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|3 years 20 weeks ago||Utterly bizarre||
Utterly bizarre speculation.
At this point, now that the cat's out of the bag, and has been for a while, Tressel would be claiming that the FBI had asked him to be quiet if they'd done so.
|3 years 20 weeks ago||It seems that, for all the||
It seems that, for all the glaring faults with the Freep investigation, national sports writers have largely closed ranks around their colleagues at the Freep and refer broadly to their intended conclusion (that RR was a cheat) rather than to the actual content of the violations or the outcome of the NCAA investigation. I don't know that this is a signal of a dearth of journalistic integrity in general or of sports writers specifically, but it's either.
|3 years 21 weeks ago||So, in other words, we should||
So, in other words, we should punish the children of polygamists for being poor.
|3 years 25 weeks ago||Won't somebody think of the||
Won't somebody think of the white men!
|3 years 25 weeks ago||Wait, what's the||
Wait, what's the "idiot-tastic" part? The part where people are interested in hearing the recently departed coach's opinions on various national programs (including Michigan) and their recruits or the content of his thoughts? In either case, you're not adding much.
|3 years 25 weeks ago||Why do you insist it was that||
Why do you insist it was that simple when it clearly was not? Do you think that by sheer repetition, it might become true?
|3 years 25 weeks ago||Last year, before his||
Last year, before his freshman season started, I got to know Darius a little bit after having watched his recruitment the prior year. I told everybody that he'd be a special player — smart as a whip and incredibly talented — and that he and Peyton Siva would be immediate impact players in their respective conferences at the PG position. Then they both had mistake-riddled freshman seasons and I felt like maybe I was wrong. So it's nice to see both of them really coming into being elite PGs in their conferences this season. Siva was Big East POW last week and we've all seen Darius's "butterfly" season. Lesson learned: I'm always right, even when I'm wrong at first.
|3 years 25 weeks ago||So far the "great fit" for||
So far the "great fit" for Hoke has been entirely attributable to him not being RR and him being well-liked by the various mafia families. It's way disingenuous to act as if his "championships" as a DL coach are anything more than asterisks on a resume that, at best, otherwise places him somewhere around the 70th percentile among coaches. On some level, the Pollyannaishness is a nice change in atmosphere over the past three years but, on the other hand, it comes with the price of sounding like Heaven's Gate members.
|3 years 26 weeks ago||Went for the double.||
Went for the double.
|3 years 26 weeks ago||There was also this…||
|3 years 26 weeks ago||Jeez.||
He has to consult the mafia before deciding on helmet stickers? This guy knows which side the bread is buttered.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||How can you say it's only||
How can you say it's only worked out successfully "a few times" when its direct result has been a remarkable increase in minority hirings? I also think the "that's insulting to minority candidates" line is the one that's, by and large, disingenuous. It's telling when those who push this line (i.e. you, as you've made it clear throughout this thread) don't even see the dearth of black coaches to be a problem at all and don't propose any solutions at all, but then act as if the real problem is tokenism in the interview process. Certainly nobody is obliged to attend an interview when "everybody knows" who's going to be hired.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||If "one" were unserious and||
If "one" were unserious and hadn't thought much about the world that they inhabit or race then, sure, "one" could look at it this way.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||After all, the only||
Clearly, you missed the "Happy MLK Day" post; he also once wrote in Ebony that he was against premarital sex. Someone thought that was really important for us to know.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||The Rooney Rule is working||
The Rooney Rule is working out fine. Are you serious?! Token interviews are hardly token interviews (unless Art Shell is involved). They usually require the media and potential employers to actively consider a candidate's merit (if only to say "this is a great coach who shouldn't be going on token interviews"). You don't think those "token interviews" helped Leslie Frazier, for instance, come to be accepted as full-fledged head coach material? Then, when his time came, everybody else had to have to token interviews in part because the Rooney Rule forced us to evaluate Frazier's merits as a coach two or three years ago.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||Nobody's trying to shut you||
Nobody's trying to shut you up. Believe me, I can hold my own in an argument with you. But "racist" isn't an attack, it's sometimes just a description. It's a word with a meaning and not one that we should be afraid to use toward someone who says that they will never see a black doctor "because you never know" or someone who affirmatively quotes the aforementioned racist in a thread about football hires.
As for your other points, they are beneath comment or I've addressed them already. Write clearly next time.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||Yes. I know what the||
Yes. I know what the right-leaning Supreme Court, as well as some of the former regents, had to say about that. I think it was the wrong decision.
But, anyhow, I think the Rooney Rule in the NFL is an excellent model, if I'm not sure about its applicability elsewhere. It doesn't guarantee quotas, which can be problematic, nor does it tolerate institutional racism; it acknowledges a problem. Its solution: at least one minority gets an interview for front office and head coaching positions. Not a job, just an interview. Sometimes it's a farce, for sure., and talented black coaches (or white coaches, lately) submit to a charade in which they pretend to be up for jobs, but even still it probably helps to provide them with interview experience and forces employers and the media to consider their credentials for the job. Like I wrote elsewhere, it's been an unmitigated success. It's to the point that we hardly think about a coach in the NFL being black and I, personally, no longer have a proclivity to hold my nose and root for Tony Dungy. The rule's only been in place since 2003 and since then, as I wrote elsewhere in this thread, black coaches have flourished.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||Interesting thought. I went||
Interesting thought. I went through 15 minutes of tedium, writing a reply that combed through the 21 most recent coaching hires, checking bios for coordinator and position coach experience. Then I accidentally closed the tab. But, going by that small sample, it didn't seem to support any of your hypotheses that:
1) White HCs who were former offensive position coaches were mostly former QB coaches
2) Black HCs were most likely former defensive coaches.
