OT: BYU's Davies reportedly kicked off team for having sexual relations
I just saw this on twitter and couldn't help but want to share it. Davies was kicked off the team for reportedly having sex with....his girlfriend... In a time where football players are reportedly getting paid to play and receiving tattoos or anything imagineable this was pretty suprising to me.
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars/51348870-88/davies-byu-code-honor…
If that's true, he's probably gone from the univeristy completely. Wasn't that also kind of the rumor why they kicked their their leading RB (Unaga?) out of school as well? I believe that at the same time, his girlfriend (on the WBB team), was kicked out of school as well. No judgement, but the LDS church takes that kind of stuff very, very seriously.
harvey Unga. His girlfriend was a female athlete at BYU, and she left at the same time he did, so people inferred that they left because they had premarital relations.
EDIT: Vai Taua played for Nevada.
Thanks sincerely for the compliment. My list was not exhaustive.
You're obviously not a troll, and I would consider you to be a positive asset like Irish if you stick around, it just takes a thick skin. You're well spoken and you are a good representative of MSU, imo.
Harvey Unga and his girlfriend left school after they found out she was pregnant. His girlfriend was a member of the BYU women's basketball team.
Boom...Sex'd!
it makes sense.
No sex with your girlfriend but it ok to have 10 wives
I actually give BYU props for sticking to their guns. They were easily an elite 8 team this year with Davies. Most schools would've buried it. He knew the rules. If he didn't want to follow them, don't go to BYU.
If it was Michigan/any public university/most private universities, this would be ridiculous. But it is BYU. They have their rules, they require that everyone strictly adheres to them. It's not much of secret what they are, I'm sure I could puzzle out most of them. If you wanna have sex in college, don't go to BYU, or at the very least, don't get caught.
I give BYU mad props for sticking to their guns. There are quite a few teams that with violation of team rules/federal rules/any sort of regulations, will do all they can to smooth them over to keep them on their team. The obvious one is State (though let's remember that few/no schools are perfect, including Michigan). However, the cynical part of me wonders if BYU could have done that even if they wanted to. Once it's out, I feel like most of the donors/fans/boosters of BYU, especially older ones, would have a fit if he was let back on the team.
It reflects very positively on both parties that a.) BYU is willing to stick to its principles regardless of the cost and b.) that Davies acknowledges that he made a mistake and is remorseful. It's a huge opportunity for him to grow as a person as a result of putting himself in a bad situation.
You think it's good that he's remorseful? I don't. I think it would be good if he had an epiphany and thought to himself, hmm, I didn't harm anyone, I did something that people all around the world consider a loving, mutually beneficial act, but because it's against some ancient rule they treat me like Mike Vick at a PETA convention. Hmm, maybe this whole religious fundamentalism thing aint all it's cracked up to be.
But that's just me.
You're entitled to your opinion.
BYU and Brandon Davies should be entitled to theirs.
ten wives, right? Who comb the obits for nonbelievers to baptize as Mormons post-mortem? Where women, fundie-style, are supposed to stand behind their husbands come what may? I'd say this is what you reap when you sow hipocrisy; BYU now suffers.
That's just the fundamentalist sect of the LDS church - the mainstream LDS doesn't encourage or allow for that anymore. From what I've read they changed that after some very strong political pressure FWIW. But, ya know, saying all Mormons are poligamists is like saying all Muslims are terrorists...
"Saying all Mormons are polygamists is like saying all Muslims are terrorists."
That is not an apt analogy. To make the anaology, you'd have to say all Muslims did start out as terrorists but many renounced it for politically convenient reasons along the way and now mouth off that they never liked it.
Poligamy started as a fundamental tenet of Mormonism. Then when they wanted statehood for Utah, the Congress told them, no way as long as you're poligamists. So they suddenly got religion and said, like, oh poligamy? Never liked it. Gone, erased that rule from our books.
This is what is so fundamentally RIDICULOUS about the Mormon faith. It's derived from ONE guy, and he had some pretty Taliban-esque rules (but even the Taliban don't condone multiple wives). So to say a religion -- allegedly representing God's higher order -- can suddenly shave off one of their fundamental tenets just because a political body says you have to? That says to me -- well, maybe ALL of your tenets and rules aren't exactly derived from the higher order.
If you've ever heard a Mormon describe some of their beliefs, like how a soul is eternal in both directions but merely touches on earth for a while... it's pretty sci-fi'ish. Like all the souls were created in the Big Bang? Hmm, fit THAT into astrophysicism.
Full disclosure here, Catholic talking... so pardon me for snickering at a Christian religion created when ONE HUMAN decided he knew what no one else knew. To borrow a Steve Martin bit from the 70s... you wouldn't trust going to a bank owned by one guy. "Hi, I'm Fred, this is Fred's bank. Got $2000 to save? Here, I'll put it... put it... here, in my left pocket, there's room, okay!" Like.. "Hi, I'm Brigham, these are the real laws of God!!!"
OK, rant over.
Tbf, the founder of the one true church of jesus christ (their words, not mine) was Joseph Smith Jr. A raging alcoholic and degenerate gambler by most accounts.
Seriously, there's a lot of stuff in there that supports the extremists POV. Jsut because something started that way doesn't really mean much IMO. America started as a slavery nation but that doesn't mean that me being white and saying slavery was wrong is just me being PC...
