Mark Schlabach Questions Charles Woodson's Heisman Season
August 5th, 2014 at 10:48 AM ^
Inflammatory headline.
Thoughts?
August 5th, 2014 at 10:51 AM ^
August 5th, 2014 at 10:53 AM ^
Maybe don't ask for "thoughts" if you're going to get all sensitive about things.
August 5th, 2014 at 10:57 AM ^
August 5th, 2014 at 11:26 AM ^
August 5th, 2014 at 11:49 AM ^
because voldemort is evil duh
August 5th, 2014 at 12:33 PM ^
1.) You bit on someone's (in this case, Schlabach's) obvious flamebait
2.) You broadcasted to the MGoCommunity that you bit on someone's (in this case, Schlabach's) obvious flamebait and then asked for our thoughts.
3.) Someone on the internet shockingly posted some snark directed towards your handling of the subject.
4.) You took it personally.
5.) When someone pointed this out to you, you doubled down on your initial feelings instead of admitting that you took something way too personally.
6.) You proceeded to proclaim that it is a problem with the community and that you've done nothing wrong and then fire off a bunch of pouty comments.
Look, I don't know you personally and you've contributee some nice stuff before, but I will swear on my life that I have witnessed you go through the above process at least twice before on this board. Just stop taking stuff so personally and avoid the flamebait articles.
I did post a "fuck you" kitten to a person in my position, so I suppose I'm guilty as well. As to your overall message, I likely did respond defensively, but it's more because I was annoyed by the poster's response. I think my overall point is true, however, even if I am guilty. I do apologize to the community if I offended anyone, as it was not my intention.
Forgot to add: I honestly wasn'y trying to link anyone to an espn article. My problem was with his statement, not the voting. To me, the voting was irrelevant; point taken, though.
August 5th, 2014 at 11:22 AM ^
mgo voldemort!
August 5th, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^
August 5th, 2014 at 12:57 PM ^
Hey be thankful you didn't assure us of a recruit's decision to attend our program which ended up not happening. As they say it could be worse.
August 5th, 2014 at 10:52 AM ^
Meh, whatever. Michigan fans like to vote and skew online polls like this, so whatever. It'll be interesting to see how the Woodson/Michigan fan base v. V. Young/Texas fan base vote works out.
August 5th, 2014 at 10:56 AM ^
against Texas, MSU and OSU and probably others.
August 5th, 2014 at 10:54 AM ^
Schlabach is a Georgia grad, so he probably still needs some Preparation H for the imagined slight against the SEC.
August 5th, 2014 at 10:57 AM ^
This guy works for ESPN right? I think he needs the H for more than that.
August 5th, 2014 at 10:55 AM ^
The folks who have the votes already voted. Its a snapshot in history and this snapshot has Charles holding the trophy. Sounds like Mr Schlabach is just trolling on a large scale.
August 5th, 2014 at 10:56 AM ^
Translation: CLICK HERE IT WILL MAkE YOU ANGRY TELL YOUR FRIENDS CLICK HERE!!!
August 5th, 2014 at 10:59 AM ^
August 5th, 2014 at 10:58 AM ^
These are the same people who had a staff poll- not an internet fan poll mind you, a sportswriter poll- that determined that UCLA was a better producer of NFL talent than Michigan was. UCLA...
...UCLA...
August 5th, 2014 at 11:01 AM ^
the Michigan/UCLA connection... 
August 5th, 2014 at 11:00 AM ^
I don't know who this guy is, nor do I care what he tweets. Anyways, Peyton lost the games that counted most that season.
August 5th, 2014 at 11:01 AM ^
Barry Sanders, Vince Young, Johnny Football, and Charles Woodson are going to fair better in these polls because most people that visit ESPN will actually remember their seasons.
August 5th, 2014 at 11:01 AM ^
Why even dignify it, totally for hits.
August 5th, 2014 at 11:05 AM ^
Woodson was a rare force on defense, offense, and special teams. Whatever the play was, he made it. Period, end of discussion.
