kill me now.
Kelly to Notre Dame suggested by semi-legit source
Just hope its not Kelly & the source is wrong
"The source, who is a well-informed person of influence at Notre Dame, says the Cincinnati coach is the preferred choice for the job, and that he is expected to eventually sign a deal." Eventually? This sounds a bit flaky to me.
is this is irish equivalent to TMZ/Perez Hilton?
as soon as yesterday it was reported that Kelly will not talk about other jobs until AFTER Cinci plays Pitt.
You are using future tense to describe the past in your post. Both funny and odd. It's like saying "I am going to the grogery store yesterday".
I love the "grogery" store.
they have a very nice "grogery" store in Yarmouth.
Yeah, it's right next to the licker store, down the street from the meet market.
Edit* I can't believe you guys have never heard of the Grogery Store.....You must live under a rock!
I hardly even know her...!
Kelly is expected to see out the season with his Bowl Championship Seties-bound team, and then report for duty at South Bend.
Well, it actually just says they want him.
"The source, who is a well-informed person of influence at Notre Dame, says the Cincinnati coach is the preferred choice for the job, and that he is expected to eventually sign a deal."
Of course ND thinks that anyone will sign a deal with them.
Having said that, I was kinda worried when he said today he had no interest in the ND job. That means he's interested.
...he's gone. He's led Cincinnati to being perhaps the best it can be and will probably not be able to keep it up indefinitely. He's signalled his availability and would be a fool not to take a job at a school as prestigious as Notre Dame.
They're getting a new football facility in time for next season, so maybe that place isn't as bad as you think?
I suspect there is a lot more to do in Cinci than in South Bend, Indiana, a city in decline like much of the midwest due to loss of manufacturing jobs. The biggest problem with Cincinnati is the size of the stadium and, in theory, that may be addressed. Sometimes less is more, but since Kelly hasn't denied anything, I would guess there might be something to the rumor. ND, believe it or not, is not a terribly large school - less than a third the size of Michigan. That reflects on what the area will support in terms of quality creature comfort.
I am implying that they can only recruit to a certain level until they develop a tradition of excellence and get some prestige for the football program. This exists at Notre Dame.
I guess I was implying that their new facility might make it easier to recruit...and based on their #5 ranking, it looks like he might not need much more recruiting.
I guess my point wasn't necessarily directed at you, just a general observation that Cincy might be better than we give it credit for.
But obviously the ND job is still a very attractive one, too.
omg omg omg omg
Relax people. Dude has as much or lesser upside as RR had when he came in. We will be up and running by the time he catches his breath. The Purdue's and MSU's of the world better look out though.
at least he'll have to start over with a new QB and no Golden Taint.
The next ND coach will inherit a lot of young talent. They may lose a few of the upperclassmen, but it may be a pretty good situation to step in to.
Maybe. Floyd hasn't been able to stay healthy, JC and Golden are gone, Crist had ACL surgery, and BK hasn't shown any ability to coach defense. This transition should go quite a bit smoother than ours, but to say they're going to hit the ground running is a bit ND.
I didn't mean to imply that they'd be an instant BCS team. I was only implying that it wasn't a bad situation to step in to. It's not like they're starting from scratch. I think we agree that the transition "should go... smoother than ours." That's really about all I was saying.
Does "kill me now" mean you won't be starting 8.7 threads per day anymore?
surprised that he hasn't plus voted himself yet...
I love it when Brian negs people's posts
to tell you that you should find something new to do in your spare time....
And now he has!!! Good call, I guess he wanted to stop the bleeding.
i'm kind of...surprised that he hasn't plus voted himself yet...
One possible reason is that he's had some trouble locating the plus vote icon. As of this writing, he has 3056 total votes; 2760 of them have been negs and only 296 found that elusive up arrow.
How many threads has he started?
I was looking for the opportunity to post this myself but you beat me to it :( but its still kobemol-arious :)
i'm kind of surprised this thread isn't about recruiting or future depth charts containing players who aren't even committed to UM.
