OT: BYU's Davies reportedly kicked off team for having sexual relations

Submitted by mmiicchhiiggaann on

I just saw this on twitter and couldn't help but want to share it. Davies was kicked  off the team for reportedly having sex with....his girlfriend... In a time where football players are reportedly getting paid to play and receiving tattoos or anything imagineable this was pretty suprising to me.

 

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars/51348870-88/davies-byu-code-honor…

FreddieMercuryHayes

March 2nd, 2011 at 9:54 PM ^

If that's true, he's probably gone from the univeristy completely.  Wasn't that also kind of the rumor why they kicked their their leading RB (Unaga?) out of school as well?  I believe that at the same time, his girlfriend (on the WBB team), was kicked out of school as well.  No judgement, but the LDS church takes that kind of stuff very, very seriously.

Maizedout1982

March 2nd, 2011 at 9:58 PM ^

I actually give BYU props for sticking to their guns. They were easily an elite 8 team this year with Davies. Most schools would've buried it. He knew the rules.  If he didn't want to follow them, don't go to BYU. 

JustGoBlue

March 2nd, 2011 at 10:04 PM ^

If it was Michigan/any public university/most private universities, this would be ridiculous.  But it is BYU.  They have their rules, they require that everyone strictly adheres to them.  It's not much of  secret what they are, I'm sure I could puzzle out most of them.  If you wanna have sex in college, don't go to BYU, or at the very least, don't get caught. 

I give BYU mad props for sticking to their guns.  There are quite a few teams that with violation of team rules/federal rules/any sort of regulations, will do all they can to smooth them over to keep them on their team.  The obvious one is State (though let's remember that few/no schools are perfect, including Michigan).  However, the cynical part of me wonders if BYU could have done that even if they wanted to.  Once it's out, I feel like most of the donors/fans/boosters of BYU, especially older ones, would have a fit if he was let back on the team.

the_white_tiger

March 2nd, 2011 at 10:08 PM ^

It reflects very positively on both parties that a.) BYU is willing to stick to its principles regardless of the cost and b.) that Davies acknowledges that he made a mistake and is remorseful. It's a huge opportunity for him to grow as a person as a result of putting himself in a bad situation.

blue note

March 2nd, 2011 at 10:36 PM ^

You think it's good that he's remorseful? I don't. I think it would be good if he had an epiphany and thought to himself, hmm, I didn't harm anyone, I did something that people all around the world consider a loving, mutually beneficial act, but because it's against some ancient rule they treat me like Mike Vick at a PETA convention. Hmm, maybe this whole religious fundamentalism thing aint all it's cracked up to be.

But that's just me.

 

superstringer

March 3rd, 2011 at 10:22 AM ^

"Saying all Mormons are polygamists is like saying all Muslims are terrorists."

That is not an apt analogy.  To make the anaology, you'd have to say all Muslims did start out as terrorists but many renounced it for politically convenient reasons along the way and now mouth off that they never liked it.

Poligamy started as a fundamental tenet of Mormonism.  Then when they wanted statehood for Utah, the Congress told them, no way as long as you're poligamists.  So they suddenly got religion and said, like, oh poligamy? Never liked it.  Gone, erased that rule from our books.

This is what is so fundamentally RIDICULOUS about the Mormon faith.  It's derived from ONE guy, and he had some pretty Taliban-esque rules (but even the Taliban don't condone multiple wives).  So to say a religion -- allegedly representing God's higher order -- can suddenly shave off one of their fundamental tenets just because a political body says you have to?  That says to me -- well, maybe ALL of your tenets and rules aren't exactly derived from the higher order.

If you've ever heard a Mormon describe some of their beliefs, like how a soul is eternal in both directions but merely touches on earth for a while... it's pretty sci-fi'ish.  Like all the souls were created in the Big Bang?  Hmm, fit THAT into astrophysicism.

Full disclosure here, Catholic talking... so pardon me for snickering at a Christian religion created when ONE HUMAN decided he knew what no one else knew.  To borrow a Steve Martin bit from the 70s... you wouldn't trust going to a bank owned by one guy.  "Hi, I'm Fred, this is Fred's bank.  Got $2000 to save?  Here, I'll put it... put it... here, in my left pocket, there's room, okay!"  Like.. "Hi, I'm Brigham, these are the real laws of God!!!"

OK, rant over.

bigmc6000

March 3rd, 2011 at 11:02 AM ^

Seriously, there's a lot of stuff in there that supports the extremists POV. Jsut because something started that way doesn't really mean much IMO.  America started as a slavery nation but that doesn't mean that me being white and saying slavery was wrong is just me being PC...

