October 30th, 2021 at 4:57 PM ^
Any time you lurk on a sports message board or social media or sports talk radio after a loss you’re guaranteed to hear many of the losing fans complaining about the officiating. And almost every time I roll my freaking eyes. We didn’t lose because of the refs. Stop whining Michigan fans. Be better.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:09 PM ^
Michigan lost for a whole bunch of reasons, not just one. Acknowledging that the refs had a role is completely valid.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:15 PM ^
There are a great many humans who do not seem to realize that two things can be true at once, and that most things are more complex than we think.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:39 PM ^
I've always thought Michigan fanbase generally is way too quick to fixate on blaming the refs for a loss, with a tin hat tint to things. But as for today, I buy it; you guys got completely fucking jobbed in East Lansing. Shoulda been OT at a minimum, and even that is generous to MSU.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:01 PM ^
Has Michigan ever lost to MSU or OSU under Harbaugh because of anything else but the refs, the weather, or injuries? It's been the same shit for 7 years blowing leads to rivals, you'd think more of our fans could put two and two together.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:08 PM ^
We've lost plenty of games under Harbaugh due to being out-coached, out-talented or just not making the necessary plays.
That doesn't change the fact that 2016 OSU and 2021 MSU were two of the most absurdly 1-sided officiated games in favor of UM opponents that I have ever witnessed.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:11 PM ^
Cannot disagree but the refs did not help. All of the reviews went sparty's way. The TD fumble recovery in the End Zone by Hutchinson that was reversed, really hurt.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:17 PM ^
Yes MSU 2015 and 2020. OSU 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019. You are the epitome of nobody hates Michigan more the Michigan fans. Just give it up. You aren’t a real fan. Take up something else. Every sport you trash the school and it’s sickening.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:34 PM ^
Youre wrong, I dont trash the basketball team because the basketball team goes out and actually wins stuff and doesnt run their mouth while doing it while the football team is all about look at us we're the best and never wins shit.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:18 PM ^
Michigan was rolling until they reversed the bounce incomplete into a catch on evidence that was not conclusive.
That one call totally changed the momentum in the game.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:30 PM ^
Why are our players supposedly so weak minded they cant bounce back after an incomplete pass ruled completion?
Also you couldnt tell if it bounced or not.
October 30th, 2021 at 6:41 PM ^
They are just not good enough to overcome 4-10 points of ref calls (and that is ignoring the no call PI/hold at the end).
Same thing in 2016.
And it would be nice if they were fairly allowed to play it out rather than be handicapped.
October 30th, 2021 at 7:17 PM ^
Ummm if you can't say for sure it didn't bounce then you can't overrule it either.
October 31st, 2021 at 7:12 AM ^
PI's not called, holdings not called. Seven calls reversed with scant evidence. Quit acting like you have the mental fortitude that's greater than these players.
October 31st, 2021 at 11:47 PM ^
There you go. If you can't tell, ruling on field stands.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:31 PM ^
Why are our players supposedly so weak minded they cant bounce back after an incomplete pass ruled completion?
Also you couldnt tell if it bounced or not.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:50 PM ^
I agree that the players should have the mental toughness to be unaffected by a reversed call.
Personally, I feel like mental toughness has been an issue since Lloyd departed.
I also agree that it is not possible to tell if the ball bounced. That means there is no indisputable video evidence to overturn the call on the field.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:28 PM ^
You can choose to be obtuse if you like (as well as a troll like you've been for years), but there were so many missed holding calls by the msu OL that is wasn't even funny. It was so egregious that they finally called 1 or 2 in the 4th, but it had been happening all game.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:08 PM ^
It's correct to complain about certain calls, some go for or against you every game. To specifically blame officiating for a loss is forgetting about the other 150 plays in the game that matter too.
