@AllenTrieu: Michigan has re-offered David Dawson and he will visit December 14.
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
Weird? But good, I guess.
I think he was our most talented OL commit
Don't tell that to Magnus.
Balls they are a busted.
That's a phrase that makes me squeamish.
Or Fox. Could probably make an argument for Bosch too
it don't matter who is the best..together they will be a force
it gives me a warm feeling that there are 3 other players who can be argued over about this
Interesting. I wonder if this signals a shift in policy, or if Dawson didn't go behind the coaches' backs like we all assumed.
Either way, I'm sure there's a lot to this story that we don't know. I for one was always in his corner and would love to see him recommit.
I was in his corner too, where's my cookie?
StraightDave is currently in possession of it, and will give you it if Dawson commits to Maryland
Hope that was a sugar free cookie, what with your diabeetus and all.
Only 876? Maybe just on this blog... this year.
... Exhibit 1: Because he's a kid and trashing kids on the internet about their life decisions is moronic.
Exhibit 2:Because he's a kid and trashing kids on the internet about their life decisions is moronic.
Exhibit 3:Because he's a kid and trashing kids on the internet about their life decisions is moronic.
Exhibit 875: Because he's a kid and trashing kids on the internet about their life decisions is moronic.
Add to that the very recent loss of his father, and it moves a notch past moronic.
He also repeated the "ship has sailed" comment almost verbatim - that raised a flag, to my way of thinking.
I'm still betting someone with suspect intentions had his ear. I would like to think that he spoke to the staff (didn't someone post a tweet from the Recruiting Office, Warren Extension suggesting that?) and the entire scenario was examined, not just the picture envisioned by the bloggery. If Hoke and Co. are interested in doing the best for the athletes, young Mr. Dawson needs to be Blue.
The sad part is that twitter idiots talked shit to him when he didn't even pick another school, he was just looking!!!!
Come home David. The real fans still want you as part of the family.
I wish there was some way to get rid of the 1% of Michigan fans that are complete idiots. Unfortunately, they are a vocal 1% and many have Twitter accounts.
The great (or terrible) equalizer is that every fan base has that 1%, at least among the fan bases that care.
I love Twitter, but I swear the dumbest of people use it sometimes.
Being a bit generous with the “sometimes” aren’t you?
At least the dumb ones under 17 will shift their allegiance once they end up going to MSU. We're stuck with the older ones sadly.
I had SO much fun, re-reading this not-so-old thread...
he does it a second time.
I'm glad. Hopefully no bridges were permanently burned.
I kind of wondered if this was coming, just based on things he had been saying on twitter. I think he will end up blue.
Very weird. Interesting turnaround.
I'm surprised, but I think it's the right move. He's been through a lot more than has even been known publicly and I think he deserves a second chance to be a part of the class if he wants to, which I believe he does.
I wonder if there has been any reconciliation or remorse on DD's part? It would signal that there was a lesson learned and the coaches feel comfortable again taking his word.
Sounds like he and Hoke had a great talk. He still gets along with the rest of the class, so hopefully he'll feel like he's come home....again.
Even with what's known publicly, the kid lost his dad during what should have been one of the happiest, most exciting times of his life, and he probably lost one of his best advisers who could have steered him clear of the mess he ended up in.
Although it's hard to know from afar, this seems like a good decision, and I'm sure that other recruits will understand why an exception might be made.
Well said Turd. Losing a loved one especially a father is one of the toughest things a kid can experience.
never mind a kid, it's hard no matter how old you are. I lost my Father almost 3 years ago and I was 35. I went off the rails in a big way and even now, three years later at 38 years old I still have trouble even telling stories about him.
If I was David's age and lost my father I would have been an absolute mess. Hell, I didn't lose anyone when I was his age and I was an absolute mess. People need to give these guys a break. Whether they want to go to UM or not, people need to stop taking this recruiting stuff so personally. I mean, it's always nice when one picks us but is it really that horrible if one decides to go elsewhere? These aren't your girlfriends/boyfriends, they're allowed to look around and pick someone else.
