world class engineer, and everyone in the valley knows it.
Real recognize real son.
Now go back to your games.
I did an on-site interview at Google about six weeks ago. I wasn't specifically keeping track, but I'd estimate that if I saw 15 laptops while I was on their campus, probably 13 of those had an Apple logo on the back. The only person that I can specifically remember using a non-Apple laptop? The HR recruiter, who was using a Lenovo.
I didn't end up getting an offer from them, I've taken a position with one of their Enterprise partners. We have a number of remote employees (I'm one), so I don't have exact stats, but based on my week at our corporate headquarters, I'd estimate that roughly 80% of our engineers are writing software on Macs.
The smartest people you know use Macs, especially if they're writing anything other than .NET code. The smartest people they know are using Macs, too.
I know this thread is a bit old so who knows if it is relevant anymore, but the argument that Mac video editing software is somehow immensely better than similar software on the PC drives me crazy. Yes, the standard Mac installation comes with iMovie or whatever it is called now, but that cost is included in the price of the unit you just bought. Let's say you buy a 15" non-Retina Mac - that's about 1,800 dollars per Apple's site. You can get similar specs in an Acer/Asus/HP for comfortably under $1,000. With the extra savings, you can just get software like one of the Adobe packages or try a couple of free options like Windows Movie Maker. So yes, out-of-the-box Mac's software is better, but given the cost you can get better software from a third-party provider that is comparable for most users.
Who in their right mind constructed this awful juxtaposition. Comparing a 2,799 mac with a crapbox PC laptop is just unfair. Why not a worthwhile PC laptop? This argument is being boiled down to mac vs the shittiest PC option.
no kidding, at least put a dell inspiron or a lenova side by side with that MBP.
Dell hasn't made a nice computer in a long time.
my dell inspiron intel i5 going on 4 years disagrees with that assertion.
I think you might be overestimating the life of your laptop. Wikipedia says that the Core i5 wasn't announced until Sept. 2009 and that there weren't any i5 based laptops available for purchase until well into 2010.
I don't know anything about video cameras, but you should NOT buy a computer in a store. You're just going to get hustled by a sales clerk who doesn't know that much about computers anyway. Do your research online and buy the computer from the MFC on their website. I have had good luck with Lenovo/IBM Thinkpads btw.
Meh, For things like computers and technology, I want to put my hands on it right away. I don't want to wait 2 or 3 days for shipping.
I like using newegg, but for computers and things, I can't wait. :(
You should seriously consider an Apple MacBook Pro. Spend the extra $$$ and save yourself a lot of headache from spam and other crap in the future. I don't like the Apple brand and how they do business, but I don't think you can beat their laptops.
Have had mine for 3 years now and still running like the first day I bought it. No slowdowns, lag or viruses.
I largely agree with this, except the part about spam and virii. They are on the uptick recently because insidious types are figuring out that the market footprint of Mac is high enough now that the investment is worth the reward in terms of stolen material. Despite some biased claims, Macs are no harder to break into and infect than other systems. The lack of prominent virii should not be confused with difficulty in creating such attacks. But if you take precautions, I agree that the Mac hardware holds up reasonably well (provided you are okay with a box that is difficult to upgrade and will depreciate in effectiveness over time).
If you're going to be filming and editing anything, then as others said, it has to be Apple MacBook without a doubt. To add to that, if you're serious and want some good software for touching up your videos, Final Cut Pro all the way.
I've had nothing but PCs my entire life and I finally caved and bought a MBP last year and it's the best decision I've ever made. I will never in my life buy another PC as long long as I live. I only wish I had enough money for an iMac. The only time I can see myself buying another PC is for a desktop.
I hate shopping I don't wanna compare brands upon brands. I walk in, buy what I want, and leave.
Agreed. Apple is your choice. Now whether it be an Air or Pro or Retina Pro, choices, choices.
personally, i would do an Air or Retina, depending on your needs.