JBE

March 3rd, 2011 at 2:37 PM ^

Dear Superstringer, I don't want to get into a big thing here, but to criticize one set of dogmatic beliefs (Mormonism) and disclose you accept another set of dogmatic beliefs (Catholicism), and claim your set is more plausible than their set is just mind bubbling. Belief is just another game absent absolute certainty, and ultimately religion, due to its high volume of unprovable and untestable premises, comes down to faith in these premises, to belief in belief. So any religion - unless that religion is a theory that can be directly tested - boils down to faith that certain premises are true. Theoretically, it's all sci-fi'ish, in that, the foundation of religion is build upon metaphysical and historical propositions that can't be definitively tested. Dogmatic religions, such as Mormonism and Catholicism, carefully organize these untestable, unprovable theories into a complex but unified belief system. But to say that one of these belief systems is superior to another for any reason whatsoever is a excersice in futility, seeing that any premise that cannot be tested is just as likely to be true or false than any other premise, Mormonism has just as much chance of being true as Catholicism. To say otherwise is to infer that your system of belief is better than someone else's system because Catholicism just "sounds" like a better way to understand this life and all that it entails than Mormonism does, although they are both equally plausible. This kind of superior attitude regarding belief and faith is the stuff ill advised wars are founded on.

Wahlberg

March 3rd, 2011 at 1:59 PM ^

I grew up in the Mormon faith, and although at 18 I chose to no longer practice, a lot of comments on this thread are disappointing.

BYU is more than upfront about their honor code, and quite frankly there are plenty of Catholic colleges with similar rules regarding alcohol and sex (Notre Dame).  I knew I didn’t want to follow that sort of an honor code so I didn’t apply to BYU.  It really is that simple.  Manti Teo is a Mormon who didn’t go to BYU, it happens.

But if you chose to go to BYU you know what you’re accepting, and you know that if you break the rules then you have to face the consequences.

Religion is an intensely personal decision for most people, perhaps some of the posters should think about that before spouting of ignorant hate filled comments.  These posters need to go back and watch the South Park episode about Mormons.  Regardless of what you think about the validity of their beliefs, it it’s not hurting you and gives that person a good life, then why do you care?

michgoblue

March 3rd, 2011 at 2:13 PM ^

Here's the problem with your analysis.  The kid didn't go to just any school - he chose to come to BYU which, as he was aware, is a Morman univeristy that adheres to a strict code of conduct. 

That code of conduct is not for everyone.  Which is why not every kid goes to BYU.  But, he chose to go there, presumably knowing their rules. 

If BYU were out there railing against athletes as other schools for having sex, then I would see your point - but this is not that.  They are only applying their code to one of their own athletes. 

cazzie

March 2nd, 2011 at 10:41 PM ^

I know numerous ex-BYU students who say the whole campus scene is ridiculous and hypocritical. they cant drink tea for chist's sake. Flaunting the rules is rampant (drugs,sex, alcohol, rock and roll), and the whole thing is juvenile and petty. The only growth he will reap from this experience is the folly of this, and most organized religions, where the rules are broken routinely, especially by the "elders". It's a total shame. Look at the supposedly celebate priests butt f**king the little boys. Fantasy Land. 19 year olds have sex. Remember? Artifical rules, forbidding victimless crimes, create only guilt and unnecessary, unnatural grief.

MGoChippewa

March 2nd, 2011 at 11:24 PM ^

He consented to what you call "artificial" rules.  No matter how silly anybody thinks they are, he agreed to them and BYU is right to uphold the standards they expect their athletes to abide by.  I would guarantee he signed some sort of agreement to follow the school's honor code.

tn wolverine

March 3rd, 2011 at 12:15 PM ^

When I was a kid in the 1970's we lived in Tulsa, Oklahoma. One of my parents married friends( in her late 20's) was attending Orel Roberts University. She got pregnant and was promptly kicked out of school.  I'm not sure if they still kick married women out of school for getting pregnant...but I wouldn't be surprised.

aaamichfan

March 2nd, 2011 at 10:03 PM ^

How exactly does one get caught banging his girlfriend? A peep hole into his bedroom? Maybe he's into public intercourse?

the_white_tiger

March 2nd, 2011 at 11:01 PM ^

Thank you. It's somewhat baffling to me that people are imposing their moralities on BYU because BYU is exercising their rights of freedom of religion and by having people agree to their rules, they aren't imposing anything on anyone. I might be wrong, but the people who are criticizing BYU are more intolerant than BYU.

Don

March 2nd, 2011 at 10:38 PM ^

That's the untold story that the article doesn't address. How did they get caught? by a Mormon underwear-wearing (google it) roommate who turned them in? Were they going at it in the backrooms of the genealogy archives? In the Mormon Tabernacle Choir building? Out on the Bonneville Salt Flats, in flagrante delicto?

Maybe this is the top 12 program that Cowherd was hinting at. The big scandal is going to revolve around unauthorized premarital sexual congress at BYU.