August 5th, 2014 at 11:05 AM ^
If THIS guy likes you, it's actually more of an insult than it is a compliment:
August 5th, 2014 at 11:08 AM ^
that's old; now he's got 30 extra pounds and 30% less hair.
August 5th, 2014 at 11:15 AM ^
Gets the point across though, no? You'd be hard pressed to find a more objectively punchable face in sports. I mean... Skip Bayless and Colin Cowherd both approach that level of punchability, but if I'm staying objective, Schlabach blows them out of the water. He looks like a hemmorhoidal political talk show host.
August 5th, 2014 at 11:06 AM ^
mark schlabach gets in a "woodson over manning" potshot in virtually every article or chat he does. his entire career is based on criticizing woodson's heisman. he's an esssssssseeeeeeeesssseeeeee homer and basically intolerable. stop reading him.
August 5th, 2014 at 11:09 AM ^
woodson belongs way higher than manziel or newton.
however, i had a hard time voting for woodson over vince young. that season was incredible, from a stats and aesthetic standpoint.
August 5th, 2014 at 11:50 AM ^
agreed, the seeding seems off on several of those including chuck. woodson was incredible and no one can ever take away that season / career, nor the impact its had on the university and game in general. and i think he 100% deserved his heisman - id just have a hard time voting for his over some others. its always so tough to compare generations / eras when debating these types of exercises, but doesnt mean sports junkies do not try!.
in modern "internet" era, newtown and manziel both had pretty amazing single seasons - not many could top manziel who had like 5500 yds and 50 TDs while his team shocked many. but its tough to compare those type dudes across generations / eras to derrick thomas and barry sanders. thomas racked up 27 sacks in sec in 12 games and during different era, not many teams were spread out and throwing 30-50 times/game...thats crazy...clowney had writers blowing him with 15 sacks...sure clowney killed the combine but thomas was the real freak. and what needs to be said about barry other than best RB ever...the mute assassin had almost 3000 yds and 40 TDs, wow. id say those are 4 most impressive single seasons (newton easily #4)
August 5th, 2014 at 11:12 AM ^
Idiocy > michigan fans angery > more clicks > profit
It's posting this crap that is feeding the monster.
August 5th, 2014 at 11:13 AM ^
because no amount of whining will ever change it. When someone whines to you about it just say "No, Woodson won because he's awesome and Peyton sucked!" and watch them turn purple as you walk away laughing maniacally
August 5th, 2014 at 11:13 AM ^
August 5th, 2014 at 11:30 AM ^
Schlabach is ready to party!
August 5th, 2014 at 11:19 AM ^
August 5th, 2014 at 11:50 AM ^
you cant spell "Citrus" without "UT"
August 5th, 2014 at 11:30 AM ^
What idiots like Schlabach fail to recognize is not just Woodson's statistics, but the fact that Woodson took the word CLUTCH and made it his own that year. He came up with huge play after huge play at just the right time in some very close games including Ohio and the Rose Bowl.
Every position on the field has a certain relative expected contribution rate. For example - the expected contribution of a punter toward a team's success is a far cry from that of the QB. An RB or blitzin LB who sees action to minimum 50% of run plays not to mention sack opportunities at 100% of pass plays, will also have a higher expected contribution than any CB, especially when offenses may choose not to throw in that CB's direction.
What Woodson did from the CB position that year (and punt returns/WR, but still predominantly from CB) was arguably the most disproportionate contribution relative to expected contribution toward a team's success from one position in the history of college football.
And that is why he won the Heisman over Manning.
So Schlabach can suck it.
August 5th, 2014 at 11:40 AM ^
August 5th, 2014 at 11:45 AM ^
Who is this guy, anyway?
August 5th, 2014 at 11:48 AM ^
I question Mark Schlabach's question.
August 5th, 2014 at 11:49 AM ^
August 5th, 2014 at 11:49 AM ^