OSU's Posey's Mom Blames NCAA for Players' Money Plights
I decided to see what they are saying in Columbus and ran across this story where Posey's mother blames the NCAA for not providing more than they do for college athletes. Frankly, I was a bit dumbfounded when I read the article. Instead of accepting responsibility for doing something dumb, she shifts the blame.
She blames the high cost of living in Columbus, among other things.
The Columbus dispatch is running a poll on whether Pryor stays or leaves - 85% have him leaving.
December 24th, 2010 at 6:53 AM ^
December 24th, 2010 at 9:27 AM ^
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/
Here's a link to this morning's Cleveland Plain Dealer's sport section. You'll notice that the OSU story is 12th behind such important sports stories as Tiger Wood's being dropped by Proctor & Gamble and Akron U's men's basketball team.
In other words.....EXACTLY as I predicted they would react several times earlier this year. Ohio media, if presented with the same opportunity that the Freep had will make every effort to bury the story, not call attention to it.
They have this wacky idea down here that alienating their readers is somehow bad for business. What rubes!
December 24th, 2010 at 1:01 PM ^
In Ohio, OSU is the ONLY program that anyone gives a d*mn about. Kelly wasn't at UC long enough for that program to gain any traction. Even alumns of other Ohio schools generally cheer for OSU first and their alma mater second.
Meanwhile in Michigan, there are two BCS schools (yes, MSU counts...stop snickering) and both have a large following. The Freep isn't really cutting their own throat with their Jihad against UM, they are merely aligning themselves with MSU fans. If any major newspaper in Ohio did that to OSU, they would probably go out of business in short order from cancelled subscriptions.
December 24th, 2010 at 6:56 AM ^
Columbus is very inexpensive to live in so I really dont understand that at all. But I do agree that expecting the student athletes to live in destitution since they have no time to take on jobs and the like is a bit cruel. Some token amount so they can go out with friends on occasion would not be the end of the world considering the millions the universities make off of these kids.
That being said...LOL...TUOOS....TP.....jackass....
December 24th, 2010 at 7:35 AM ^
plenty of money for rent/food that they have some left over for extras such as going out.
December 24th, 2010 at 10:43 AM ^
I worked full-time through college to pay for everything I wanted to do....I'm just saying they dont have the option to do that. I imagine its hard to save to travel for Spring break and travel over the Summer on what these kids get. I agree they probably and should get enough to pay for a college appt, books, food and cheep beer at happy hour at a bar with vomit under the tables--but I didnt have any desire to do that and maybe they dont either. Im just saying they dont have a real option unless mom and dad or a booster can pave the way.
Im not saying they dont have a sweet deal...I would have loved to have not had to pay my tuition and work all the time. But, I also did not have the athletic ability to help my school rake in millions every weekend. Im not bitter about it...its just the way things worked out. Faulting them for wanting more doesnt make sense....does anyone not want to be 'paid' more than they are?
December 24th, 2010 at 1:23 PM ^
get into a pay for play argument but they don't need to save money by working. They don't pay for tuition, books, or meals. They could easily use those thousands of dollars to pay for a vacation or trip if they wanted. No need to sell stuff that they knew was not allowed. I'm getting really sick and tired of the "I didn't know" defense...
December 24th, 2010 at 8:52 AM ^
That's b.s. about them not having money because they can't get jobs in the summer. All Division 1 scholarship athletes get a stipend from the university, housing and books paid for and they have more than enough time in the summer to get a job. They lift 2-2.5 hours about 4 days a week during the summer and take classes. They have plenty of time to have a part-time job in the summer if they are that desperate for money.
December 24th, 2010 at 7:44 AM ^
December 24th, 2010 at 8:21 AM ^
College athletes have pretty much everything (tuition, medical care, housing, food, transportation, clothing, etc) except tattoos paid for. It's not a perfect life...but it's far from destitution.
And calling Columbus, Ohio an expensive city has got to be a joke.
December 24th, 2010 at 11:46 AM ^
What part of getting all that for free and playing ball at Michigan doesn't sound perfect?
December 24th, 2010 at 9:15 AM ^
December 24th, 2010 at 11:03 AM ^
Players on the team told me that a lot of them are on food stamps.
December 24th, 2010 at 11:26 AM ^
December 24th, 2010 at 11:31 AM ^
I know a number of guys from college who got on food stamps. Anyone can do it if your income level is low enough and it's basically $200 a month for food. Good way to save money, basically.
December 24th, 2010 at 11:59 AM ^
December 24th, 2010 at 5:00 PM ^
...but they're not even actual stamps anymore, right? Aren't the food stamps issued via a debit card that looks like any other plastic bank card? No stigma at all.
December 25th, 2010 at 12:51 PM ^
It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of players are on food stamps. The government makes it easy to get on food stamps. My guess is most students could get on food stamps if they tried and probably a lot of non-student MGoBlog readers.