FYI there's already a ref whining thread, hell I think there was one yesterday before the game too.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:26 PM ^
Certain calls give and take points. Stupid argument.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:11 PM ^
How the strip sack td was taken away I’ll never know. Another b10 screwjob
October 30th, 2021 at 5:11 PM ^
How the strip sack td was taken away I’ll never know. Another b10 screwjob
October 30th, 2021 at 5:14 PM ^
Don't know how the refs overturn the fumble/td. If the refs called the MSU QB down and that's the angles we saw I would've been fine with the call on the field.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:48 PM ^
Exactly. There was zero evidence to overturn what was called on the field. Camera views were inconclusive... though it did seem like the ball was loose as he went down.
That four point difference turned out to be significant.
October 30th, 2021 at 6:24 PM ^
And it became a six point swing in this game because of the two 2-pt conversions. At 34-14 and 34-21, MSU kicks the point both times. M ends up probably winning. Taking that strip sack and TD off the board was thievery and directly changed the outcome. Nobody will care and it will be chalked up to Harbaugh just sucking in rivalry games.
October 30th, 2021 at 7:19 PM ^
It actually looked like he lost control early before the down thing was even in play. It was not clear he ever regained control after the initial bobble.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:19 PM ^
We lost. The refs didn't run for 5tds. Didn't fumble on a rpo etc. Was there questionable calls sure. The reason we lost... Absolutely not
October 30th, 2021 at 5:28 PM ^
It wasn't the only reason, but it did contribute to the outcome.
October 30th, 2021 at 6:09 PM ^
I think there was some bad calls .. I don't think there was enough to overturn the sack fumble for a TD. plenty of calls that I didn't agree with. But I'm not gonna blame the refs when we beat our selfs.
October 30th, 2021 at 9:46 PM ^
ThE rEfS dIdN’t RuN fOr 5 TDS. The refs contributed to 1 and took away 2.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:22 PM ^
Fuck the big ten
October 30th, 2021 at 5:24 PM ^
Three words and you can use it in sports, politics or whatever and it’ll always ring true. Follow The Money!
There were articles all week about how high the betting lines were for this one, it’ll be the highest all year other than maybe the super bowl. Don’t tell me that doesn’t play in here? 8 reviews and they all went their way. No pass interference on them all game long. Refs walking diagonal for spots a yard or so forward each time. We didn’t solely lose because of officiating but they for sure helped them tremendously.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:52 PM ^
I bet the sportsbooks easily made 8 figures the way this game played out today.
October 30th, 2021 at 6:35 PM ^
Recall the PI on Turner as well where he appeared to not even touch the WR in the replay they showed. And if there was contact before that then the ball wouldn’t have been thrown yet.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:24 PM ^
Looking at the box score, Sparty was credited for 7 penalties and 75 penalty yards. Michigan had 8 penalties for 59 penalty yards. By that alone, it would seem a pretty evenly called game, especially on the road.
However, it seemed to me that we could have saved time on the replay reviews by just immediately awarding them to Sparty each time. It certainly felt like those were very one-sided.
I think back to the Ojabo/Hutchinson combo strip-sack TD near halftime that Klatt (and even Mike Perreira) thought was a pretty clear Michigan TD. And it was also ruled as such on the field. That should not have been overturned. Huge game-turning play there. Because UM went on to kick a FG to lead 23-14 at halftime instead of the 27-14 it would've been. Those 4 points were coincidentally the margin of the game.
Now, clearly, UM shot self in the foot a few more times with chances to win, but that one overturn seemed pretty egregious at the time. And, frankly, it still does.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:29 PM ^
You can’t go by how many penalties, that’s what they want you to do. Football usually turns on a few big plays or calls, especially when teams are equally balanced. You give us a key pass interference call late in the game or give us Hutch’s recovery in the end zone and this is a different game. Basketball is like this as well, they’ll call “and ones” and shooting fouls against one team and then even it up with calls 30 feet from the basket that results in jack shit. Or they call ticky tack calls against a player who changes the dynamics of the game against on one team and then hit a role player for the other team. They can and will change games if they want to.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:32 PM ^
Saw the same thing in Monday nights Packers-Cardinals game. Officials don't understand what replay is for so they're screwing these up royally.
