Michigan State Snowflakes: The Officiating

Submitted by JHumich on October 30th, 2021 at 4:51 PM

Couldn't find an "official" thread.

I have too many specific ones for a good "OP," but with a snowdrift of my own figured that people needed a good place to put their snowflakes too.

Ronswanson13

October 30th, 2021 at 4:57 PM ^

Any time you lurk on a sports message board or social media or sports talk radio after a loss you’re guaranteed to hear many of the losing fans complaining about the officiating. And almost every time I roll my freaking eyes. We didn’t lose because of the refs. Stop whining Michigan fans. Be better.

UMxWolverines

October 30th, 2021 at 5:01 PM ^

Has Michigan ever lost to MSU or OSU under Harbaugh because of anything else but the refs, the weather, or injuries? It's been the same shit for 7 years blowing leads to rivals, you'd think more of our fans could put two and two together. 

thethirdcoast

October 30th, 2021 at 5:50 PM ^

I agree that the players should have the mental toughness to be unaffected by a reversed call.

Personally, I feel like mental toughness has been an issue since Lloyd departed.

I also agree that it is not possible to tell if the ball bounced. That means there is no indisputable video evidence to overturn the call on the field.

crg

October 30th, 2021 at 5:28 PM ^

You can choose to be obtuse if you like (as well as a troll like you've been for years), but there were so many missed holding calls by the msu OL that is wasn't even funny.  It was so egregious that they finally called 1 or 2 in the 4th, but it had been happening all game.

UM_Ftown

October 30th, 2021 at 5:08 PM ^

It's correct to complain about certain calls, some go for or against you every game. To specifically blame officiating for a loss is forgetting about the other 150 plays in the game that matter too. 

 

FYI there's already a ref whining thread, hell I think there was one yesterday before the game too. 

GoBlueGoWings

October 30th, 2021 at 5:14 PM ^

Don't know how the refs overturn the fumble/td. If the refs called the MSU QB down and that's the angles we saw I would've been fine with the call on the field. 

 

brad

October 30th, 2021 at 6:24 PM ^

And it became a six point swing in this game because of the two 2-pt conversions.  At 34-14 and 34-21, MSU kicks the point both times.  M ends up probably winning.  Taking that strip sack and TD off the board was thievery and directly changed the outcome.  Nobody will care and it will be chalked up to Harbaugh just sucking in rivalry games.

Jordan2323

October 30th, 2021 at 5:24 PM ^

Three words and you can use it in sports, politics or whatever and it’ll always ring true. Follow The Money!

There were articles all week about how high the betting lines were for this one, it’ll be the highest all year other than maybe the super bowl. Don’t tell me that doesn’t play in here? 8 reviews and they all went their way. No pass interference on them all game long. Refs walking diagonal for spots a yard or so forward each time. We didn’t solely lose because of officiating but they for sure helped them tremendously. 

waittilnextyear

October 30th, 2021 at 5:24 PM ^

Looking at the box score, Sparty was credited for 7 penalties and 75 penalty yards. Michigan had 8 penalties for 59 penalty yards. By that alone, it would seem a pretty evenly called game, especially on the road.

However, it seemed to me that we could have saved time on the replay reviews by just immediately awarding them to Sparty each time. It certainly felt like those were very one-sided.

I think back to the Ojabo/Hutchinson combo strip-sack TD near halftime that Klatt (and even Mike Perreira) thought was a pretty clear Michigan TD. And it was also ruled as such on the field. That should not have been overturned. Huge game-turning play there. Because UM went on to kick a FG to lead 23-14 at halftime instead of the 27-14 it would've been. Those 4 points were coincidentally the margin of the game.

Now, clearly, UM shot self in the foot a few more times with chances to win, but that one overturn seemed pretty egregious at the time. And, frankly, it still does.