That being said ... they don't NEED to get on food stamps because their FOOD (not their extras like PS3 or tattoos) is already paid for.
December 24th, 2010 at 11:56 AM ^
In fairness to Ms. Posey, her statement is that Columbus is more expensive than Athens (Ohio U), where her other son is a student athlete, adding that the younger son is lower profile on a lower profile program, so he can live right down the street from the stadium without the "chaos" DeVier would be subject to.
Now as to the comparative pricing of tattoos in Athens...
December 24th, 2010 at 2:55 PM ^
I'm sure Ohio U. would happily accept Devier's transfer request. He could have gone there, and then he wouldn't have this "problem." What a DB!! Nobody forced him to go for the glitz of stardom to play at a high profile program like Ohio State.
December 24th, 2010 at 7:35 AM ^
enough said. She sounds like a perfect buck role model. Sad
December 24th, 2010 at 8:03 AM ^
In addition to room and board, football players at BCS schools receive a pell grant ($2000 or more) each semester, opportunity fund money, and "shoe and clothing money." After books, tuition, and other university expenses, players have 6 or 7 thousand dollars per nine month school year to work with. Their athletic departments gives them all of the basic clothing they need (T-shirts, sweatsuits, jackets, etc.). After their expenses are paid, these players have about $200 per week to play with.
The cost of living in Columbus is not terribly high. The cost of living large or living it up is high. I guarantee this kid blew his money in a club and on the latest fashions and fed his mother a line of BS that she repeated to the Dispatch.
December 24th, 2010 at 9:19 AM ^
the entitlement mentality that is held not only by players, but by their parents as well.
Do players with parents such as these ever have a chance to develop perspective?
December 24th, 2010 at 9:44 AM ^
It will take time and distance. When their local fame wanes, they will have to look at the world in another way.
December 24th, 2010 at 11:26 AM ^
This semester at michigan, not including room, board, books and tuition costs, I was budgeted about $200 of my OWN money, and I never once wasn't able to go out and do whatever the rest of my hall was doing, and I never even thought I was poor. They have at least ten times that and complain they are destitute?
December 24th, 2010 at 8:09 AM ^
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December 24th, 2010 at 9:30 AM ^
As the OP, I missed the OT rules...went ahead and reread the entire FAQ section...and changed the title.
Thank you for the heads up.
December 24th, 2010 at 9:39 AM ^
Who really gives a shit if it says OT or not next to the post? Did it have any impact on anyone actually clicking into it or reading it??I don't understand why someone always feels the need to be that guy and call out the poster that they did something horribly wrong??
December 24th, 2010 at 1:15 PM ^
the members of the board, because it's a FAQ. Meaning people ask a lot of questions about it..?
December 24th, 2010 at 7:44 PM ^
December 24th, 2010 at 7:40 PM ^
December 24th, 2010 at 8:15 AM ^
I had roommates who worked two jobs to pay their way through school which left them little time to do anything but work and study. I know the university is making money off these guys but unlike an NFL owner, the money actually ends up benefitting many, whether that be through research, scholarship opportunities for others, or upgrading facilities for the rest of the university to enjoy. IMHE, when you accept a scholarship from a university as a student athlete, not only are you getting an education (which some of these athletes don't care about), but you're contributing to the greater good for everyone and being the ultimate team player.
December 24th, 2010 at 3:00 PM ^
Well stated. I like the angle that the $$ the university brings in isn't just to fill the coffers. It funds other athletes in non-revenue sports to be able to enjoy a quality education.
December 24th, 2010 at 8:52 AM ^
I agree with her that the athletes deserve a slice of the pie. However, Posey did sign an agreement stating that he would play by the rules. As long as the rules are in place, any athlete is contracturally (and ethically) bound to obey them, and his mother's coments come off as little more than any criminal's mother saying "it isn't my boy's fault."
Maybe the real problem here is that OSU, with their "hostesses," "tutors," Escalades, and golden handshakes, has provided an atmosphere of gross non-compliance, and the players don't remember which rule they are breaking after awhile.
December 24th, 2010 at 10:02 AM ^
The athletes most definitely do not deserve a slice of the pie. First off--how would you slice it? Do all 85 members of the team get a slice, or does each player get to negotiate his own cut? What if your school's Ath. Dept. is not profitable? What is your football team is not profitable? The effect of this would be to take even more money out of a universitie's general fund, which at most schools are already strained. And these guys are already getting "paid". Out of state undergraduate tuition in the LSA (upper division) is $19,170 a semester. And these guys are not limited to the LSA. And this doesn't include books, meals, lodging, etc. As a student who worked around 30 hours a week when I was at M, for about $7.00/hr. on average, this looks like a pretty good deal.
