If Wisconsin loses to MSU, are we a #1 seed no matter what?
It seems to be common knowledge that the brackets are completed and submitted before the Big Ten Tournament Championship game is over. If Wisconsin loses to MSU, I think we're a #1 seed no matter the result. Either way let's win the whole damn thing. Go Blue!
I think Duke or Virginia could slip in there with the ACC Championship.
I actually think we are better off rooting for Wisconsin because their stat profile is better than MSU and will pay off more.
This. We have a much better shot if we beat Wisconsin ourselves. We've already beaten MSU twice, besides.
the melt down for commentators everywhere is going to be unreal....
Unless the ACC champ sneaks in, but I think it will be us by this much
Nova shouldn't get a 2 seed, let alone a 1. They haven't played anybody and lost the first game of their conference tourney. I think Michigan is a 2 lock, and I'm not concerned if they don't get a 1.
I doubt it...I think we would need to win the Big Ten regardless to even think about #1. A few other things probably need to happen too.
March 15th, 2014 at 11:24 PM ^
What "few other things" would need to happen in your mind?
I think we'd still need to win. I'm not sure an 8-loss team has ever been a #1 seed.
but people had Kansas as the last 1 yesterday as an 8 loss team. We would have a top 5 SOS, with a .667 wp vs top 50 team (10-5).
Duke or Virginia have a strong shot at the 1 even if we win. That last one seed is really up for grabs between M, UVA, Duke, and Wisconsin. If Duke and Wisonsin end up in their respective conference finals the selection between the Big and ACC tourney champ will come down to splitting hairs.
UVA is the last other contender playing, I think. A lot of people have Duke pretty low on the seed lines. Ideally NC State wins the ACC though.
If Wisconsin wins today, I would imagine the winner tomorrow is the #1 in the East and the loser is the Midwest #2. That's easy enough to flip last minute, you just keep Big Ten teams out of the 8/9 and 7/10 games in those regions, respectively.
Um....no.
Actually we need to BEAT Wisconsin to have a shot at the #1 seed. I still think it's a very longshot no matter what but to have a chance we need to beat the hightest ranked teams we can.
I think it's a win-win for Michigan. An earlier than Michigan exit to the tournament puts Wisconsin behind us. A victory over Wisconsin tomorrow puts us ahead of them since they are a bubble one-seed just like Michigan is. So, I think I will just want to sit, relax, and hope for a good game with MSU and Wisconsin since, to me, either outcome is good for Michigan.
champ. If it is Duke/Virginia, then probably not. If it is NC State, maybe. But then Villanova is back in play.
Teams that give up nearly 100pts in a loss should never be in the running for #1 seeds. Double that for teams that gave up nearly 100pts twice in losses.
Virginia will not get a #1 seed
The last #1 will be the perpetually overseeded Duke. Duke will exit in a Sweet 16 game.
I think most of you missed the premise of this post. The results of the Big Ten Championship game don't affect the bracket, because the picks are finalized before it ends. So "we need to win tomorrow" is not a valid response.
Except that's not true. The committee does NOT have both Michigan & Wisconsin slotted already and the result of the game tomorrow will influence where they are placed.
Yes, it is. Try and follow: the big ten championship game finishes too late to be considered by the committee. The game tips off 2.5 hours before the CBS selection show.
He did not specifically call out the championship game however.
They can reach agreement based on the outcome of the game. They will have two Wisconsin/Michigan spots depending on the winner.
Bracket Matrix now has Wisconsin as a #1 seed. Villanova and Kansas are still ahead of Michigan but Michigan is at 2.06 while Kansas is 2.04. Obviously a Michigan Victory should help against both Villanova and Kansas.
but they do they make more then 1 bracket based on the scenario's. So if Wisconsin wins today, then they will have atleast 2 brackets with UM has a 1 and Wisconsin as the 2, or the other way around. So while all the at-large teams are in today (unless someone steals a bid tommorow) there are still more then 1 bracket tonight.
Just to reiterate: we ABSOLUTELY want MSU to win.
Tomorrow's result isn't considered by the committee, so if Wisconsin wins, they'll almost certainly stay ahead of us regardless of what happens tomorrow.
This isn't correct. The commitee will have contigency brackets in place based on all possible outcomes of tomorrows games. Whether we win or lose is absolutely important tomorrow.