I personally didn't think the retina was worth an extra 300 bucks or so. That's a few nights at the bar. If you're just like me and want something reliable for school and light internet browsing, I'd skip out on it. Put the money towards Apple Care. Also, if you have an Amex or Discover buy it on that. They'll give you a year extra warranty on top of the manufacturer (this goes for all appliances/electronics you buy).
I'm in the same boat. Owned multiple PC's then move on to a MBP. Owned it for a year and a half and have had zero issues.
on exactly what you are trying to do. Do you want to take video and edit it? For Youtube or professionally? Or is the laptop for school or work? If you want to professionally edit video, then a laptop is the wrong way to go.
For computing power. MacBook Air/iPad if you travel a lot. iMovie has great movie editing/creating features.
if you have a membership they have great deals. in ten years ive bought two laptops, spent $500 a piece (and they actually refunded me the price of one because after three years the charger broke) and never had any real problems with them. plus their support/warranty is phenomenal
Not to highjack the thread but there are so many fellow Apple fans here, any tips on cleaning the aluminum outer shell? For some reason there are some yellow stains on the outside. IDK how they got on there. I think I might have not put it in my case when I left it on my backpack and there was a highlighted sheet of paper against it.
I have the white case on mine and I used a mr clean magic eraser it works wonders, it also works on stainless appliances. It's worth a shot
I'm in a similar situation as the OP, but my grad program utilizes software that's minimally compatible w/ Apple OS. We get this is an Apple world, but what's choice #2? I have an HP now, but I got annoyed by a manufacturing defect w/ overheating.
Already stated once, but look at this baby:
Better graphics than a macbook pro, comparable battery life, and half as expensive. It has a very comparable screen with similar color reproduction as the retina and better brightness if I remember right. This thing is a steal if you are looking for a 17" notebook. I'm waiting for the 15" version with the 8870 to drop in the US.
My MacBook is in it's 6th year and I couldn't be happier, but recently I helped my girlfriend shop around for PC's (on a budget). What I found is that Lenovo laptops are generally of higher quality and therefore price, but in the end, I went with the Asus because of a few specific search parameters (HDMI capable, backlit keyboard, $$$$). I've used it and actually like the machine a lot. Windows 8 is dumb on a laptop though.
Your username makes me feel like I should be downvoting your posts.
despite being a software developer who primarily uses Visual Studios. I've had the computer a little over a year, and I still think it's great despite the fact that I boot into Windows almost exclusively. The only thing I do on the Mac side is video editing once a month when I want to compile highlights of my infant. There are a couple of annoyances with being on a Mac, but the only one that still bugs me much is that I need to hit Fn+Delete to get the Delete key (otherwise it's a backspace). In retrospect, I probably wouldn't have spent the extra money to get a Mac when I'm just running Windows, except possibly for the video editing since I hate all the Windows video editing software I've tried, but I wanted to remind you that it's an option.
If you don't want to go with a Mac, I definitely recommend Lenovo based on friends' experiences.
well, if you want to run Mac OS X, buy a Mac.
amazingly, if you want to run Windows, well, buy a Mac.
if you want something cheap to surf the web, do email, etc., Chromebook is too cheap to ignore.
I run Mac OS X perfectly fine on my Windows PC. It's a virtual environment, but that's the same thing Mac does.
...aaaaand not regret it once. If you want a bargain get a PC. If you want superior performance and software, get the Mac.p
or MacBook Pro
or Mac mini
or Mac Pro (wait, they're updating them soon)
or I guess you could use an ipad with a wireless keyboard like I use sometimes.
This is all assuming you need something larger than an iphone ;-)
I am pretty objective when it comes to computers. I think the Mac/PC debate is stupid because you can find still find a good computer that will suit your needs. With that said, I believe Apple is simply making the better product at the moment. The MacBook Pro seems to be a tank and I can't wait to replace my HP Pavilion with something that will give me more than (lit'rally) 5 minutes of battery.