Instead of looking for conclusive video evidence to overturn a call they've started now looking for conclusive video evidence to CONFIRM a call. And if they don't see it, they assume the call was wrong and reverse it.
This is a problem at both college and the NFL and someone needs to sit these guys down and remind them of what they are looking for during a review. Because clearly right now they don't get it.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:53 PM ^
This.
A million times, this.
October 30th, 2021 at 8:51 PM ^
I counted 7 reviews. Zero were in Michigan’s favor.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:29 PM ^
The calls went against us, but that doesn’t mean they were bad calls. I actually agreed with all of the calls and reversals except for the uncalled PI on 4 and 3 at the end, which I called in real time.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:39 PM ^
Umm, the fumble TD recovery in end zone was clearly a bad call - how did you miss that one.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:44 PM ^
You like the bs holding flag against Anthony that caused us four points in the first quarter? The overturned fumble recovery by Hutch? You like the no pi against Johnson on fourth down? You like the refs walking diagonal and giving them generous spots? You like our line getting held all game long and sometimes when Thorne scrambled he got away with them extending their arm and frankly jersey? It wasn’t the sole purpose we lost but it was one sided and it contributed big time.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:35 PM ^
It's never just a loss, can never be. It's always something, but never Michigan.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:39 PM ^
Help needed from Mgoblog rulebook officionados!
Have yet to find "when are you down" definition in NCAA online rulebook.
When googled I got various answers from unofficial sources:
1) any body part other then foot or hand
2) knee or forearm
3) knee, elbow, hip, head, or wrists
It looked like possibly the "side of the calf" to me; Not the "shin" as called.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:52 PM ^
The replay that showed the calf down did not show the ball so how can a conclusion be made?
October 30th, 2021 at 7:21 PM ^
He actually bobbled the ball well before that and it's not entirely clear he ever regained full control even before the shin came into play.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:40 PM ^
Today's officiating reminded me of a story:
A very funny author named Roger Hall once served as the public address announcer for the New York Giants in the 1950's. After one game when the officiating was particularly bad, Hall announced, "Would anyone finding a seeing-eye dog please return it to the referee's locker room?" Hall was fired, but with his acerbic wit, he probably thought it was worth it.
I can only guess what Hall would have said about today's crew. Probably would have requested a doctor to help them remove their heads from their asses.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:45 PM ^
As posted by JHumich earlier, it's not either/or with "coaching/execution" vs. "bad officiating." Both can be (and often are) true.
Did Harbaugh make some bonehead decisions? Yes
Were there officiating calls that were at the very least questionable, and could be argued to have been both egregiously erroneous and game-changing in nature? Yes.
Did BOTH play a factor in the outcome of the game? Almost certainly.
So, while bad officiating does not let bad play-calling or execution off the hook, it is not "whining" to address legitimately bad calls that affect the outcome of the game. Officials have a responsibility to get calls right and do so without any prejudice toward either team. When the game announcers themselves are seriously questioning the calls and the film tells a different story than the call, that's not "whining;" that is expecting the official to do the job with ethical integrity and scrutiny.
Unless you are somebody who does not care whether or not officials do their jobs right, you had better concede that the officiating can seriously change the outcome of the game. Wasn't there an NBA official who basically got in trouble for this not too long ago?
Of course, this leads to the question as to whether or not officials face any sort of consequence for bad calls in the game, much like I in my job would be disciplined for not executing my assigned duties properly, but that's another question...
October 30th, 2021 at 5:46 PM ^
I'm sure it's an unpopular take given the general tenor of the board at the moment, but I think there was only one of the reviews that I didn't agree with after seeing the replays.
I quit whining about refs 'costing us a game' in my 20s. Anytime there's a close game the losing team will have stuff to complain about. Suck it up and move on.
October 30th, 2021 at 5:49 PM ^
The officiating wasn't great. The defense in the second half wasn't great. The turnovers weren't great. Lots of factors.
Props to MSU's coaching staff. They did a good job coaching that team and calling plays in the second half.