I saw a lot of coaches who had been OL, RB, and WR coaches and had never been QB coaches who had gone to OC jobs before their hires. Like I said, small sample size, and I didn't even get to finish, but no patterns like that developed over the first 18 or so.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||Coach Strong says that he was||
Coach Strong says that he was told this privately. I believe him. Also, circumstantial evidence (being a championship coordinator in his prime and all and not getting any jobs) is on his side.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||Burning strawmen keeps a conversation warm, right?||
Every time? I don't believe anyone ever said "every time" or even "most of the time." There is a great matrix of factors that go into every job hire, some glaring, others subliminal, some completely fortuitous.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||OK.||
You have three choices:
The giant pool of black ex-players has produced produced an incredibly small number of black head coaches because:
1) Blacks are fundamentally incapable of handling the duties of coaching. Whites make better coaches.
2) Blacks are, by and large, uninterested in coaching.
3) Institutional forces prevent blacks from being groomed for coaching jobs and being considered for said jobs while those who do rise to coordinator positions and position coaching are subject to a glass ceiling.
Those are really the only three possibilities and there's considerable evidence that the third one is the correct one. Like I said elsewhere in this post, we can see in the examples of Charlie Strong, who was explicitly informed that his being a black man (with a white wife) disqualified him from previous jobs, that there is often a glass ceiling for black coordinators. Meanwhile, we know that the Rooney Rule, which guarantees a minority interview (not job, just a fucking interview) has been an unmitigated success. Four of the past eight Super Bowl coaches have been black and half of the remaining coaches in play for this year's Super Bowl are black as well. There are plenty of blacks interested in coaching. Some are shitty coaches, some are great coaches. But the notion that the relative lack of black coaches at the college level is merely a matter of meritocracy is a white supremacist myth.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||When the grass is cut…||
Huh? I can't tell what your question is here. But Vince Lombardi would have a hard time "whipping up a good season at EMU." It should not be an FBS team. I think most people agree with this. However, I think Ron English is getting mentions for Michigan for the same reason Scott Loeffler and Brady Hoke got mentions: because he used to coach here. He's a "Michigan Man." He took a crap job at EMU after a middling performance as DC at Louisville (under, to be sure, a coach who was inferior to him) and has played the hand that he was dealt there.
Grammar isn't your strong point, I know, and I'm having a hard time understanding this command as well. But the very problem is sample size. There are currently about ten black coaches at the FBS level, most them are in their first or second years on the job (which means things are changing for the better). Most of them are at TTTs like Eastern Carolina, Western Kentucky, Eastern Michigan, etc. or BCS basketball schools like Kansas, Kentucky, and Louisville. Most of them are coaching at their alma maters (certainly black coaches are far more likely to get head coaching jobs at their alma maters than white coaches). One Brian Cook has written pretty thoughtfully on this topic. See: http://www.sbnation.com/2010/1/22/1645819/black-college-football-head
I think it has more to do with him being a recent and beloved player whose shown a knack for boisterous and thoughtful public statements and has professed a desire to coach for Michigan. Or, you know, because he's black. Black guys get all of the advantages, I tell ya!
From the mouths of racists, folks. And… that's why this discussion is still necessary.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||Ah. So what you're saying is,||
Ah. So what you're saying is, Dr. King would favor institutional racism.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||Wow. I can't believe that you||
Wow. I can't believe that you were posbanged for that.
Black people are very much overrepresented in American sports. This is obviously true. Black people are seriously underrepresented in college football coaching, not only relative to the population in general but especially so relative to their population among football players. We know that qualified, even over-qualified, coaches have had a really hard time finding head coaching gigs because of their race (see: Charlie Strong) while white candidates who can be described as, at best, mediocre tend to rise to the top jobs in the profession (see: oh, nevamind). That one can try smarm away this glaring, functional, institutional racism in the sport and be posbanged says a lot.
|3 years 27 weeks ago||But… we know for a||
But… we know for a fact that that isn't happening at the college coaching ranks. Unless you're willing to use Dr. King to explain how, by and large, the giant pool of black former players is incapable of coaching (but only in college — black coaches do very well at the pro level).
|3 years 27 weeks ago||I liked Braylon's flip.||
I liked Braylon's flip.
|3 years 28 weeks ago||Sigh. I thought the "/s" was||
Sigh. I thought the "/s" was implied but alas, there's always a guy who'll be that guy. Yes, I know the difference between chemistry and biology.
|3 years 28 weeks ago||That's squid.||
Weren't a chemistry major, huh?
|3 years 28 weeks ago||Dabo wanting Michigan? Like||
Dabo wanting Michigan? Like as his OC? That would be a really awful decision for him. Why would you want a guy, who many people want to have your job, and is much more famous than you, breathing down your neck?
|3 years 28 weeks ago||Thing is, hardly any of these||
Thing is, hardly any of these endorsements really sound like endorsements. They usually say things like "he's a solid choice" or "his teams hit hard." It's all platitudinous and usually pretty light on superlatives relating to the coach's, you know, coaching ability.