Oh yeah--I love my Mac Mini too. That should definitely be considered. Spend $40, upgrade the ram to 16GB, and congratulations, fella: you've stamped your ticket to Cloud 9.
My mini's start-up disk is starting to give me "clear space messages" and is that easier than a back up drive like a WD external hard drive?
He's talking about RAM, which is the memory a computer uses to operate, and it sounds like you're talking about space left on your hard drive. Upgrading RAM will make your computer faster but won't do anything for you if you're running out of space to save files.
Yep, the Mac/PC debate is a bit silly. However, the Apple/HP/Lenovo/Asus/etc. debate is pretty one sided except for price. I love my MBP for the hardware more than for the software. I'd take a MBP running Windows over another brand running OSX in a heartbeat.
Your best value is most likely going to be an ASUS. ASUS produces a lot of computers that other manufacturers rebrand. Price out computers at bestbuy.com writing down the processor and video card(or which integrated video) then see where each fits in the hierarchy at tomshardware.com. Dont buy based on brand, buy based on processor/video card vs cost. Oh, and make sure it has a HDMI out...You'll be surprised how much content you end up streaming to the TV.
I'm not real big on the whole Mac/PC debate and here's why. A lot of people form their opinion of PC's based on the mediocre $300-600 range of computers. They experience what they do with those and then form their opinion of PC's. Now Mac doesn't bother with that price range and only makes higher end computers that'll have much better componentry than your average PC. Thus people quickly see that this is better, as it should be, and go straight to saying that Mac>PC when in reality its more of a Mac=PC type thing in my opinion.
Coming out of high school I bought a high end PC with a lot better componentry than I would have gotten on a similiarly priced Mac (Dell XPS). I love it and after 3 years of abuse in my backpack and falling off dorm beds its still going strong. I have friends with Macs that are also quite pleased with their product. However, most my friends that bought cheap computers have hated their experience and have already bought new ones.
Basically you can't go wrong as long as you avoid the whole market of cheap computers. Those are the ones that people have the most problem with. Maybe see if you can mess around with some at the store, but definitely don't buy it there as others have said. Deals a plenty are to be found online.
Agreed, comparing a $400 Dell/HP Consumer PC to a MBP isn't exactly 'apples to apples.' That being said, if you buy w/ a PC avoid Win8 like the plague and make sure you get a Commerial PC. They're built with higher end compenents and typically carry a 3/3/3 warranty (like the HP Elitebooks or Lenovo Thinkpads).
Also agreed w/ not buying in store. Go, check them out, but then look for deals on NewEgg/Provantage/Tiger Direct/etc.
Get the samsung series 7 with the AMD 8870 GPU. A seriously nice computer with great power and 10 hours battery for only $1200? That is a steal!
You don't need virtualization software to run Windows on a Mac. Boot Camp will help users partition their drives and set up a dual boot system pretty quickly. If you're just trying to run a virtual machine, the free install of VirtualBox is enough to do that pretty nicely. The only reason to pay for the virtualization software is if you're trying to use something like VMWare Fusion, which will allow you to run Windows apps like they were OSX apps. Many people want to do that, and I'm not saying that something like Fusion is a bad idea, I'm just noting that if all you want to do is run Windows, you can do it for just the cost of the Windows License.
Once you go Mac you never go back
Did all my programming on a Mac for 4 years and I'll never pay for one.
I just watched dealsea for good deals on laptops and then looked up the reviews online as they came up to see what was good and what wasn't. Managed to get myself a pretty good laptop for $399. I definitely recommend doing your research online before buying anything
Whatever brand you eventually decide to purchase, I would advise against trying to save a few bucks by getting a refurbished product.
New = untested, potentially DOA. Refurbished = 100% guarantee in working order
I'd throw my voice in with the Mac crowd as well. I have a Windows PC, and was always a Windows guy until I was given a Mac as a work laptop a couple of years ago -- it's now unlikely that I'll ever purchase another non-Mac laptop. Why?
