Official ND press release, press conference at 6 pm
can't imagine what it's like to be an ND fan. ALL KINDS OF SUFFERING. I mean, they've gone 3-9, they've had undefeated seasons only to be crushed by alabama, they've had all-americans become laughing stocks (Teo), they've had Charlie Weis and Ty Willingham, they've had crushingly close losses (2005 USC, 2011 Michigan), they've had transfers of critical recruits, explusions of starting players, they've had long stretches of apathy and inept play, they've had...I mean, what haven't they had?
There. I said it.
Weis was worse than Rodriguez IMO
Why, why, why do people spell Rodriguez with a "q"? I really don't get it. Was that just a typo? Is that how you pronounce it? Is there a joke I don't get? Is it actually a "g" on some crazy keyboard?
It's so common and I don't understand it at all.
See person with actual reason below.
You see a lot of odd letter changes in surnames.
As far as I am aware, and this is just a non-specific observation, "Rodriquez" is a rare variant - "Rodriques" is a little more common in my own experience. They all basically go back to patronymic "son of Roderick", or rather the Spanish equivalent. Anyway, the error might come from that, but again, it seems like that particular variation is relatively uncommon. I could be wrong though.
Living in LA, I've seen lots and lots of people with the last name Rodriguez, and I've never seen it spelled with a "q." Also, it would be pronounced quite differently, so it's not like messing up Goldberg and Goldburg, for example.
Also, they aren't horribly different in English. 'Gez' versus 'kez'?
Happy hour here, so maybe I'm way off.
In Spanish, when a g is followed by a u, the g is hardly pronounced. For example, the word "guero" sounds like it's spelled "wehdo." However, a qu will make a hard k sound.
I'm not saying it's crazy different, but different enough that you won't confuse one for the other if it's pronounced correctly. I doubt that poster pronounced it Rich Rodrikez.
off the top of my head, queiro and que both start with q and are followed by u but the k sound is much less distinct in quiero than que. In the former the sharp whip like k sound is less prominent.
In the instance of rodriguez versus rodriquez I believe the q would be less sharp and blend more into the word like the g does.
But as I alluded to, just spitballing here.
The difference in que and quiero have a lot to do with emphasis, not necessarily spelling.
Say "Rico" and then say "Rigo." Can you tell a difference?
The only point (more of an observation) that I was trying to make is that some qu words abandon the k sound in favor of emphasing the subsequent letters like g does at times, e.g fringe versus tragic.
But even when that's the case, you can certainly hear the difference.
/g/ and /k/ are similar sounds, pronounced in the same part of the mouth with the tongue in the same position. The difference is /g/ is voiced (vocal cords vibrate) and /k/ is voiceless (vocal cords not used).
Guero has to be written with "diéresis" or this two little dot fellas: ü. Güero, what those dots do is to let you know that in that case the u must be pronounced, Guero would be said something like ghe-ro and Güero would be something like weh-ro. Same with a few words like pingüino (penguin).
I flew out of John Wayne last night. Had a great time in Newport.
because everyone of spanish decent lives in L.A.
I think Rodrigues is the Portguese spelling and Rodriguez the (Castillian) Spanish spelling. Not positive though.
I always thought it was because of Boogie Nights.
If you are going to bring up Rich Rod in a thread that had nothing to do with him, be sure to bring up the people who sabotaged his regime behind the scenes and the fact that he could have done just as well with his first senior class in 2011 as Hoke did. Also make sure to bring up the fact that Hoke was allowed to choose his own DC and pay him more than twice what RR was allowed to pay his.
This does still raise a question: why is anyone bringing up the RR years in a discussion about ND and academic fraud?
Whoa, you're the only one really bringing it up.
And maybe RR didn't pay his DC as much because he didn't hire one worth it? Or maybe Hoke can because Dave Brandon let him, but then that would mean that DB isn't the devil, so that can't be it.
We will never know how well RR would have done in 2011. But without anyone to coach defense, I doubt he would have done as well.
MrsStephenKass was the one who brought up Rich Rod.
As you said we will never know how he would have done in 2011. IMO you have to give RR some credit for that season as the bulk of the team were developed by him and his staff for three years. Also, the defense was a year older and brought back many of the same players which is why so many were apprehensive for Hoke's first year. I do think Hoke and staff should also get a lot lf credit for that year.
In 2011, the blame/credit could plausibly be put on the prior regime. It is getting harder to do so by the year though the lack of OLinemen is a big thing to lay at RR's feet. Although it seems like spread systems don't rely as much as pro systems do. If you miss a single assignment in pro systems you could be screwed whereas in spread that may not be as much of the case.
Starting next year I think all the successes and failures of the program should be laid at Hoke and his staff's feet. No excuses.
I kind of miss Rich Rod
This has become the new subway/Quiznos thread...
What is: A MNC since 1988?
I mean, I wrote that off the top of my head, I'm sure theres tons of stuff I'm leaving out.
No, he covered that.
has always been the biggest false hype machine in America. (We're closing in quickly btw). A program with more hype than substance, their mysery is largely self inflicted by being pompous, high and mighty pricks.
ND can recognize whatever they want, but the NCAA won't and therefore when comparing schools, ND will have fewer. For schools like ND, that's a punishment.
Florida State was up there until last year
And I hate me some ND, just sayin....
there is some sarcasm in here I am missing in relation to things Michigan has gone thru as well
They've never had massive academic fraud...oh wait...that just happened? AND they've lost to Gerg Robinson? Yeah they're basically boned....
Makes me smile
Let's be fair, the statement is the most adult statement in modern college football. I mean, Miami basically said "come at me nerds" in its official response to its mess a couple years ago.
That investigation is ongoing. If it determines that the student-athletes would have been ineligible during past competition, Notre Dame will voluntarily vacate any victories in which they participated.
is the most non-punishment out there. No one actually vacates wins or erases them from their record books. They disappear for awhile, then reappear at a later date once people have forgotten.
That won't happen anytime soon in this case, since ND and Michigan are constantly comparing their W-L records. We'll make sure that no one forgets.
Oh really? So the Final Four banners in Crisler are just invisible then?
According to ND's statement, the 4 players are just being held out during the investigation, and haven't been dismissed.