Good lord - no. Still, no. The game tips off less than 3 hours before CBS announces the brackets live on TV. It is what it is. Have you seriously never heard this before? I thought it was common knowledge.
You're wrong and that's alright, I'll even treat you with minimum snark about it. A favor it doesn't seem likely I'll have returned to me. Here's some reading for you:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/andy_glockner/02/24/Brack…
This passage may be of particular interest:
"Advancements in the technology the committee uses makes planning for contingencies much easier than it used to be. If the ACC (possibly Duke and/or North Carolina pushing for a 1-seed) or (especially) the later Big Ten final (where Michigan State and/or Ohio State could also be seeking a 1-seed) have a matchup in place by Saturday night that could impact the overall seeds, the committee would have multiple contingency brackets in place, and then use the one that's applicable based on Sunday's results."
the only thing in your post that actually suports him is that it specifically lists MSU and OSU. My take on that is that If Michigan or Wisconsin were in the BTT title game a #1 seed is very likely.
Now. I can't say that this was an intended inferential statement, but I could definitely see people reading that in it.
March 15th, 2014 at 10:37 PM ^
2012
March 15th, 2014 at 10:42 PM ^
This was in effect last year also.
Will the Sunday conference tournament finals matter? There's a general perception that the major-conference tournament finals that land on Selection Sunday are discounted (or ignored completely). A recent example comes from last year, when Kentucky beat Florida in the SEC title game but stayed a 4-seed in my bracket (and the committee's, as well) while Florida remained a 2 in both. A plausible explanation is that Kentucky was moved up in the S-curve and Florida was moved down based on that result, but neither moved enough to change their nominal seed. Whether you agree with that seed determination based on an analysis of the teams' entire 30-plus game track records is different from the result being ignored. Advancements in the technology the committee uses makes planning for contingencies much easier than it used to be. If the ACC (possibly Duke and/or North Carolina pushing for a 1-seed) or (especially) the later Big Ten final (where Michigan State and/or Ohio State could also be seeking a 1-seed) have a matchup in place by Saturday night that could impact the overall seeds, the committee would have multiple contingency brackets in place, and then use the one that's applicable based on Sunday's results. Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/andy_glockner/02/24/Brack…
You don't think they prepare more than one bracket based on the possible results of Sunday? CBS gets the bracket 30 minutes before the show.
sigh.
The Badgers defeated Minnesota in a quarterfinal, rallied to beat Michigan State in a semifinal, and defeated Illinois in the final. However, because the game was played too late to be taken under consideration by the NCAA Tournament selection committee, the Badgers received a #6 seed.
Citing a decade old result, no less
Don't confuse people by using logic and good judgement
March 15th, 2014 at 10:44 PM ^
Yeah and everything in the world has remained the same since 2004 which is the year this refers to.
Please! Just admit you are wrong.
according to Greg Shaheen, there are usually 6 contingency brackets at the end of Saturday night (6 games on Sunday). So, the notion that Sunday doesnt matter is false.
Ugh.
The Big Ten final is the very last game. The timing means it usually can't be considered while they rush to figure everything else out, if it even finishes before the brackets are sent in,
U-GH-L-Y you ain't got no alibi you UGH-LY, yeah you ugh-ly.
M-AH-M-A, how do you think you got that way, yo MAH-MA, yeah, yo mahma.
Ugh.
Can't wait to hear brackets tomorrow. For now, I'm in one of those places where I'm going to the beach. Have fun everyone.
It'd be particularly easy just to flip UM/Wisc if that's the matchup. Winner get's the #1 in the East, loser gets #2 in the Midwest.
Pizzahaus and the OP, Where are you getting your information? And why do you think this is common knowledge? You really think Sunday's games have no meaning? Some years the Sunday games may not be as important and the brackets are more or less set in place but this year there is quite a bit riding on tomorrow's games.
No one ever said Sunday's games have no meaning. We said there is only one game that has little to no meaning because it is played so late. Half of you completely changed the argument to if Wisconsin wins today. Clearly, if Wisconsin wins then they will hold out to see the winner between Michigan and Wisconin. But, if they lose they will absolutely have Wisconsin slotted and most likely know where Michigan will be as well.