"This is what is so fundamentally RIDICULOUS about the Mormon faith. It's derived from ONE guy"
How many guys was Jesus?
Everybody always forgets about the Old Testament (unless you're Jewish)! Moses is important too! ;)
/Christian w/ a sense of humor
I grew up in the Mormon faith, and although at 18 I chose to no longer practice, a lot of comments on this thread are disappointing.
BYU is more than upfront about their honor code, and quite frankly there are plenty of Catholic colleges with similar rules regarding alcohol and sex (Notre Dame). I knew I didn’t want to follow that sort of an honor code so I didn’t apply to BYU. It really is that simple. Manti Teo is a Mormon who didn’t go to BYU, it happens.
But if you chose to go to BYU you know what you’re accepting, and you know that if you break the rules then you have to face the consequences.
Religion is an intensely personal decision for most people, perhaps some of the posters should think about that before spouting of ignorant hate filled comments. These posters need to go back and watch the South Park episode about Mormons. Regardless of what you think about the validity of their beliefs, it it’s not hurting you and gives that person a good life, then why do you care?
Here's the problem with your analysis. The kid didn't go to just any school - he chose to come to BYU which, as he was aware, is a Morman univeristy that adheres to a strict code of conduct.
That code of conduct is not for everyone. Which is why not every kid goes to BYU. But, he chose to go there, presumably knowing their rules.
If BYU were out there railing against athletes as other schools for having sex, then I would see your point - but this is not that. They are only applying their code to one of their own athletes.
I know numerous ex-BYU students who say the whole campus scene is ridiculous and hypocritical. they cant drink tea for chist's sake. Flaunting the rules is rampant (drugs,sex, alcohol, rock and roll), and the whole thing is juvenile and petty. The only growth he will reap from this experience is the folly of this, and most organized religions, where the rules are broken routinely, especially by the "elders". It's a total shame. Look at the supposedly celebate priests butt f**king the little boys. Fantasy Land. 19 year olds have sex. Remember? Artifical rules, forbidding victimless crimes, create only guilt and unnecessary, unnatural grief.
"Look at the supposedly celebate priests butt f**king the little boys."
Definitely not the same as a kid being thrown off a sports team for screwing his girlfriend.
No, it certainly isn't. Shame on the Church that would turn a blind eye to such a disgraceful sin. Fortunately the Church didn't have to, as the university boldly punished the sinners for them.
They're perfectly within their rights to carry out a punishment that they deem necessary, when both parties consent to the rules and the punishment beforehand.
He consented to what you call "artificial" rules. No matter how silly anybody thinks they are, he agreed to them and BYU is right to uphold the standards they expect their athletes to abide by. I would guarantee he signed some sort of agreement to follow the school's honor code.
When I was a kid in the 1970's we lived in Tulsa, Oklahoma. One of my parents married friends( in her late 20's) was attending Orel Roberts University. She got pregnant and was promptly kicked out of school. I'm not sure if they still kick married women out of school for getting pregnant...but I wouldn't be surprised.
When I was a kid in the 1990's, I lived in Cincinnati, OH. I bought a bicycle once. I am not sure if that bicycle store still exists... but I wouldn't be surprised if it does.
I'm sure Jim McMahon never did anything like that when he was the star qb at BYU....
How exactly does one get caught banging his girlfriend? A peep hole into his bedroom? Maybe he's into public intercourse?
Just shout, "Who's got da bomb ass dick?!", the whole time.
I wish I could +1 this 100 times.
RA saw the tie on the door?
Forgive me Father, for I have sinned
Not ND.
that was my question too.....
Yeah man, this is oppression in the name of social constructs by backward ass religious zealots. Seriously, when are people going to espouse education over prohibition? For fuck sakes.
Nobody forced him to go to BYU; he knew the rules there.
Opression would be not allowing him and BYU to enter into agreement on those rules in the first place.
And apparently some people on this board don't get that.
I can't agree more with your arguments down the thread, by the way. This is just getting silly.
Thank you. It's somewhat baffling to me that people are imposing their moralities on BYU because BYU is exercising their rights of freedom of religion and by having people agree to their rules, they aren't imposing anything on anyone. I might be wrong, but the people who are criticizing BYU are more intolerant than BYU.
I think so too. It's private; they agreed to the rules. Think whatever you want about the morality of his actions, but it is definitely not opression.
Well said. Couldn't agree more.
Seriously when are people going to stop imposing their values on a group of people who are living by their chosen moral code and not hurting anyone by doing it. I think BYU's rule is ridiculous, but it's BYU's rule and so I don't get a say in it.
That's the untold story that the article doesn't address. How did they get caught? by a Mormon underwear-wearing (google it) roommate who turned them in? Were they going at it in the backrooms of the genealogy archives? In the Mormon Tabernacle Choir building? Out on the Bonneville Salt Flats, in flagrante delicto?
Maybe this is the top 12 program that Cowherd was hinting at. The big scandal is going to revolve around unauthorized premarital sexual congress at BYU.
I read that his girlfriend is pregnant. I's take it with a grain of salt, but it seems like a reasonable explanation for how this was discovered.
Oh snap, she said it was his.
I bet it was one of his wives that squealed on him. Damn polygamist bitch!