Magnus: I fear that his posting instincts are so engrained that, much like an involuntary twitch, they would continue for some time after his death, albeit at a slower rate.
He changed his avatar.. I was wondering who you were talking about.
this coming from the guy who makes 107.32 posts per day.
Hi, k06em...I mean, Dwight.
another inaccurate, deep as the Los Angeles River post from Magnus
Dwight Schrute: Security in this office park is a joke. Last year I came to work with my spud-gun in a duffle bag. I sat at my desk all day with a rifle that shoots potatoes at 60 pounds per square inch. Can you imagine if I was deranged?
of influence told Herbstriet that Les Miles was going to be the Head Coach at a certain Midwestern University as well.
That appears to have been proven incorrect.
Miles to ND? J/K
you're saying that any irish fan site that says ND wants Kelly is iron clad proof that he's leaving Cinci to go to SB?
And oh, yeah,
Get your popcorn ready. I think we are about to see some high scoring M vs ND games if this is true.
I just saw a report saying Randy Edsel of U Conn is at the top of the list, until someone signs I'm not going to worry about it. Even then I'm not really going to worry about it, we've always held are own against Notre Dame no matter who they had as coach.
I think that now brings the total of semi-legitimate speculative candidates to 12.
Who am I missing
I saw it in my PB&J sandwich last night.
Big J is coming back to the earth to straighten us out, stop terrorist attacks, and try to lead ND football out of the morass it has fallen into.
Big J is coming back to the earth to straighten us out, stop terrorist attacks, and try to lead ND football out of the morass it has fallen into.
In reverse chronological order, natch.
Might as well throw Fitzgerald in there.
Paul Johnson, Bill Cowher, Corwin Brown, Gus Malzahn.
Who am I missing
Who will be Notre Dame's head coach?
The 1991 Denver Broncos?
I read on Maize n Brew, that Mike DeBoard boarded a plane this morning headed for South Bend.
"OFFICIAL" and "semi-legitimate source" kinda conflict with one another, now don't they?
Sorry bud, Kelly may ultimately become ND's coach. But when it happens, I doubt the official announcement will come from some semi-legit place.
But it is not true. There isn't a contradiction if the source is saying "it's offical" but the source is only semi-legit.
In this case though, I don't believe the source has said it is official, only likely. So in this case the poster is only semi-legit.
Agreed. Which is why the subject of my post was "Your thread title".... to indicate my point was about the OP, not the source or article itself.
(Take note that he has since changed the title.)
What I am saying is that it would not be contradictory if the source actually said that it was official. The "official" is describing whether Kelly has made an official statement as to whether he accepted the job. The "semi-legit" is describing the source from which the news has come. They can't contradict when they are describing two different things.
Although in my own defense, I said they "kinda conflict," which is a bit more grey (intentionally so) than saying they are contradictory.
Maybe I should've played it safe and just said that the OP's original title was inaccurate. Or that it sucked. Or something along those lines.
That is always a safe one. +1 to you
I still don't understand why some people are so terrified of Kelly going to ND. Can someone help me out here?
First of all, there are about 4 or 5 other coaches who would be more frightening to me. This includes Meyer, Stoops, Carrol, Saban, and maybe a few others.
I'm not saying that Kelly is not a good coach by any means. But I am not 100% sold that he is going to turn ND back into some sort of juggernaut.
All those Michigan fans, like myself, that are pretty disappointed with the progress that RR has made in two years should realize that Kelly might have it just as hard. Sure, the regime change will not be as extreme as it was here. But, I think our program was in better shape when RR stepped in than ND will be when Kelly gets there.
Do I think RR is the right man for the job? Yes, I do. Could Kelly be the right man for the ND job? Sure he can. But I'm definitely not shaking in my boots.
I think ND has a deeper and more well developed talent pool than we had when RR took over. I think that's the biggest part of the reason it's taken him so long (relatively) to get anything going.
I don't think there was enough here to work with.
And I think ND has it.
especially considering that Kelly is more of an offensive coach and Notre Dame's problems lie more on the defense.