The argument that they are contributing to breathtaking revenues for the foortball program, and are therefore being exploited for their skills is compelling at first glance, but not upon closer observation. These athletes are in effect being given an opportunity to showcase their skills for prospective employers (who pay very good wages) on the largest stage possible. It is not unlike an unpaid internship or a graduate rsearch fellowship, which both pay next to nothing, benefit the university, and contribute to high levels of revenue being generated by the university. This is called paying your dues and proving yourself.
This issue only comes up for a handful of players at big-time schools each year, the logic being that they could go to the NFL and play, but are barred by entry restrictions. While this is true for a handful of athletes at any given time (mostly juniors and seniors), it is not true for 99.999 % of freshman and sophmores. So we are going to demand that all athletes get a piece of the pie, when in reality only a small percentage of them could really earn money playing professionally? We are going to pay everyone because a very small minoroty of players cannot live within the rules?
December 24th, 2010 at 11:26 AM ^
You make good points though I think the issue is pretty grey and will remain so for a long time.
I have no problem with anyone complaining about the NCAA. Its shortcomings are numerous and obvious.
While Posey's mom's anger may seem misdirected, why does it necessarily have to be some sense of entitlement, as others are calling it here? I think it's likely she understands the inherent value her son brings to a booming industry and recognizes the very meager return he gets for his contribution relative to almost any other industry in a free market economy. She may not articulate it that way, but it's pretty obvious for most people to see. Your position that the top .01% are the only ones to which that argument applies even acknowledges it, so I think you may even agree at least a few of these kids are getting screwed.
I'd wager to guess that for the work you were performing at $7/hr. while at UM you were getting a market wage. You probably would have liked a few more bucks, but your wage was likely commensurate with your daily contribution to your employer's operations. If not, then you could have looked for employment elsewhere and gotten the wage you deserved. Further, at a $7/hr job, you were probably replaceable--i.e., it was likely an entry level position, and hundreds if not thousands of other students probably could have performed the same function without much difference in performance. These are things that can't be said for the 85 guys on the football team. Their scholarships are indeed payment, but that money certainly does not represent a market wage. They are vastly underpaid relative the value to bring to the university and conference, and not just the guys like Posey and Pryor. The other 84 or 85 guys may or may not ever be good enough to play at a professional level, either in the NFL, Arena league or CFL. But to me, that's not the point. They're not trying out like an intern at some law firm (who, by the way, at top firms get a fat check) or at some investment bank like Goldman Sachs, to use your analogy. Those companies rely on their established producers to make the billions. The interns are doing very little in the way of contributing to the bottom line. I would guess in most cases, they're a short-term drain on profitability, even though they’re a wise long-term investment because they represent the firm's producers of the future. All 85 guys on scholarship are the producers for a team like OSU or Michigan or Texas. Even if they don’t start, they’re the guys on the practice field making it possible for the Terelle Pryor types to improve their game. And even while their contributions may vary from #1 to #85, even guy #85 is highly skilled and his talents are rare in the general population. He’s effectively not replaceable. This should make his worth extremely high and thus his income as well, but because NCAA doesn’t operate under same the rules of a free market economy in the U.S., he gets an artificial wage. That wage may seem fair to the rest of us who had to pay for college and would have loved free room and board, but that’s easy for us to say because the great majority are not rare athletes with highly marketable and desirable and irreplaceable skills.
Now what to do about it? I have no answers. Probably no way to have players share equitably, but that doesn't make the status quo fair in my opinion.
December 24th, 2010 at 11:35 AM ^
Don't forget to hit Enter every now and then.
December 24th, 2010 at 12:13 PM ^
I agree with most everything you've said, except for the fact that even #85 is replaceable. I think that many of the students-athletes that do not play regularly (or don't make the travel squad) are replaceable, especially at a place like Michigan. Sure they may be the players that the first and second teamers practice against, but I think there is a reasonable market of these practice-squad type players. Many of these guys are either former walk-ons or guys that predominately received MAC-type offers. As such, that means that while not everyone can do what they do, there is a large enough population of individuals, that you could replace them.
The analogy that comes to mind for me is that I think they are as replaceable as I was as a grad student at Michigan who received a living stipend and tuition. I had developed fairly specialized skills (which is what got me accepted into Rackham and the lab I worked for). However, had I not gone to Michigan for grad school (a terrible thought), the lab would have found someone else that could have done a job similar to myself. In the same manner had some of the lower-end scholarship players selected to go play for a MAC team (say because they wanted more playing time), Michigan can just as easily replace them.