I think it would be awesome if he chose UM but I am not going to harbour any ill will if he decides somewhere else offers him a better future.
is he an early enrollee? figured if this were to happen it would be a lot closer to signing day
I'd love to have him in this class, seems like a great kid. Hope we can get him.
Will be interesting with two other OL offers coming in town for a visit.. We take them all??
Nope, Tremendous just answered me on Twitter. Coaches only want 5 OLs, Dawson would be the 5th.
They've told all their commitments they're taking five OL in this cycle. That's been the story and it's something they wouldn't go back on with the kids who are currently committed.
I guess i'll take it as long as this kid does not pull anything if he does decide Michigan is his future home. I really did like him as a recruit and as an athlete so I am pleased with this "re-offer"
Cameron Hunt and Kenny Lacy are all like, "well, fuck."
Better show up real early on Dec. 14, boys.
I want him back, absolutely. I just hope the recruiting "policy" isn't undermined in the process.
The recruiting "policy" is stupid. And isn't much of a policy if it's broken twice in a week (further evidence that it's stupid)
I don't think the "policy" is stupid. It's pretty straightforward: if you make a verbal commitment to Michigan, the coaches expect that to be your final decision and that you don't look around at other schools. If, after making said verbal commitment, you decide you want to look around at other schools, that's fine but you will not be considered a part of our recruiting class anymore. That doesn't mean they will stop recruiting you, it just means they're going to continue to try to fill that spot with the best possible player; which could still include the decommitted prospect.
Hoke's new policy is "day to day", and leaves much room for interpretation
I don't know what is going on, but I like it.
Trieu says more to come on Dawson soon... It will probably be pay walled though.
The ship sailed. And has apparently returned to port?
...but is it the Love Boat or a Carnival Cruise with a norovirus outbreak?
WHAT THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THIS SEATBELT NOW???
unwrap it from around your neck...not sure how it got so tangled like that, but once removed, safely reclick the belt in the appropriate slot
So... 4 OL coming in that day?
Hmm... I want him in the class, but this seems very strange. Hoping there is a lot we don't know; I appreciated the coaching staff's consistency.
Don't tell Magnus that!
edit - beat to the punch.
Dec. 14 could be an interesting day. If the mutual interest between Dawson and the coaches is strong enough, there must be a chance he'll commit before then.
I hope he comes back. Good kid, tons of talent, and good intensity. High schoolers are never perfect, and we don't even really know what happened, exactly.
Lol this be cray
Actually this be cray:
Is it wrong that i want him to be a part of the class over the westcoast kids just because it means neither sparty nor ohio can get him?
No. Never. Trust your hatred and let it consume you.
Nope, I feel the same way. I think its pretty logical actually. I also think he is the best prospect of the 3 as well...so thats a thing here too.
damn double post.
Interesting.....well as I said when he decommitted, good luck to him in whatever he chooses, I would wish no one to have to go through what he had to this past year. Good luck to you Mr. Dawson.
OSU offers Lacy, we re-offer Dawson. Good trade IMO.
Wait, I thought he was gonna be a sparty??!!
No, Sparty only recruits extraterrestrially. No local kids for them.
No neg, but enough with that Sparty "national recruiting" meme already. Dantonio, like Hoke, will recruit the best kids he can get, wherever they come from.
Heard there was a 2pm presser about Mercury today. I expect Dantonio pulled a recruit, but it could be about finding water on the surface of the planet.
Are there weeds on Mercury?
I appreciate and take seriously the comment, Stephen (Mr. Kass?), especially coming from you. However, I think you're misunderstanding the "recruiting nationally" meme. The point here is that Sparty claims to be a national recruiter, which is true insofar as it does recruit nationally. The question isn't whether it tries to get kids from all over the country, but whether it succeeds in doing so. Michigan can go into a place like Florida, California, Arizona, and get the cream of the crop, because it's a nationally-respected recruiting football brand. MSU, OTOH, can't get the cream, by and large, from anywhere but Michigan/the midwest. There will be some blue-chippers that choose Sparty, of course, but the players from outside the midwest aren't the blue-chippers that people like Taylor Lewan, for example, are.
Again, thanks for the feedback.
You may have a crush on Donetonio!!
