Hunter declaring, retaining eligibility
Still feel pretty confident he's coming back, but that would be a large nut kick if he left
Unless someone is reclassifying to 2021...
The NBA is full of 7 ft. stiffs that have zero potential and still make millions of dollars per year. Hunter would be worth a late first rounder based on his potential alone. Good night left nut!
Not really. You either have to be a defensive force or have a three ball. At a minimum you have to be a pick and roll lob threat. Even elite rebounders like Drummond, Whiteside, and DeAndre Jordan are being phased out.
The fact he made it clear he is signing with an "NCAA certified agent in order to retain his eligibility" says to me that he is just testing the waters.... wishful thinking?
No I think this is the correct take. Honestly, his game isn't developed enough for an NBA big with no shooting range right now. But still, I would feel better if he didn't even explore the NBA. But it really is the prudent thing to explore while in college.
We heard all season that he was already 20, which is old for a freshmen, so this makes sense.
The more I watch Memphis’s Valanciunas impact a game with his size and rebounding, the more I think shooting range for a big is overrated.
Phoenix is fine with Anthony Davis trying to play shooting guard. It’s coaching malpractice on Vogel’s part to allow AD to embrace the fantasy that he is more effective away from the basket.
You mean the Lakers?
First comment was about Memphis, second was about the Lakers.
It’s nice to have the option of going big. Golden State got beat twice by Memphis recently and missed the playoffs because GS was one and done on their end while Memphis was getting numerous second shots.
I agree with the first part and I bring this up every time someone is like TrAdItIoNaL BiGs ArE dEaD tO tHe NbA. Sure, everyone wants a Nikola Jokic but they are so rare that almost half the league still starts a "traditional" big, i.e. one with size that plays smart but doesn't have elite athleticism or an outside shot.
I disagree that it's coaching malpractice for Vogel to have AD playing in a lot of different spots. It might not be most efficient for him, but it is for the team given they have Lebron. You don't want bigs clogging the lane when you have LeBron who is much better going to the basket and hence a cleared lane is best to let him go to work and create. They're the defending champs, tough to criticize right now.
I agree with the fact that traditional post offense is not dead. 60% for 2PA equals 40% for 3PA. However, I think the saying is "you are who you can guard". It may be more important for Hunter to show that he can guard a stretch big than to show he can shoot like a stretch big. His results last year were actually not bad, but the traditional centers in the B1G resulted in a somewhat small sample size.
As for the Lakers being defending champs, 2020 will always have an asterisk. Screw the Lakers, Screw Lebron, Screw AD.
But they are clogging the lane with Drummond. Additionally, he has LeBron AND AD on his team but Scroder is running the offense.
That's how it is in today's NBA. Over reliance on shooting, under reliance on defense.
Get off my lawn.
Agreed. Hopefully he is looking for input from the NBA about what they would need him to focus on to get into the first round. Then he can being to work to improve that at Michigan. Like 3s, or right-hand shot, or whatever their thoughts are that are keeping him from being drafted this year.
Exactly. If the ultimate goal is the NBA, why wouldn’t you submit your name and get direct feedback on your game and what to work on. I don’t see the downside or a reason for him not to submit his name.
Neg away but this is a dumb idea. You don’t go first round in nba you don’t declare. Spare me the he can play in Europe crap. Kids want to play in the nba, not Lithuania
I'm gonna neg you because you are not understanding the most crucial aspect - that he retains eligibility. This is likely him exploring options/gaining information more than actually declaring for the draft and leaving.
Correct, this sounds a bit like Wagner after his Soph year or Livers after last year where he's looking for info and likely to come back.
Doesn't this just mean he's testing the waters and getting developmental feedback? Based on all mock drafts, it would be shocking if he were to actually leave.
Smart of him to do this...but thought he would’ve started this process about a month ago.
They could have been vetting agents and ensuring that what he was doing wouldn't screw up his eligibility. The process goes considerably later this year (draft withdrawal date is a month later than typical) so there really wasn't any hurry, it's not like there's been any draft workouts going on.
Are there any owners of NBA teams that are MSU or OSU grads? I sure the hell hope not.
Dan Gilbert, the owner of the Cavs is a MSU grad.
Tom Gores, the owner of the Detroit Pistons is a MSU grad.
Recall the $17M contract George Steinbrenner gave Drew Henson back in the day...
Henson signing that contract more than any other factor flipped the rivalry.
Combined with Lloyd being a dunderhead and agreeing to not sign other QBs for a couple signing classes.
Lloyd sabotaging the program on the way out is what flipped the rivalry.
Henson had nothing to do with it.
THIS ^^^ is the right answer.
I'm amazed that people are still trying to rehabilitate Rich Rodriguez on this site. Dude not only sucked hard as a coach, he ended up getting fired at his next stop for sexual harassment. You want that guy coaching here?
And still, a faction of MGoPosters insist that he was some poor misunderstood soul. I guess Lloyd framed him for harassment at Arizona, too?
Lloyd hung around too long and let OSU gain the upper hand, but RR is a shit human being and never should have worked here.
Nope.
But pushing your players to transfer before the new coach came in and then badmouthing him to everyone in the program is not the way to keep sustained success going. Also, sabotaging the potential hiring of Les Miles didn't help.