That said, he will probably be able to construct Notre Dame's offense into a "scoring machine" quickly as he will alter his offense based upon the strengths of his players. Plus, Notre Dame's offense currently similar to New England's where it is a "pro-style spread" for lack of a better term. Kelly would not have to wait a couple of years to get all the players he needs to run the offense he wants.
You asked why people are so scared of Kelly as coach? He has succeeded everywhere he's been. He's had exactly ONE losing season in his entire college head coaching career and that was his first year with a TERRIBLE Central team. Last I checked Coach Rod had more losing seasons here than Kelly has ever let alone in his past.
Please don't take this as passing judgment on Coach Rod because I'm all in. I have, however, witnessed first hand at GVSU as well as at Central the job Kelly has done in the past. I can almost guarantee that if he takes the ND job success won't be far behind.
Let's just look at his Cincinnati resume:
He takes over at the end of the 06 season and wins the bowl game with players he hardly knows.
In 07 they go 10-3 in his first full season. In 08 they go 11-3 despite losing three QBs to injury and lost the Orange Bowl.
They are currently unbeaten after losing 10 defensive starters from the previous year and on the verge of another BCS bid with an outside shot at the NC. And btw, he's accomplished this finishing at the bottom of the Big East in recruiting (based on rankings) let alone national recruiting.
That's why myself and others don't want him at ND let alone anywhere in the midwest. Despite the above word is that many Irish fans are skeptical of him. Good. Short of Urban Meyer I'd rather have anyone take over other than Kelly.
I've said this before, but it's especially scary how he finds/develops his QBs. Cullen Finnerty, who won two or three NCs at DII Grand Valley is in the NFL, then he recruited Dan LeFevour at Central. When he came to Cinci, Tony Pike was 5th string or something like that. Pike would be a heisman finalist if he had been healthy all year. I, too, am terrified of the idea of Brian Kelly at ND
Pike was a freshman when Kelly took over, so fifth string doesn't mean he was terrible, just not ready. And he's had a pretty damn good qb in front of him too.
Because none of the other guys you mention are leaving their jobs...
Not really sure why this would cause any panic. Yes, B. Kelly is a good coach. I hate to break it to anyone who goes running for the hills over this but whether it is Kelly or someone else, ND will end up with a good coach. Regardless of their past few years . . . ok, decades . . . head coach at ND is still one of the most prestigious coaching jobs out there.
So yes, if they get Kelly, they probably return to some degree of dominance in a year or so. Good. I am tired of the UM/ND game being considered a second fiddle match up. I am also tired of our crappy out of conference schedule, and would be excited to see us consistently go up against an elite non-B10 program much like OSU goes up against USC or Texas.
Also, for those out there who will be upset if this turns out to be true because they harbored secret hopes of us getting Kelly, please tell me why you think that Kelly's resume is any better than RR's pre-Michigan resume.
It's not true that ND automatically ends up with a great coach. Just look at Weis!
The reason Kelly is terrifying is that he is a proven commodity at the college level. He turned GVSU into the dominant program at D2, won the MAC with Central in his second year I think, has a Big East title and is currently undefeated and favored to win a second Big East title at Cincinnati in his 3rd and 4th years. If it weren't for the rarity of 3 other BCS undefeateds and a mid major ranked of his team, he'd be contending for a national title at a school with no practice facility and a stadium that seats under 40k.
Give that dude Notre Dame's resources and he'll build a monster. Our best case scenario in that situation is that he has NFL dreams and is gone in 3/4 years. Best case scenario with Not Kelly (or any of the pipe dream candidates) is they hire some kind of coordinator who may turn out to be stupid like Weis. Of the coordinators who have been bandied about by the media and aren't coaches in waiting at premier football schools (Muschamp) only Charlie Strong is concerning to me. And he's black, so I doubt ND hires him.
ND didn't land a good coach in its last three searches, so I wouldn't assume one is guaranteed this time around. If they don't land Kelly, they could well end up holding the bag again.
As for Kelly's resume not being better than RR's, I agree, but the fact that they're even comparable makes me uneasy. I don't want ND landing a hot coaching name.