The short answer is that because so many PC manufacturers spend all their time trying to figure out how to make PCs cheaper and cheaper, they wind up making laptops that feel really cheap. They're plastic, the screens aren't very good, the keys have a really subpar feeling and the mousepad is a serious pain to use. All of those things have been slowly getting better, but the difference between a plastic body with seams and a single-piece aluminum frame like on the Macs is night and day. The Macs end up feeling both lighter and stronger when you hold or use them, and that makes a big difference. They're more expensive -- even an entry-level Macbook Air is going to wind up being better than twice the price of a comprable Windows Laptop, but that Windows box just doesn't have the same quality of manufacture or ease of use (OSX as an operating system is basically built around the Laptop Hardware that Macs are selling. The two fit together like a glove).
You'll pay more, but as an investment in a long-term computing solution, the Mac is easily the best choice. I recommend it wholeheartedly.
You're paying 2x as much so that the laptop feels nicer? Honestly, if OP is just going to be clicking around the internet, using Word / Excel, etc. go with the PC. I got my last PC for $400. It works fine. I've had it for 2 years and it is showing some age, so I'll probably buy a new one pretty soon... for about $400. If you're only going to use your laptop to take some notes in class and typical work, I've yet to be sold on having to shell out $1,200+ for a basic Mac. I know they're a better product, but are they all 3 or 4 TIMES better? Plus, viruses are now being designed for Apple products because they have a significant market share, before I'm pretty sure it just wasn't worth designing viruses for Apple products because there weren't enough of them. Essentially: if you actually USE your computer for actually "computing" things go with a Mac... if you need a laptop for Word and Facebook, go with a PC.
Easy with the bold letters, sport. I own a PC, but I love my iPhone 4S. If I had $1200 plus to blow on a MAC, I would. PC's have become the poor man's computer.
Not sure if this is from Herm or not since he didn't sign it. Proceed with caution.
needs more bold.
also, if you just need document editing and facebook, google chromebook is the way to go.
If you're using a computer just for basic word processing and surfing Facebook...honestly, an iPad is the way to go. Or an MS Surface, if that's your thing. Maybe a Nexus 10. Whatever floats your boat, really.
We bought a Toshiba Satellite laptop a while back and have had nothing but problems with it. The battery didn't even last a year, so we can't unplug it. It's complete garbage.
... I bought a Toshiba Satellite S7409 nearly six years ago (just before the football season started in... wait. never mind)
I've upgraded the RAM, installed Windows 7 and Ubuntu, swapped out the HDD for a larger capacity. It's running just as well as the day I got it. No virus trouble, does every thing I ask of us.
Some of the keys are starting to wear through from constant use, and I leave it plugged in all the time, so the battery is slowing down. But that's about it, after six years.
Lenovo and HP laptops at work. With my own money, only Macs. For the OP and either simple or complex video editing a MBP would seem the better choice. Don't forget educational or corporate discounts, if they apply. Haven't paid full price for a Mac in over 20 years (yes my first one was the 2nd model to come out). Highly recommend AppleCare on laptops due to extra abuse they get moving around. Unibody case though will eliminate many previous issues that the plastic cases had. Productively getting 7 years plus out of the Macs. Knowing how much the support desk is called at work for the Windows PCs I use, and the 4 or 5 year refresh, seems like better TCO for the Macs. And I can still open a Unix shell window if I need to.
For consumer cameras, I've had so-so luck with Sony. But I've certainly gotten used to the interface. Make sure to get HD in this day and age.
I would focus less on the "brand" and more on the features that are important to you, as well as the overall performance of the system. Lenova, Acer, Apple, and HP - to name a few - all have good laptops out on the market right now. None of them are perfect in all categories. Think of how you want to use the system. Prioritizing your needs will ultimately lead you to the best laptop for yourself. While a lot of users are saying to go with Apple, I went with a HP ultrabook back in February and am extremely happy with it. Also, I agree with another poster that Costco has the best deals that I've seen on warranty.