The meme isn't original or really that funny anymore, the same phrase has been way overused. I hate to see something that was once funny get completely over-saturated. At least bring it up in creative ways (example: the weeds thing has been used a lot, but "Are there weeds on Mercury is a new and funny way of saying it, kudos). Time to move on to something else, and there really is plenty to move onto.
Sparty will actually soon begin recruiting existentially, because honestly, whats the point, they're just going to lose to Michigan anyway.
David has went through more than most kids his age should have to..that is not an excuse and its not a okay for him to act the way he did..but i think in hindsight he understands that and want to be at UM..so i hope all works out for him
It's not ok for him to act the way he did? Why? He's working on making the biggest decision of his life so far. As a senior in high school. Who just lost his father. Please.
My opinion he was decieving..I understand losing a father and as i said i hope it all works out..If he wanted to take visits or even attend another college that is his choice..but being a honest and up front person is the more respectable way to carry yourself..and i think David wishes he had done things differently
Kid can't change his mind?
I have no problem with a kid changing their mind..Just be up front and honest about it..escpecially when coaches are up front and honest with you as many have said the UM staff is
Please stop making my comment sound as if im downing David or saying he owes us fans something..its his choice and i have a soft spot for any kid who loses a dad..i simply respect honesty..and thats all i expect
I'd guess you don't. Let's let the coaches -- who know him and his situation a lot better than any of us -- decide how honest or dishonest he is and was and what decision is appropriate.
I guess my comment is flamebait and i will respect Timayy's opinion..i trust he knows flamebait when he spots it since he has to look at it everytime he stands in front of the mirror..you and block M are misguided flame queens.
Didn't downvote you, just saying that in the grand scheme of things what Dawson did to slight Michigan is incredibly minor and he's been through a lot. No need to take recruiting so personally. He could have been more up front with the coaches, yes, but let's not get carried away.
But thanks though.
It really annoys me to watch players such as zettel or dee hart playing for other teams. Dawson would be just there, but only worst since he's from cass tech and he would be playing for a rival.
As long as the coaches are good with it, so am I. Dawson didn't act very mature, but he is a 17 year old kid, and our coaches should treat him as such. Giving him a second chance is the right thing to do.
Sam Webb reporting visits @ Ohio on Dec. 7th, Bama on Jan. 11th and Sparty Jan. 18th as well. We should be good to stay the course, so to speak.
There may not be a spot open for him after Dec 14
Ah, of course, of course. If that's the case, so be it. I just don't want Hoke swaying too much in regards to his policy. Little room for much flexibility in this case, IMO. Just gotta handle Dawson tenuously is all.
And just what evidence have you seen that would suggest that Hoke could sway on his policy?
that what must have happened is that he decommitted so he could look at Florida, then didn't like it as much as he thought and realized he wanted to stay close to home, but realized there are really only a few high level schools in the Midwest and would end up back here.
Little confused about the policy. Definitely understand not pulling Conley's offer (up front about his decision making). Was under the impression Dawson was not as up front. Obviously do not know the full story hence the confusion.
As long as the coaches are up front and clear with the recruits we shouldn't have any problems.
Here's my best understanding/guess of "the policy," which could be completely wrong.
If you are offered a scholarship to Michigan, you commit, and you keep your grades up and yourself out of trouble, the coaches will honor that original offer. Even if you have a bad season or something - or a sexier recruit comes along - they won't drop you because they found someone they like better.
If you visit another school, you no longer have that guarantee. Michigan might still recruit you, but they'll only do so if they think you're a good option at the moment. If someone else takes your spot in the meantime, so be it.
Basically, I think people are incorrect when they say that the policy is "visit elsewhere --> can't go to Michigan." I think it's more "visit elsewhere --> give up your guaranteed spot --> we'll see what happens."
It should be.
This is how it is, and it has been very advantageous for Hoke thus far. I don't want people to get the wrong impression because I respect and advocate our recruiting principles; I just want to see Hoke stand his ground at the same time because, if he does not; future, more costly predicaments could arise.
Maybe I'm just being cynical or semantical, and I do want Dawson (he is such an integral addition to our OL class), however; I think a recruit should understand, thoroughly, what entails their commitment to Michigan. I believe most do, and honestly hope Dawson is an exception, respectively, because in the future, I think Hoke should deny a recommitment.