That started RR on the wrong foot, regardless of whether you think of him as a coach. And it then lead to the knee jerk hiring on a completely unqualified Hoke.
That's 7 years of regression rather than Lloyd helping someone else take over at the wheel.
So regardless of who you think would have been the best coach, Lloyd's meddling guaranteed any successor that he didn't hand pick was going to fail.
God, this is such a Neandarthal point of view. Lloyd didn't pressure kids to leave. He told Ryan Mallett, a player he'd recruited, that he wouldn't fit in an RR read-option offense and that staying probably wasn't in his best interests. Which was true: Mallett would have been a disaster under RR, just as poor Steve Threet was. Lloyd, whose players LOVED him, was simply advising one of his players do the right thing; he wasn't chasing off the talent, and there's no evidence of such.
And still, a faction of MGoPosters insist that he was some poor misunderstood soul.
What?
Not picking on you, but Lloyd was 6-7 against OSU. For that matter, Bo was 11-9-1 against the nuts. A combined 17-16-1 is hardly an 'upper hand'. Moeller was sandwiched in there, so his effort raises the bar a bit to 20-17-2. That said, if you tell me that the next 39 years of my life give the good guys that result? Well, I will die a happy man.
When looking at Lloyd's record against OSU, I think it is extremely relevant to look closer at what really happened:
1995 - 2000: 5-1
2001 - 2007: 1-6
The decline against OSU fully happened on Lloyd's watch. Yes, no one since has been able to right the ship, but the source of the change is clear.
This...and Appy St. He was clearly broken on his way out.
Since John Cooper was coaching for most of the first period and Jim Tressel was coaching for most of the second period, one might argue that Jim Tressel had more to do with the change than Lloyd Carr.
Tressel was close to dead and buried his 1st year as a coach. He was 6-5 coming into Ann Arbor and we had a much more talented team.
We played a classically turtle game and made Tressel a hero with his prediction....OSUs recruiting class immediately went to the top and the rest is history.
One might also argue that the athletic director from 2000 to 2010, Bill Martin had more culpability than Lloyd Carr. In his last 6 years, Lloyd Carr finished in the top ten 3 times and the top 20, five times. Michigan has only finished in the top ten, once, since he left.
There are suggestions in Three and Out that Carr wanted to leave after 2006, had he hired a new coach then, year one of a new coach could have been a very different thing. He is also the one who completely botched the hiring process. Further, had Carr left after 2006, a year he took Michigan into Columbus in a historic 1 vs 2 matchup, the way we view Carr might be very different.
The idea that Lloyd didn't undermine the program because RR was a bad coach is ridiculous. Yes, RR was bad, but Lloyd didn't do him any favors, nor did many in the program that didn't agree with the hire. I'm not looking to rehash any of this, but that post about Lloyd didn't suggest RR was a good coach in any way.
No- both things can be true: RichRod was a failure much of it his own doing, and Lloyd screwing the program on the way out. It isn't an either/or.
True or not, I would recommend that this is not the day to be badmouthing Lloyd Carr IMHO.
I don't believe Lloyd sabotaged the program. He was in an impossible spot under Martin. All the promises he made to the players to come here. Like Boren and his snowplow, like Mallett. When those players come to him wanting to leave for obvious reasons, yes, he could have said no to the transfer... But if he is a guy who keeps his word then it is very reasonable to expect tlhik to release them from their commitment that was based on his offense, not the spread.
Lloyd was doing right by his players, which was what he had always done and the reason so many players loved him. I'm amazed given what we've been through the past 15 years that people aren't better able to appreciate what Carr did--sure he wasn't perfect but I would take Lloyd Carr's last 6 seasons over Harbaugh's.
I don't think so......I think Tressel putting a fence around the state of Ohio and getting the Bucks rolling on the recruiting front more than anything changed the rivalry. Urbs and Day coaching transitions only seemed to make it even better.....
But putting that fence around Ohio would’ve been more difficult in the first place if M (led by Henson) beats OSU again in 2001.
It’s like MSU’s rise under Izzo: Yes he did a great job, but M’s implosion helped create the opening.
Finally someone else sees the start of our demise, when Tressel locked us out of the state. After Carrs Ohio players left, our talent level dropped until Hoke. He made a great run back in Ohio, while Jim hasn't vs Urban and now Day. This is the way back to the rivalry. We need tons of top Ohio players that we beat out OSU for, not their sloppy seconds..the types who have the most skin in the game. All our success in the rivalry from 1970 on was this.
No it didn't. The main thing it did was probably lost us a conference title the next season and allowing a crappy OSU team led by first year coach Tressel to beat us in Ann Arbor. Yes, we should have had a better backup QB than a young, unprepared John Navarre. Several much bigger factors after that led to the flip in the rivalry. Which has all been debated ad nauseum on this blog.
One QB leaving a stacked UM team a year early cannot possibly be blamed for 17 years of suckage.
We've had over a decade to right the ship, and it's never happened.
Check your timing on that. Henson was long gone before the rivalry flipped. We were as good as OSU through 2006 and should have won that game. Things were going down right around then.