More implications, more improbable comeback against not only a traditional power, but one who was actually good this year. The team finally showing true grit. I'll always love UTL but last night was special.
Last night or UTL?
The drama as noted was about even depending on your disposiion for FB or BB.
Nationally speaking Karma (I like that) was a bigger game. Both teams had been ranked either 1 or 2. IMMEDIATE national title implications.
Its gotta be Karma.
Beilein can't recruit and is a horrible X's and O's coach. Brandon should fire him..... /s
And none of you can make me.
Both. I went a little crazier at UTL because I was there, but trying to rank them makes no sense. Both were awesome and unbelievable.
Word for word.
Yeah, it's like choosing between two of your children. Two incredible experiences for the Michigan fanbase.
I was at UTL so I'll always be biased in favor of that.
Then again, this game was the first Michigan basketball game I'd watched beginning to end that we won, so it was nice to break that curse.
Watched game last night on TV. I think that makes a difference. If you were at both or watched both on TV, tough call.
UTL but only cause I was there and last night I was screaming at a TV set.
I absolutely love our football team and are glad both mbball and football are back to where they should be. But last night was absolutely one of the best moments in my life as a Michigan fan. UTL was awesome too, but there was a little more on the line in this game. Great win for sure!
UTL was more exciting, I think, just because I was there. This game though, is the moment Trey Burke said goodbye. They never gave up and continued to chip away at the lead. I love watching this team play. I was jumping around like a mad man last night, but I didn't have any words to say. I was truly speechless.
time basketball won a game like this? I can think of a number of improbable football comebacks and where a game was stolen from basketball (Indiana, Wisc this year are top of mind). However, I just can't remember anything like this, man, they needed one to show themselves they can do it.
92 NCAA run the win against UCLA coming from17 or 18 down in the second half is the only thing that comes close for me. I think Jimmy King had a late tip in of a Rose miss. Didn't have the same late game heroics but comeback was improbable
1 seed Mich down 16 early in 2nd half to 8 (or 9) seed UCLA. (A young UCLA team that was to win the National Championship two years later.)
I had the same feeling in the final minutes and afterwards for both games. So I'll say equal in my book. UTL was a big deal also, while not being a bowl game it was Brady's first big game and really catapulted that team to their great season.
I like referring to it as Karma, but even better is... The Shot.
I will never ever forget where I was when that shot went down.
This need to be on a large mural in the entrance of the PDC.
Being at UTL obviously was more insane but last night was incredible. Although if I truly had to rank them I would still say UTL as that was a type of comeback unlike any other. And I have never seen the stadium and the crowd so electric
Both were amazing and left me speechless but the game last night had more importance for the basketball program in their attempt to climb back in to national prominence.
Hard to say what was the greatest...But in terms of improbable comebacks, this one takes the cake. Braylonfest has got nothing on Burkefest.
Question: What did you have for Burkefest?
Answer: Seared Jayhawk and a tall glass of Izzo's tears.
Be sure to stop by for Brunch tomorrow. We're serving gator. It'll be crazy.
Not just gator--gator subs.
epic-improbable-defining game in recent team history for both. UTL and Kansas Karma were eerily similar. The team played poorly in general throughout the game but somehow kept the opponent in striking distance. Then near the end, with the time left and the score, there is no chance they're going to win unless Michigan BOTH gets some assistance from the opponent AND more importantly make gigantic plays. They're jewels in both Denard and Trey's "legend" crown.
Fantastic comeback, fantastic atmosphere, magical night. But If we're to be honest, neither of those teams had a shot at a national title. The winner of Burkefest....It may be one in 8(or a little worse). But it's a shot.
Time will add perspective. Ultimately, if Michigan wins it all, than this comeback will be one of those "forever moments" in Michigan lore. If they don't make it to the Final Four, it will be a high point for a pretty good but still disappointing season.
you had this team pegged for Elite 8 at the start of the season ?
Wasn't the goal of this team final 4 or bust? Those expectations simmered down a bit towards the end of the season, though.
It's hard to set a goal like that. The Tourney is crazy. Making the Elite Eight is pretty damn good already.