Jordan2323

October 30th, 2021 at 5:29 PM ^

You can’t go by how many penalties, that’s what they want you to do. Football usually turns on a few big plays or calls, especially when teams are equally balanced. You give us a key pass interference call late in the game or give us Hutch’s recovery in the end zone and this is a different game. Basketball is like this as well, they’ll call “and ones” and shooting fouls against one team and then even it up with calls 30 feet from the basket that results in jack shit. Or they call ticky tack calls against a player who changes the dynamics of the game against on one team and then hit a role player for the other team. They can and will change games if they want to. 

mGrowOld

October 30th, 2021 at 5:32 PM ^

Saw the same thing in Monday nights Packers-Cardinals game.  Officials don't understand what replay is for so they're screwing these up royally.

Instead of looking for conclusive video evidence to overturn a call they've started now looking for conclusive video evidence to CONFIRM a call.  And if they don't see it, they assume the call was wrong and reverse it.

This is a problem at both college and the NFL and someone needs to sit these guys down and remind them of what they are looking for during a review.  Because clearly right now they don't get it.

MGoFoam

October 30th, 2021 at 5:29 PM ^

The calls went against us, but that doesn’t mean they were bad calls. I actually agreed with all of the calls and reversals except for the uncalled PI on 4 and 3 at the end, which I called in real time.

Jordan2323

October 30th, 2021 at 5:44 PM ^

You like the bs holding flag against Anthony that caused us four points in the first quarter? The overturned fumble recovery by Hutch? You like the no pi against Johnson on fourth down? You like the refs walking diagonal and giving them generous spots? You like our line getting held all game long and sometimes when Thorne scrambled he got away with them extending their arm and frankly jersey? It wasn’t the sole purpose we lost but it was one sided and it contributed big time. 

M go Bru

October 30th, 2021 at 5:39 PM ^

Help needed from Mgoblog rulebook officionados!

Have yet to find "when are you down" definition in NCAA online rulebook.

 

When googled I got various answers from unofficial sources:

1) any body part other then foot or hand

2) knee or forearm

3) knee, elbow, hip, head, or wrists

 

It looked like possibly the "side of the calf" to me; Not the "shin" as called.

 

Sam1863

October 30th, 2021 at 5:40 PM ^

Today's officiating reminded me of a story:

A very funny author named Roger Hall once served as the public address announcer for the New York Giants in the 1950's. After one game when the officiating was particularly bad, Hall announced, "Would anyone finding a seeing-eye dog please return it to the referee's locker room?" Hall was fired, but with his acerbic wit, he probably thought it was worth it.

I can only guess what Hall would have said about today's crew. Probably would have requested a doctor to help them remove their heads from their asses.

 

JDeanAuthor

October 30th, 2021 at 5:45 PM ^

As posted by JHumich earlier, it's not either/or with "coaching/execution" vs. "bad officiating." Both can be (and often are) true. 

Did Harbaugh make some bonehead decisions? Yes

Were there officiating calls that were at the very least questionable, and could be argued to have been both egregiously erroneous and game-changing in nature?  Yes.

Did BOTH play a factor in the outcome of the game? Almost certainly.

So, while bad officiating does not let bad play-calling or execution off the hook, it is not "whining" to address legitimately bad calls that affect the outcome of the game. Officials have a responsibility to get calls right and do so without any prejudice toward either team. When the game announcers themselves are seriously questioning the calls and the film tells a different story than the call, that's not "whining;" that is expecting the official to do the job with ethical integrity and scrutiny.

Unless you are somebody who does not care whether or not officials do their jobs right, you had better concede that the officiating can seriously change the outcome of the game.  Wasn't there an NBA official who basically got in trouble for this not too long ago?

Of course, this leads to the question as to whether or not officials face any sort of consequence for bad calls in the game, much like I in my job would be disciplined for not executing my assigned duties properly, but that's another question...

Nickel

October 30th, 2021 at 5:46 PM ^

I'm sure it's an unpopular take given the general tenor of the board at the moment, but I think there was only one of the reviews that I didn't agree with after seeing the replays.

I quit whining about refs 'costing us a game' in my 20s. Anytime there's a close game the losing team will have stuff to complain about. Suck it up and move on.

BlueHills

October 30th, 2021 at 5:49 PM ^

The officiating wasn't great. The defense in the second half wasn't great. The turnovers weren't great. Lots of factors.

Props to MSU's coaching staff. They did a good job coaching that team and calling plays in the second half.