Mel Tucker Suspended Without Pay, Hearing Pending

Submitted by Willstud99 on September 10th, 2023 at 3:53 PM

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1700959261755375620?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

I’m shocked it happened this fast, but viewed in the shadow of the Nassar incident also not surprised. Really hope they can get their act together organizationally, football be damned.

EDIT - changed title to reflect actual known state of things - LSA

FrankMurphy

September 10th, 2023 at 4:34 PM ^

I mean, there are aspects of her side of the story that don't make any sense (Why not just hang up instead of staying on the line for 36 minutes and listening to him masturbate? Why would you delete your text messages if you're the victim?).

But at the end of the day, the dude admitted to having phone sex and other sexualized interactions with a woman whom he had engaged as a consultant on behalf of MSU. Whether she reciprocated or not, that should be enough for MSU to invoke the morality clause in his contract and keep the $80 million he otherwise would have earned.

1VaBlue1

September 10th, 2023 at 5:04 PM ^

Freezing is one of the reactions to fear - fight, flight, freeze.  She froze in the moment he he was doing it - she admitted to that, and its something millions of people do.  She deleted the texts a couple months later, after the last phone call, when she wanted to be done with all of it and before she filed the suit.  She explained what she did and why - and they were perfectly reasonable responses that she shouldn't be shamed for.

UgLi Eric

September 10th, 2023 at 5:17 PM ^

Also at the time she was a contractor and he was an authority figure on that contract. That alone makes this wrong. The details make it terrible and I doubt anything further that we learn will make Mel look any better than we all see him at this moment (which is pretty bad). 

FrankMurphy

September 10th, 2023 at 6:15 PM ^

First of all, no one is "shaming" anyone. No matter what the truth of the matter is, Tucker is the villain here, not her. But just because Tucker is in the villain, it doesn't mean her account should be taken completely at face value.

I would understand her "freezing" explanation in the case of some kind of physical, in-person encounter. Hell, I might even understand that explanation if it was a Zoom call. But a phone call? Just hang up! There is absolutely no logical reason why she would stay on the phone for 36 minutes listening to him stroking and grunting and shit. At some point, you gotta just call a spade a spade.

Deleting the text messages might make slightly more sense, but is also eyebrow-raising. If this dude sexually harassed you and at no point did you ever reciprocate his advances, then it seems like your instinct should be to preserve all evidence of that harassment, especially if you specialize in empowering victims of sexual abuse. 

If she had said she was was emotionally confused by Tucker's advances and that she reciprocated his interest at various points but didn't reciprocate at other points, no one would fault her because hey, shit happens, life is complicated, and it's still on Tucker to keep it in his pants given the power dynamic in the relationship. But her claim that *every single one* of the sexualized interactions in their relationship were *entirely* without *any* reciprocation from her is not consistent with her behavior.

Monocle Smile

September 10th, 2023 at 6:39 PM ^

But a phone call? Just hang up! There is absolutely no logical reason why she would stay on the phone for 36 minutes listening to him stroking and grunting and shit.

1) Monetary relationships create conflicts that may explain slightly confusing behavior.

2) Given the monetary relationship, it's entirely possible the call didn't start out with dick-in-hand and merely ventured that way later on. 

Not sure I'm a fan of taking incomplete information and trying too hard to connect the dots. There's enough information to understand the big picture.

MDot

September 10th, 2023 at 5:21 PM ^

These are my exact thoughts as well. Willing to bet that both sides have elements of truth, and both sides are purposefully overlooking parts of the story that could make them look bad.

…and either way, it honestly doesn’t matter if it was consensual or not.  At the VERY least, this shows an extreme lack of judgment. Putting yourself in a position to get accused of sexual misconduct from a woman your program hired to educate about sexual misconduct????? Are you fucking kidding me? 