It's really out of fairness. Cause in Turd's words, there technically really isn't a "policy".
I think a lot of it has to do with how "Being Committed" leads to "Taking other visits".
If a commit talks to the coaches about how they were his first offer, he jumped on it, didn't really do his research and wants to see what other schools have to offer (Conley), he'll fall in the "You're no longer committed, but thanks for handling this in an up front manner, we're no longer saving you a spot in this class, but we still want you at Michigan".
If a commit doesn't talk to the coaches and books a trip to another school, like Oregon (Pharoah Brown) without telling the coaches anything, the recruit has burned that bridge, he is no longer a commit and the coaches won't recruit him anymore.
With Dawson it seems like there was a little from column A, a little from B, and at the end the coaches are still recruting him.
Pack your bags everybody
I understand this reference!
Our good friend Tom VH providing a little insight on his twitter...
"OL David Dawson had a "heart-to-heart" with Brady Hoke tonight and was re-offered by Michigan".
I would love to know how this meeting with Hoke came about. Does David go to coach Wilcher and say I really want to talk to Michigan again can you arrange something with coach Hoke so I can tell him. Does David pick up the phone and call and tell them himself...or does Hoke just pop in and say we've heard you've had a change of heart and may want to come back into the fold. I hope someone on the inside let's us know how all this came about.
I'm guessing most likely a phone call.
Nov. 27-Dec 17 and then again in Jan. is conisdered the "contact period" in the recruiting calendar.
Coaches can make unlimted amount of calls to seniors during the "contact period"
Boy, this is interesting. I also see now OSU has offered Lacy. I would love to have Dawson back because based on his camp tapes last summer he seemed like the most ready OL and seems very strong and tough. But, this whole back and forth has been odd to say the least. From the comments I have seen from Dawson it didn't seem like he was too happy with UM fans, not that I can blame him, but I guess it still surprises me that he still wants to come to UM. And, it makes you wonder about the whole no visit policy now. Wouldn't it be really weird if both Conley and Dawson came back?
They go look around, but they always come home to Momma.
When he left, and Michigan didn't really say anything.
It's more like the fans are the people who buy the tabloids to find out what's going on with the latest celebrity couple, whether it's real or not.
treadwell, dawson, green or isaacs, mcquay, conley or J Williams
do we have the room ?
It's times such as these that we must ask ourselves . . .
What would Nick do?
BUT I think this type of situation should be the exception to the rule.
I'll make an exception though, assuming you are close enough to the situation to have first-hand knowlege.
How about sharing "the rule" with us. Exactly and verbatim, with no "I think, I heard, or it seems".
Just when I think the coaches couldn't get any dumber, they go and do something like this...and TOTALLY redeem themselves.
(I don't really think they're dumb; I just wanted to quote an epic movie)
I don't know, Lloyd. The French are assholes.
... just changed his underwear.
I thought we were gonna start referring to him as "Bilky Price?"
that I experienced a "heart to heart" with Coach Hoke. I guess I should've caused more trouble?
This is great news. The Michigan football I know and love is built around interior offensive linemen named Dave. Daves Brandt, Baas, Pearson, Petruziello, Moosman, and Molk would be happy to hear this.
The only thing that surprises me is everyone's reaction. I don't understand what is so hard to understand about this recruiting policy. WTF I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
1 - the coaches offer you.
2 - you commit, they honor your commitment.
3 - you don't commit, coaches hold it until they're full.
4 - you commit and take visits and notify the coaches beforehand that you want to, a la Conley. Coaches understand but no longer consider you a recruit. Maybe they keep your offer and recruit you, maybe not.
5 - you commit and deceive the coaches about not taking visits a la Pharaoh Brown and David Dawson. You are no longer considered a recruit by the staff similar to step #4 and they likely pull an offer. The staff evaluates whether to offer you based on factors individual to your situation, and decides whether to continue to recruit and/or offer you. Pharaoh = Ohio kid without M ties and a number of other family factors we don't know about. Dawson = kid that dreamed of playing at M prior to getting an offer, accepted immediately, dad died, and a number of other family factors we don't know about.