Unless you have difficulty with operating a personal computer, PC is the choice. Prices are competitive, there are options galore, and you can actually upgrade to prevent your computer from being obsolete the moment you take it home. Judging by this board, Apple has successfully sold dreams to most of the people here. Don't buy in, unless you make it a practice to throw money away.
I will be that guy. Screw OS X and Windows 8. Go with a Dell and install your fave version of Linux. I tend to go with Debian.
A Mac Book Pro retina display from this past fall. It is by far the best computer I have ever owned. Light, powerful and reliable. The only downside is the hard drive size, but the ssd drive is so fast I actually don't mind handing to carry an external.
You get what you pay for. Apples stuff is more expensive because they test the shit out of their hardware configurations to make sure it works correctly. After using windows for 15+ years I switched and il never go back. Besides, if you ever want to use windows, just get parallels or something like that. Best of both worlds.
Desktops at home. Desktops at work. Phone for in between. Tablet for the couch. Unless you're a student or have some weird job, don't buy a laptop.
Hooray for sweeping generaliztions about what will work best for everyone!
I prefer a laptop, even when I'm sitting on a couch watching videos. I don't want to have to prop up a tablet on my knees while I'm lying down.
At work I'm bouncing around between meetings and working from all over the place on our campus. Don't have a cubicle or a desk or an office.
Why the heck would you want a desk top for anything? Besides the fact that my employer provides one, I have no use for a desk top. MacBook Pro. Thank you very much.
my iphone & ipad work great when i want mobile & light; but I've almost filled all 12 Terabytes in my Mac Pro. If you can find me a Macbook that can hold that many naked pictures of Ernest Borgnine I'll take it.
If you're looking for a Windows laptop, there is a new reliability study just released by Soluto.
They rated the 10 best laptops based on Crashes, Hangs, Bootups, Hours spent in boot, BSoDs.
You can see the most reliable results here:
I know everyone is a HUGE Apple fan, but there are some other choices. The gap between the Mac and the rest of the field has dramatically decreased.
I have both Apple products and Dell products and there are advantages to both. I like my XPS tablet better than the iPad, but I like our iMac better than our Dell desktop.
XPS is the way to go if you're doing video (if you choose Dell).
Hope this helps a bit.
I love my touch screen iPhone. Do I dare switch to touchscreen for work (autocad)? Would an iPad be good enough?
I was as much of a PC loyalist as possible until I got my MacBook Pro and now I'll never go back
I am not in the market for a camera but the laptop/tablet is of interest and has been discussed here - any feedback on the SurfacePro independent of a camera?
I have a Surface RT (given one) and have used a Pro. I'm not sure if I'd get the pro over a Mac book Air, but it's an intriguing product. It has a beautiful screen, comes with a stylus and is probably the best ultra portable I've seen.
I think it's one product refresh away from being a world beater, but it's worth keeping an eye on.
like you I am always wary of the first offering - 2nd Gen always seems to be better- not just for obvious reasons.
How do you like the RT?
Long story short: it's alright.
I've always had some trouble figuring out where a tablet fits within my gadget hierarchy. When I need something quick and on the go, I have my phone. If I have to do real work, I use a laptop. That being said, I could see where the RT could be a better productivity device than the iPad, but I don't think it's a better "consumption" device. It also has some fit and finish issues which will probably be fixed over time.
- i like the keyboard cover
- I like windows RT more than iOS (yea.. I said it)
- includes versions of office products. You can actually read and modify office docs people send you. It comes in handy.
- USB port. You can actually take it on vacation and dump your photos on this thing... or use a real mouse.
- video out port. I had a friend actually connect up a surface and use it as a docked PC.
- nice screen and solid hardware
- flash sites sometimes work
- lack of apps
- odd behaviour at times. Things I'd never notice on an ipad
- poor "sleep" battery life. You can put an ipad to sleep and it'll still have charge weeks later. not so much with the RT.
- feels heavy, though it might be more a distribution thing than actual weight.