Win or lose tomorrow, this is a very good season. You don't turn up your nose at an Elite Eight appearance when you hadn't even been to the Sweet 16 in 19 years. A Final Four would make this a great season, but it's very good right now.
I was there sec 216 last night surrounded by Kansas fans and it was great, if I where setting with Mich fans it would have been much better. But UTL with 114 thou rabid M fans was amazing!!
For me, I had an experience of pure religious style joy at the conclusion of the UTL game. It lasted thru Sunday morning.
Can I get an Amen?!!!!
Was unbelievable...I still like beating Ohio in football better than others...
Depends on how this basketball season finishes.
While the setting of the Sweet Sixteen is more significant, the UTL win was more dramatic. Teams occasionally come back from being 5 down with 20 seconds left in basketball. But 20 seconds on your own 20? UTL was the craziest and in that sense most glorious win ever. Plus, UTL was a win over a hated rival rather than a respected foe. Still, what a game last night! Even the comparison with UTL makes it glorious.
We were down 10 points with 2 minutes left.
Umhoops showed kenpom's win probability graph which had Michigan at 0.6% with a couple minutes to go. It was a near statistical certainty that last nights outcome shouldn't have happened.
That was pretty damn dramatic.
THIS IS MICHIGAN ! Moments like these are what this is all about.
UTL was a far more improbable victory against a HATED rival, so that is still #1 for me. The game last night was an offset to our game against IU (which would have secured a 2nd B1G title). That and the fact that in basketball those types of endings are not rare (uh ... Madison).
Hail to the VICTORS! Beat Florida!
Did you watch it to the end last night? From the game thread it sounded like you gave up.
Most exciting win since UTL, but UTL is still #1.
It really shouldn't be fair to say "it depends when we go out in the tournament" but it's sort of true. Crushing Notre Dame's hopes and dreams will always hold a special place in my heart while beating Kansas doesn't have that same appeal.
Still, after a groin shot and hearing multiple "Why so quiet??" chants from the Kansas fans makes beating them feel much much better. Right now I say UTL because of how important I felt it was for Hoke and national prominence and such, but this might become bigger.
if only because the UTL game was that much more improbable. 14 point comeback was awesome, but at UTL we were at our own 20 with like :20 seconds left. Last night's game was a more significant game but not quite as OMGEEE.
It's like comparing a 10/10 to a 9.9/10 though. Both blew my mind
I thought UTL was more exciting, but a Sweet 16 tournament win with the season on the line seems more important.
Speaking of questions, would you rather...
a) Have won a share of the Big Ten Title?
b) Make it to the Final Four, but not necessarily win the whole dance?
I'd go with b, since we just won a BTT last year. (This kind of Q/A "justifies" in my mind that losing a BTT at the last second was worth it if it means the timestream leads us to a Final Four apperance.)
B, no question. The Final Four is what everyone remembers.
(BTW, "BTT" usually refers to the Big Ten Tournament.)
Both games were amazing, and both games I was marking out. But last night was by far the best comeback I've seen in my life. They were down 5 with 10 seconds left. Crazy, this is magical.
Bigger stage. More pressure. Single elimination format. Achieved something that the school has not done in 20 years.
Both are awesome in their own right, but if I absolutely had to choose, I pick last night because we had subs, it was crazy.
Kansas game was a bigger win, but UTL was better? Maybe?
For a Kansas fan this game's misery will be comprable to a Penn State fan's misery after Henne to Manningham.
I think UTL was more impressive within the context. We just came out of 3 terrible years, we didn't really know if it was going to be any better. Totally depressing game for the first three quarters. Then the improbable comeback of comebacks began. Then the turrible defense meltdown. Then cloaking devices were deployed. Then, the miracle. I did not expect it in any way shape or form.
The Kansas game we expected the team to come out and perform. To win. We've known all season that this team is legit, that if they play to their potential they are as good as anyone in the country. The Shot was what Trey Burke is all about.