Did we learn nothing from semi official announcemnts, media outlets with unethical, or nonexistent credentials?
Two years, ago I think it was semi official that Miles was the Head Coach at Michigan. Even a major media source broke news of it on their headline college football program.
This may be true, and it does make a ton of sense. I don't get worked up over any rumors anymore that aren't announced by the university.
I'm also of thinking a good Notre Dame is good for the Big 10. Makes our wins look better, and makes the midwest more palatable for recruits.
700 WLW, a radio station in Cin., just said that they had word that Kelly signed a contract extension at Cin. this afternoon.
Do you have a link or any more details? He's already on contract until 2013.
The ND fans posting after the article don't even believe the writer. Not legit enough when you state you only got this info from a "credible source" near the program. How the hell do we know its credible?
a source told me that irishcentral.com may not be a very reputable website. but then another source told me that said source may not know what he is talking about. both of these sources are legit and credible so i am very confused. i'm looking for another source to set me straight.
a big east coach known as an offensive guru with suspect defense? stop me when you've heard it before.
im clearly not shaking in my boots.
it will be interesting, however fair or not, the comparisons between kelly and rr and how kelly's (if he is indeed hired) first year will go when juxtaposed with rr's first year.
Rodriguez had a suspect defense at WVU?
his defenses were ranked good to pretty good while playing in a middling big east conference. his defenses at michigan, however, are a different story.
without flaming the fires magnus, since i know you're not happy either, rodriguez is known as an offensive genius but the jury is still out on what his defenses will look like.
likewise, kelly got in shootouts with big east powerhouses like uconn where the score was something like 121-99.
There is no comparison. Kelly or whoever ends up accepting the ND job will have a 5-star junior (redshirt sophomor) QB as their starter with Crist (spelling?). Also, ND's entire roster is made up of largely 4 and 5 start prospects, and is composed of a large number of juniors and senious on BOTH sides of the ball. RR came in with Sheridan as his QB, and then a true freshman in Tate, with an O-line almost entirely made up of younder players and a very bare cupboard on defense (nobody is still seriously debating that the cupboard was bare, right?).
So whoever comes in next year to ND will be way ahead of where RR was right off the bat.
Also, +1 for the use of juxtaposed.
Actually, you could make a pretty good comparison.
When Rodriguez got here, he had a 5-star sophomore quarterback. He also had a roster chock full of well regarded recruits, possibly as much or more "talent" as Notre Dame has right now.
But Rodriguez's 5-star QB transferred to Arkansas, and about 20 other kids left, too.
It's not a perfect comparison, because the scheme change won't be as radical. But it's not the worst comparison, either.
" (spelling?). Also, ND's entire roster is made up of largely 4 and 5 start prospects, and is composed of a large number of juniors and senious"
And which defense are you talking about, last year's, or the one we just finished?
A friend of my counsin's friend's father just told me that a private jet has left a small airport just outside of South Bend.
Pair that with the fact that I just heard on my hand-held scanner that some guy was pulled over in a routine traffic stop in central Indiana, and while I could not hear his last name, I heard clear as day that his first name was Bill.
Sh*t, we are all doomed. ND just signed Bill Belichick as their new head coach.
Or his "counsin"
Via Big House Blog
that means it would never happen.
I'm actually now rooting for Texas to lose, FL beat bama (somewhat big) and then Cinci win big vs Pitt. That could potentially put Florida vs. Cinci in the BCS title game and there is no way that Kelly would leave Cinci before the title game. And well, it seems highly unlikely that ND would wait over a month to wait on any coach.
But would we get a press conference where Kelly chokes up and talks about his "damn fine football team"?
The irishcentral post reads more like a trial balloon than anything else. The balloon is to see how apopleptic ND stakeholders are about the reality of Kelly taking the job, or to torpedo any chance Kelly has by making it look official way before it really is.
Word on the street is Kelly passed out at a 31 flavors last night.
It normally takes him 3 nano seconds to chime in when Notre Dame is mentioned.
What happened to those "NFL sources" that were certain it was Stoops?
How the hell did you get 700+ points in 3 or so days?