Wendyk5

September 10th, 2023 at 6:02 PM ^

Let me give you an example. When I was in high school (a long, long time ago), I got a phone call from someone claiming to be in college. He said he was doing a poll for one of his classes and would I be willing to participate. I said sure. This was in the morning before school. The first five minutes of questions were innocent: what's your favorite class? Are you in any sports? What do you like to do for fun? Then it got a little more personal. Do you have a boyfriend? Then it got very personal. He had gained my trust, I had answered his questions thus far, so I continued to answer even though I started to feel uncomfortable. Then in an abrupt turn, he said, "Unless you want me to reveal all this information about you to your friends and family -- and I know how to get a hold of them -- meet me at...." and that's when I finally hung up. I had told him things that I wouldn't tell my parents. I was absolutely shaking at that point, and felt incredibly vulnerable and filled with shame. He had gained my trust and then abused it in the worst way. Your guard is down, you trust the person and think you have one kind of relationship, and then boom! You find yourself in a situation that you were not at all prepared for. 

Savoy88

September 10th, 2023 at 8:29 PM ^

If people can understand how hard it can be for survivors to have to take years to even report an incident, it's disappointing how hard it is for them to understand how it could take till the end of the incident for afflicted party to react in situ to the incident (if not longer).

I witnessed a girl being sexually assaulted (groped) in high school and for whatever reason I couldn't get it through my head to take action and/or to report the incident. That's no excuse and I will never stop wondering how I could have failed to take action as soon as it happened. I wasn't even the party that suffered from the assault and disgustingly enough it took me a long time to finally take action. The girl who was assaulted immediately reacted to the incident and I have great respect for her to being able to do what I couldn't.

Wendyk5

September 10th, 2023 at 9:11 PM ^

The brain reacts differently to different situations. I was mugged in LA in the middle of the day about 15 years ago. Guy came up behind me and grabbed my purse. I immediately reacted by hanging on to the bag. We got into a tug of war. When I realized he wasn't letting go, I started to scream, "Help!"  A couple of painters came running out of a house and the guy let go of my bag and ran off. Why did I have an immediate reaction to that event but not to the other one? Both strangers coming in to my life and essentially "assaulting" me, albeit in different ways. I guess you could argue that the phone call guy lulled me into a state of acquiescence. I don't know how I would react in your situation. I might say that I would immediately intervene but would I? I don't know. 

FrankMurphy

September 10th, 2023 at 9:39 PM ^

I'm very sorry this happened to you.

Having said that, you hung up as soon as it became fully apparent to you that this call was not what you thought it was. Everything in your account of these questions and your reaction to them makes total sense. It seems like the tipping point was when this sleazebag tried to blackmail you. And as soon as things reached that tipping point, you hung up. Seems to me like you handled it the right way, despite the fact that you were only a teenager at the time.

The moment at which it became apparent to Tracy that the man she was speaking with on the phone (via voice only) was pleasuring himself, and he was hundreds of miles away and had no ability to intimidate her into staying on the call, that moment would seem like a pretty logical tipping point for her to hang up. And yet, she didn't. And unlike in your case, there was no allegation that he threatened her or tried to blackmail her. And not only is she a grown woman and not a teenager, but she works in the field of advocacy for victims of sexual assault and understands how victims think and how abusers operate. So the idea that she didn't hang up when he started masturbating because she "froze" just doesn't add up. 

Wendyk5

September 10th, 2023 at 11:28 PM ^

I don't profess to know what really happened on that call, I'm just trying to offer up another perspective. I mean, no one really knows what happened except the two of them and memory is a weird thing (One of JFK's Secret Service agents just recently changed his story about what happened at Dealey Plaza, 60 years later and is certain it happened the way he now remembers it). In my case, I didn't know the person I was talking to but Brenda Stacy apparently had talked to Tucker over 20 times on the phone (according to posters here) so there was a relationship there. I think it's plausible that there was a flirtatious rapport and the phone conversations were enjoyable. I also think it's plausible that they were on different wavelengths. She liked the talk and he wanted something more out of it. He possibly read her wrong. I'm generalizing here but I think men and women have different ways of expressing intimacy, and that's where it went awry. It's also plausible that when the event occurred, she was so caught off guard that she didn't know what to do. This was someone she thought she had a certain kind of relationship with and didn't want to sever the relationship, and was caught up in that conundrum. It's like finding out your boyfriend is cheating on you but rather than break it off right then and there, you tell yourself all sorts of stories to convince yourself it isn't true. In hindsight, even ten minutes after it happened to me, I knew I shouldn't have answered those last questions. No one asks questions like that! I was smart enough to know better. But I was committed to him in some strange way, like I couldn't believe he would do that to me. And this is someone I didn't know, a total stranger. It's not something that makes sense or that's logical. I'm not saying that Mel Tucker is a predator (my guess is, he's not) but I think this is what predators are good at: getting you to relax your boundaries. 