I think the difference was in the hope that we could win. In UTL there was almost no point after the first quarter where I thought "Holy shit, we could win this thing." When the defence collapsed it was all over. And then Hoke shat gold. And a funny thing has happened since. I now have the belief that we can win almost any game, in any sport. The deficit doesn't matter. I think this is one of the biggest differences between the RR era and Hoke's era. There's a belief, a hope that whatever the hurdle, whatever the challenge, we can come back and win. UTL was the beginning of that feeling. That's what makes it special to me.
P.S. I think we should call it the Puppy Party. 25 points?! That kid is freaking awesome.
because I was there. Can't beat the experience of being there with the crowd. However, last night's game was epic. Shots weren't dropping, they'd get a bit of a run and then Kansas would counter. I was not feeling good and then the improbable started happening.
Also, the end of last year's football game vs. Northwestern was pretty amazing. It's on the list, too. So many people left around us, the wife and I seemed like we were the only people in our section that stuck around for the improbable finish of that game.
It has to be called Karma. From the Elijah Johnson thing to seemingly every 50/50 ball bouncing straight to a Jayhawk to the miracle finish--I am not a religious man but there were forces at work that man does not comprehend.
UTL was more exciting and Kansas was more important.
UTL was a perfect night...I was at the Big House with my son who had graduated from Michigan the previous spring. It was a historic night, as it was the first night game at Michigan Stadium and weather-wise, it was absolutely perfect. It wasn't only that we won, it was the roller coaster ride over the last 70 or 80 seconds.
When the celebration started, it just went on and on....seemed like 45 minutes or so. Very few people left the stadium. Sleep? Ha....not that night. I have seen maybe 150 games at the big house, and many were more important, but that game was just different.
Last night will go down as a classic, and no one can doubt its importance, but for me, it will always be Denard throwing that pass. I don't ever expect to top that memory....ever. I will take it to my grave.
UTL because the comeback was more drawn out, so the anticipation had longer to build and the excitement creeped up. Also, had Trey's shot been for the win, then it may get the nod. Also also, as others said, being at the UTL game pushes it over the top.
It was crazy, even without subs.
Was obviously very important. But I'd argue UTL was just as important. It was a very impactful night for recruiting, even though only one commitment spawned directly from it. It was the difference between the Sugar Bowl and the Outback/Cap1 with 10-2 vs 9-3. And it must've given the team some swagger and the idea that the program was really headed in the right direction, which is crucial under a new coach
And let's not forget UTL was probably a big part of getting one Mitch McGary.
We go on to win the title, last night. Under the lights second most exciting, but I'd still take the Rose Bowl against Washington St as my other favorite game along with last night.
Last night. But only because I was actually at that one and unfortunately not at the UTL. Still gettin chills when I see that replay of the Burke shot.
Great question! For me, selfishly, it was UTL because I was there. Last night was amazing but Michigan was there before (twice) in the Fab Five era when I was in school there. UTL was unlike anything I've experienced.
Option C: 2004 Michigan State
But really, it's all just a first-among-equals thing.
I vote last night. The implications by itself push it over the edge (let alone the shock value). And by the same test, I'd venture to say that last night was our biggest victory since the 1999/2000 Orange Bowl, and maybe even the 1997/1998 Rose Bowl.
The thing is that if you lose the football game it is a loss and then you move on to the next week's game. The 2011 football team was never going to win a national championship anyway so there were no bigger implications other than just that one loss if we lose to ND. In the tourney, you get the loss but it is not just a loss. It is win or go home. Football occasionally has games that are effectively elimination games for the national championship but that wasn't really in play at UTL. The magnitude of continuing your season, or not, makes this the greater game.
They're like 1a and 1b really. Both are monumental wins for Hoke and Beilein. I think last night has a good argument because it was a win or go home game. But, win or lose last night, everyone knew Beilein had built up a solid program. Beilein would still recruit well.
No one knew what we'd get out of Hoke at first. UTL solidified Hoke's foundation for the program, bolstered recruiting (if I recall, Dymonte committed right after the game), and gave us momentum for the rest of the season, culminating in beating OSU and a Sugar Bowl win, which in turn further churns the recruiting engine and the program's momentum. We don't win that game against Notre Dame, and we are arguably a few steps behind where we're at now, especially in recruiting.
Last night's game was way bigger. UTL was great, but I felt like we were way more lucky than good at UTL. I didn't have that same feeling about last night's game.