Over the weekend I saw a post by you and you had like 300 points. Now you're over 1000? I call shenanigans.
One of the good things about him starting so many threads is that it makes it easy to find the guy who decided to upbang every single one of his posts.
Does Kelly have good PR skills for this high profile job, he seems like he comes off like Tx Tech's Mike Leach
well, if nothing else, the rivalry is back.
We passed on this guy. Why the hell would we be afraid of him. We have a BETTER coach. If you are afraid of the talent the great white fail has stockpiled there, then that is going to be an issue regardless of who is hired there.
While I'm a RR supporter and fervently hope he succeeds here, I don't see how anybody can say with the confidence you evidently have that RR has PROVEN he's the better coach than Kelly. He's been HC at two places, and at one of them he has been—so far—a pretty spectacular disappointment. Kelly has gotten it done at three different schools; won multiple NCs at his first and were it not for our fucked up system would be in excellent position to compete for another one at Cincy. I think we're at the point where we can't simply ascribe Kelly's success to random chance.
Rodriguez isn't a "spectacular disappointment" unless you're speaking from the perspective of someone who expected 10 wins from freshman quarterbacks and walk-on defenders.
I said here before the season that we'd be anywhere from 5-7 to 7-5, but that doesn't mean that disappointment isn't warranted. There's no question that inexperience and depth have been big problems, but I'm not convinced that they account for us zooming to the literal bottom of the conference within a year in the vast majority of defensive statistics, and towards the bottom in a good number of offensive ones, too. We have exactly one road win in two seasons; plenty of lousy teams manage more than that in two years. Our defense in 08 did not have the walkons RR had to use in 09, and had a number of returning starters to boot, yet they were still awful. The offensive woes played a part, but to put all the blame on that unit seems a bit of a stretch to me. This year the offensive staff showed no imagination at all in how Denard was used, you yourself criticized the playcalling on the goal line stand at Illinois in terms of having Brown try to power it up the middle when that's clearly not his strong suit, and the staff made some boneheaded decisions in the Purdue game (unwisely putting on a punt block after our D had secured a rare three-and-out) and got caught with their pants down on special teams as well in that game.
It is possible to be a Rodriguez supporter and believe he deserves 4 years to show what he can do, and still be disappointed in how some aspects have turned out so far.
but if he wasn't Barry Alvarez probably would have been in this discussion, no?
The Detroit News picked up this "story."
[/ Legitimate reporting in a Detroit newspaper]
I just hope they go through a minimum of two years below .500 too...they might not recover if that happens.
Charlie "Beluga Ate A Fullback" Weis was last seen hitchhiking back to Foxboro with a sign saying "Will Draw Plays For Four-Course Meals". Belichick has yet to comment, but he has set up a video camera 'behind enemy lines' as they say to track Charlie's calls on his way east.
Cue the "Damn proud of my football team!" press conference on Saturday...
It was stated on today's College Football live that Kelly is not leaving Cinci
Paul Johnson as well!
The Stoops smoke hasn't really gone away just yet. As an Irish fan I have to say that I would be happy with Stoops and his defense, and Kelly with his offense. Kelly's D, while clearly not stunning, does the job well enough.
During the last two searches the people on the list were common knowledge around town in South Bend. Right now there is nothing, and I've heard from more than one person that the only people who know something for sure are Father Jenkins and Jack Swarbrick. I think everything being "reported" out of SB right now is nothing more than a guess. Jack and Jack alone is making the decision. There are no committees like the last two searches.
its BS, man there are some funny posts in here,
best new ND HC thread so far, I hope this is a sign of things to come (threadwise)?
Dammit, Domer, why don't take your fucking compliments and spread that kind of bullshit around on a Notre Dame message board? Take your good will and shove it up your ass. Your name is Irish and, therefore, you are an insult to this board's very existence. The next time you say something nice on this here board, I swear to God, I'll rip your head off and spit down your throat.
- Any moment now, a stork will come in with the new baby panda. Let's just see if I can see what's going on there. [looks through the crowd at the panda giving birth]
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