- awkward in portrait mode.
I have a Surface RT as well, and it's "all right". I got it because my company (like most of corporate America) uses Microsoft Office. Therefore, the requirements for the tablet I chose were:
- Must be COMPLETELY compatible with Office; any necessary rework to get PowerPoint slides to display corrected was an immediate disqualifier
- No more than 2 lbs, including cover and power supply
- Can be integrated with SkyDrive
- Email, calendar and contacts sync with MS Exchange (corporate standard)
I loved Apple's Keynote (I bought the app and tested it on my son's iPad), but two PowerPoint slide decks I viewed in Keynote rotated text blocks, changed font types, and so on. I realized major rework would have been required every time I went on the road (which is every week).
Android devices running Google Apps had similar issues to the iPad.
Net-net, the iPad and Android devices were out.
I do like the Windows 8 "Metro" (or whatever they call it now) interface. On a touch screen, it's reasonably intuitive. However, Office RT runs from the desktop, so immediately upon launching any Office app, the desktop is the first thing that appears as Office RT loads. It works, but it's kludgy.
I'm confident that Win 8 and RT will get better. I actually don't mind that there aren't as many apps in the Windows Store as in the Apple Store. That keeps the potential for malware down, which means security isn't as much of a concern as with full-blown Win 8 Pro.
I've been mostly a PC guy but I decided I needed to add a MacBook to the stable a few years ago. It's probably the worst electronics purchase I've ever made in my life, at least in terms of what I got for my money.
Mac's are UNBELIEVABLY overpriced. If you like paying 4 times more than you should for hardware, well, then yah, Mac's are great. I won't argue that my MacBook isn't a nice laptop. But was it worth what I paid for it? Absolutely not. Not even close.
I dual boot it and after a while I realized there was pretty much nothing on the Mac side that I needed it for. I pretty much just use it as a ridiculously overpriced Windows laptop. Yeah, it has a really nice keyboard and touchpad, I'll give you that. It also runs at about 10 billion degrees centigrade, meaning that it can't really sit on my lap unless I'm wearing jeans without burning me. That's probably my fault though for upgrading to the 7200 rpm drive, which I needed for some specialized stuff I do. And don't believe the hype about OSX being trouble free either. I've had just as many if not more issues with OSX as I've ever had with Wndows, though I won't deny that at this point I'm probably considered a Windows expert so I'm pretty good at getting around Windows systems.
Anyway, know people rant and rave about how much they love their Macs. I just don't see it. There is absolutely nothing my MacBook does that I couldn't have done for significantly cheaper. I won't argue that the build quality on the MacBook is really nice, but you can find well built laptops from other manufacturers for half the cost of Apple.
Apple is one hell of a marketing company. They sell people things for double/triple the price of everyone else and then get them to swear that somehow they still got a great deal.
Don't have a dog in this fight. Did not read your long post, but upvoted because all the Apple fans negd you for sharing a bad experience with a Mac.
Do not buy a Samsung. I bought a laptop from them and it quickly malfunctioned. I have had to send it in for repairs 3 times now. It has been a nightmare getting them to believe me that it is broken and to do the repairs. And they refuse to give me my money back even though I have only been able to use it for about 3 months out of 9.
Funny you should ask... been doing a bit of research on this myself.
If you are doing a lot of video work, and not involved in Hudl or something like that, I do suggest splurging for the MacBook.
Otherwise, take a look at something like this.
Currently, 500 dollars off. Great specs, good maker, good rep.
Funny that you posted this. The Y500 is currently going for $879 with coupon code SLICKDEALY500. Pretty nice price for a lot of power. Really nice display on this thing. 12 GB ram, i7 processor. Only downside to me is Windows 8; absolutely hate it.
The upside to PCs is the bang for the buck; the downside is it can be a crap shoot as to quality. It really does require time spent looking at reviews and customer feedback. At one time, Toshiba and Dells were consider quality products, not so much anymore.