NittanyFan

September 10th, 2023 at 4:29 PM ^

He's been around the program a long long time. 

Makes the most sense - even though we're only 2 games into the season and they're still undefeated - at this point you primarily want a 2-month, 10-game caretaker who has a strong degree of loyalty to MSU.

They did the same thing in 2002: Morris Watts to finish out the string after they fired Bobby Williams.

flashOverride

September 10th, 2023 at 4:49 PM ^

So a team who just went through the divisive agony (pending the announcement of actual firing) of their coach being fired for misconduct, who then proceed to lose their next four games (seems likely if all their prep is for Michigan, none of their next four are teams they can just roll), are then going to turn around and beat the two-time defending conference champs? I mean, yeah it can happen, but Dantonio would be coming in ice cold, they still have the same clown car staff of assistants the whole RCMB has wanted fired for a year, and six weeks is a hell of a turnaround time.

They're fucked.

flashOverride

September 10th, 2023 at 5:51 PM ^

And ha, yep, there it is, the first "We're gonna rally around this!" post on RCMB. What a trash fanbase. Yes you want your players to respond to adversity, but I personally would be kinda conflicted with, "Let's use our predator coach getting fired as a rallying cry"...you're not getting "wronged" here. And to compare it to Michigan's players supporting Harbaugh through his hypocrite NCAA clown show suspension is beyond ludicrous.

Your coach wasn't railroaded. He did a thing that's actually bad in the real world, not something only bad in the world of self-important NCAA "rule" enforcers. The university tried to cover it up as long as it could. If your players have any moral compass whatsoever, I don't think you're riding this to Indy, sorry.

ThadMattasagoblin

September 10th, 2023 at 4:46 PM ^

I saw someone post something a couple of days ago in the mgoblog imploding thread about Tucker not being the rape enabling person that they think Harbaugh is. That post now looks cringe worthy.

bronxblue

September 10th, 2023 at 4:47 PM ^

Not a surprise.  Dantonio being brought on after what happened during the end of his tenure...shows this is maybe more about getting out of his contract than some principled view of MSU brass against sexual harassment and mistreatment of others.

tspoon

September 10th, 2023 at 4:51 PM ^

A) $95MM over 10 years

B) phone sex in the most insanely ironic, embarrassing context

Mel chooses B

 

Seriously, can anyone think of a more egregious example of "the little head defeats the big head" in the entire history of male horn dog stupidity?

KBLOW

September 10th, 2023 at 5:02 PM ^

This is what makes me think Tucker is a sort of sexual predator. He likely was getting off on the power and humiliation he was trying to put the woman through. With the amount of money he was making, he could have been with the hottest and most expensive of escorts money could buy if it was only about being horny and needing sex.

MRunner73

September 10th, 2023 at 4:54 PM ^

State had to act fast on this incident. It had to be a next day firing thing or else the negative momentum of the news cycle would only make things worse.

Mel Tucker seemed doomed after so many transfers after last season. Mel to had rebuild the roster. No more Tuck coming and now it's Tuck-GONE!

No tears for Sparty. It will be interesting to watch how this season plays out for the green and white. I hope they go 2 and 10.

CFraser

September 10th, 2023 at 4:57 PM ^

They’ve been sitting on this for years and haven’t acted on it? That’s a $70MM+ get out of jail free card. Now you just look like you tried to bury it because you thought he was a great coach…which…man they really evaluated this guy wrong…over and over