In the same vein, I consciously selected to go to grad school at Michigan, and accept a stipend that was far less than what I could have commanded in the general work force, because of the value it had for me future. I think the same exact thing holds true for the practice-squad type players. Sure they might have a dream of busting it out big and getting drafted. However, I think most of those types of players are smart enough (or I hope they are at Michigan) to realize that is a long shot and that while here they should be preparing themselves for the future. They get a free academic education (which far more resources available to them than the average student with regards to tutoring, etc.) AND they have the opportunity for an excellent education in leadership with great mentors (and if you don't like RR, which is not the point here, they've got great guys like Jon Falk).
So while there are some players that are not replaceable, it is my opinion that there are many others who are replaceable. Please don't interpret this as a knock on those players. I feel that they are great guys and true Michigan Men, often because knowing the odds against them for the NFL, they selected to come to Michigan because they knew what kinds of Man it would form them into.
December 24th, 2010 at 5:20 PM ^
probably not much difference between top walk on and #85 scholarship guy. Obviously a few of the top walk ons are better from time to time. I just meant it in the sense the kids good enough to play at a Div I program, especially one like Michigan but even a MAC team, are pretty rare in the context of the general population of 18-22 year olds. There's not a large pool of equitable talent out there, and the wider the net, the less talented that pool becomes (effectively not replaceable, as I said above). There are just so many guys who run 4.6 fortys, have ball skills, are 235 lbs and extremely agile and quick, etc. Even with you, there probably wasn't a huge pool of grad students out there to replace you as a percentage of general population of candidates. But in your case, you and others like you had options. If not this course of study, then that one. If not school, then the private sector. These kids don't have options. They're either as good as or better than the other couple thousand D1 scholarship recruits each year or they're not. It's an absolute number.
Like you, I would hope the guys that don't see the field much in their time at a school are focused on the degree.
December 24th, 2010 at 8:58 AM ^
they should live in the dorms if its so hard for them to pay their bills. Its not complicated
December 24th, 2010 at 9:08 AM ^
Given the rings and other stuff to their mothers, and then let their mothers sell it so they could avoid any problems.......Claim they did not know their parents or moms were going to sell the stuff, so no responsibility on their part according to NCAA. A sad day when an SEC school has smarter football players than OSU!
December 24th, 2010 at 9:48 AM ^
I was listening to Mark May spew about how if this happened in the SEC that all the players would be suspended immidiately. I was thinking, are you serious??? As you said, they could have just given the goods to their parents to sell and got off free.
December 24th, 2010 at 9:08 AM ^
Gee you wonder where Posey gets his skewed sense of ethics. I do not think it is cut and dry as the student athletes are getting a free education, but universities do make a heck of a lot of money off of the football programs.
I know this is a little off topic, but I saw something on ESPN that caught my interest this morning on ESPN. Mel Kiper was talking about Pryor. He basically said that Pryor is not going to be a QB in the NFL. He will likely be a Tight End. I just thought it was interesting that in my recollection of the Pryor recruitment, he went to
December 24th, 2010 at 11:14 AM ^
in regards to Pryor picking OSU. Is why would anyone pick them when they have asperations of being an NFL QB? Who was the last one to come out of there that was any good in the league?
December 24th, 2010 at 9:12 AM ^
to get those tats? Apparently it is the NCAA's fault that all those players need tattoos.
December 24th, 2010 at 9:14 AM ^
College. I remember how sad i was in college that neck tats and sleaves were so expensive.
December 24th, 2010 at 9:19 AM ^
Often these mothers of athletes are clueless. I remember about a decade ago when Darius Miles was a big high school hoops star in Illinois. Some reporter, of course, interviewed his mother, where she adamantly stated that she was so certain her son Darius was ready for the NBA. As if she knew what that meant.
If Posey's mother knew anything at all, about anything, she would have rallied for her son to go to school at Michigan. She's just disappointed that she can't at that NCAA money.
December 24th, 2010 at 9:26 AM ^
I worked 3 jobs while attending a Jesuit school (USF... Go Dons) in the mid-90's. Back then, tutition was $14.5K / year. I lived in my dad's condo after he retired; I didn't pay rent, but I did pay all of the utilities. Of course, there was gas money. And car insurance. Oh, and I had to eat, too. Of course, all of this was in the Bay Area, which is just a tad bit more expensive to live in than Barfumbus. In addition to the jobs, I played club lacrosse, which required me to buy my own equipment. Anyone wanna guess as to how much lacrosse gear costs? Also, I was drumming in a band that gigged regularly.
Somehow, my sorry ass made it work. I graduated on time with a 3.75 GPA.
I have ZERO sympathy for these cry babies.
December 24th, 2010 at 7:01 PM ^
Dude, sounds rough living for free in your dad's condo. I wonder why more of these college football kids don't do the same, they sure are wasting those empty condos their parents have laying around. Its really awesome how you made it work on your own.
December 24th, 2010 at 8:22 PM ^
San Fran? You were saving a thousand dollars a month living in daddy's condo. I get your point, but it sounds like you didn't really have it that rough.