Michigan's Comeback Kids. Undersized overachievers who brought the school back to glory in hoop and football over a two-year span. To win their biggest game in 19 years in such a fashion just. . . defies gravity.
Can't really choose. Both are definitely on my shortlist of best Michigan games ever.
Bu this game. Going to the Elite 8 is a huge success not screen by M in like 20 years. Also, ND wasn't great during the UTL year which we won. Kansas was a 1 seed and so this win was more unlikely.
At home was down big, touchdown to take the lead and win the game with 2 seconds to go! No question it was under the lights. On paper it might not seem to be as big with getting to the Elite 8 but in grand scheme of things UTL cemented Hoke and will help to get football back on track.
I hate how people keep saying Burke heaved that shot or it was a "hail mary". He got his shot., a shot that he takes many times in a game and frequently makes. That was all talent.
It's when preparation meets opportunity.
Under the Lights. Nothing will top the experience of the improbable Jeremy Gallon catch followed up by the catch by Tree. Then having the 100,000 fans stay in the stadium for an hour after the game.
This was a crazy game but not on the same magnitude. Glad i went though.
English soccer great George Best has an awesome quote that seems wholly appropriate:
"If I had to choose between dribbling past 5 players and scoring from 40 yards at Anfield or shagging Miss World, it'd be a hard choice. Thankfully, I've done both."
Both were about even in terms of improbable come backs and craziness in general. However, I was at UTL so it was crazier for me.
I pick UTL because, well, it's football. Basketball can't compete with Michigan football in my opinion.
I loved UTL, and I probably went a bit crazier for that because I prefer football, but there's just no comparison implication-wise. The stakes were waaaaaay higher for this game, and the comeback was even more unlikely than the comeback in UTL was, as hard as that might be to believe. Last night may well be the single greatest game of basketball I've ever seen.
UTL was Ginger; last night was Mary Anne.
Only because I was there, last night is a close second.
Last night was a much bigger win for Michigan, but UTL will always be better for me. For one thing, basketball is behind football and hockey for me. Also, I spent most of my life around South Bend and hate ND more than any other school. But there is no reason to choose. They were both amazing games.
Hard to say. I was at UTL with my Dad. It is a day I will never forget.
Under the TV
While I was on the field for UTL, which is my pick for THE best game ever at Michigan Stadium, what Trey and Co. did last night was also incredible.
UTL -- Denard drove his team 90 yards in exactly 28 seconds (remember 2 seconds remained on the board requiring Michigan to kickoff).
Karma -- Trey and Co. had about 8 seconds to go approximetely 50 feet to where Burke launched the 3-pointer to send the game into OT.
I'm saying UTL was more impressive...barely.
In UTL, we started that last possession at our own 20, not 10. Also, we only needed a FG to tie, so we didn't actually have to go 80 yards, although we did.
Last night we had 12 seconds on that final possession, down 3.
In both cases, though, the final possession was just the topper to an incredible comeback in the final minutes of the game. We were down 10 with 2:30 to go yesterday!
I'm with those who say, how do you choose? You can't really choose between your children. They were both great games, and I enjoyed both of them immensely.
But I will say this: the basketball team still has a chance at winning it all. Even though (theoretically) the football team could have won it all, it really still wasn't there yet, in terms of both defense and offense. For this reason, I'm also with those who if forced to choose, would go with basketball.
The analogy for me in football would be winning against Ohio, or in the Big 10 Championship game, or in the opening game of the upcoming National Championship bracket, knowing that a win would put you in the National Championship game. UTL was close to the beginning of the year, and it was not against one of the top teams in the country. Yes, I watch more football, but this game was seen by more, and has greater national implications.
UTL was pretty awesome. And for those saying we weren't going to win the national title, we went 11-2. We had a pretty damn good season, even if we weren't as good as our record. If we get that TD called against Iowa, maybe we go 11-1 in the regular season and then who knows what happens?
It's hard to say that a comeback from 10 down with 2 minutes left in an NCAA tournament game can be topped, but anytime you salvage an undefeated football season with a last second victory over Notre Dame it's a big big big deal.