Rinse and repeat step 1.
Everyone circle jerks each other about how much better of a fanbase we are than fanbase X but this simple concept seems to spawn increasingly ridiculous discussion everytime it's brought up.
You said you don't understand what is so hard to understand, but to explain it you had to type up a 4 page essay. Kind of answered your own question there, no?
Doesn't Hoke's no-visit policy simply mean that if a recruit commits, and then decides to take visits to other schools, then UM no longer considers him a commit and his spot is once again open to other offered recruits?
Dawson isn't considered a commit right now -- and I'm assuming another offered OL recruit could still commit and grab his former spot -- so I guess I'm unclear why this situation would be thought of as Hoke bending the rules of his policy.
.... aaaand of course no sooner do I click "Save" then I notice someone immediately ahead of me posted something very similar.
I can hear the signing day presser questions from Rothstein now...
Dawson, Lacy, Hunt and Rodgers for 1 slot.
Green and maybe Isaac for 1 spot.
Reschke for 0 spot (full at LB).
Treadwell and Conley for 1 spot (and LaQuay?).
McQuay for 1 spot.
Probably more but at least 10 candidates for 3-4 spots. Is Reschke a no for sure?
According to Reschke.
He said two days ago the call from the Michigan coaches "meant nothing to him." Treadwell is probably fanciful at this point as well, but I agree with your basic point, that's a lot of names.
Michigan offered a new '13 LB. there is definitely something going on with the current players on the roster that is causing them to go after a 3rd LB.
Who did we offer?
Jamieon Moss was offered. He is a Virginia Tech pledge.
I'm not sure how close their friendship was, but does Dawson recommitting help our chances with Green?
Recruit videos but I watched some of Dawson's camp video. Dude is a seriously aggressive mauler. Was my favorite talent in the class. Would welcome him back in the fold.
Unrelated to his talent level, Kid is 17 and got brutalized on twitter when his initial recruitment went sideways. His decommit shenanigans was simply a kid acting like a kid. It shows me some growth, however, that he sat down with coach hoke and was able to rise above the primitive part of the fan base. Takes a man to do that. Like him blue or not.
Scheduled to visit? Why on earth would he again need to visit?
Why not? Michigan is awesome.
all expense paid weekend..... dont think many guys would turn that down.
to me that with the amount of comments for this thread, that you, Mr Dawson, matter to us and would be a very welcome addition to the class.
I wasn't crazy about how things went down with his de-commit, however, I tried to avoid commenting and am glad I did.
Go Blue David, Go Blue young man!!!
Yesssssssssssssssssssssss!!!! I really think he'll come back to the good guys.
...and just my uneducated opinion, I really think that we will get treadwell in the end. Ty Isaac made his choice, and we seem to be in a really great position with Derrick Green right now. I think that we could get McQuay too. I think we realistcly could end up with two of the three( Treadwell, Green, McQuay). We even could take them all. But realistically i think we'll end up with two.
If he was really serious about wanting to be "back in the UM family" he would have re-committed. He's still taking visits to Alabama, OSU, and MSU, and unless he's given a silent re-verbal to Hoke, I think this is smoke with no fire. On top of that, if Hunt or Lacey commit before that, there won't be room for Dawson unless there's attrition elsewhere.
For all you nautical types.
I think the biggest competition is Sparty. He said Florida was out because of distance from his family, so I'd have to say Alabama wouldn't be a serious destination due to the same issue. I think he's a kid that's been through A LOT in a short period of time, and it has taken its toll on him. I think he and his family want to be back in the UM family, it just took a route none of us expected.
One thing I just thought of is that supposedly Hoke basically said "If you want to be at UM we have room for you." However, Dawson didn't re-commit. So, although we have room for him right now, what if any number of other guys commits and accepts their offer. Do you still have room for him then? After re-thinking this it kinda surprises me that he didn't re-commit if he wants to be here because the offer may not last long.
I would have to surmise we are in the driver's seat. If he doesn't commit by the 14th of december, though, there will not be a spot for him because I can see either lacy or hunt commiting on that day when they visit.