Hardaway passes Robert Traylor, Chris Webber in career points
With 15 points tonight, Tim Hardaway Jr. has passed a total of 4 great Wolverines in one night on the career points list.
Hardaway was tied at 1,210 going into tonight with the late Robert Traylor. Tim now moves to 32nd on Michigan's 1,000 point club.
32. |
Tim Hardaway, Jr. |
1,225 |
2010-11 - |
33. |
Dennis Stewart |
1,224 |
1966-67 – 1968-69 |
34. |
Chris Webber* |
1,218* |
1991-92 – 1992-93* |
35. |
Richard Rellford |
1,211 |
1982-83 – 1985-86 |
36. |
Robert Traylor* |
1,210* |
1995-96 – 1997-98* |
January 9th, 2013 at 9:39 PM ^
In the comments of other B-Ball threads (all time points rank). Good on Timmy, he looked pretty good tonight despite the overall poor showing.
January 10th, 2013 at 8:49 AM ^
at several key points by taking the game in his own hands. Really great that he can create if Trey is tied up.
January 9th, 2013 at 10:01 PM ^
I like how he drives to the lane: a lot of guys will put their head down, scrunch their shoulders, and drive in for leverage, but Tim keeps mostly straight up and down with his shoulders and feet squared. This gives him a better look to stop and elevate for a jumper, or swing a pass out to someone else on the arc if need be.
January 9th, 2013 at 10:03 PM ^
More like, "Tim Hardaway passes and in career points.
January 9th, 2013 at 10:05 PM ^
Isn't the ban lifted? Michigan can now associate with them since it's 2013?
January 9th, 2013 at 10:11 PM ^
I think it doesnt get lifted till May 2013. Not totally sure though
January 9th, 2013 at 10:26 PM ^
Even after the ban is lifted, their records will still be vacated. The 10-year ban only relates to them returning to campus.
January 9th, 2013 at 10:42 PM ^
January 9th, 2013 at 10:53 PM ^
January 9th, 2013 at 10:56 PM ^
I don't think so. I don't think Webber is allowed on campus, period. (At least not Crisler anyway.)
January 10th, 2013 at 1:09 AM ^
Incorrect. The University cannot publicly associate with Webber, he cannot give money to the University or the Athletic Department (i.e., he cannot do anything that would categorize him under NCAA rules as a "booster"), he cannot represent the University in any capacity, etc. In other words, as far as anything the University does is concerned, Chris Webber does not exist until the 10-year ban expires.
Yet if he really wanted to, he could buy a ticket just like anyone else and go to a game. And there is absolutely nothing the NCAA can do to restrict him from being on campus. It's not a restraining order controlling his physical movement.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:56 AM ^
IIRC, the Fab Four weren't documented members of the Ed Martin payroll, so their individual record stand, and they aren't banned.
OTOH, Webber and Traylor don't officially exist. Therefore, their points were transported into an alternate reality, and don't count in this one.
January 9th, 2013 at 10:58 PM ^
Correct, because they weren't found in violation of NCAA rules. King was our actually color commentator on the radio for awhile.
The guys who were/are banned are Webber, Traylor (RIP), Taylor and Bullock.
January 10th, 2013 at 8:21 AM ^
King was actually in the crowd last night. Thy brought him up on the jumbotron.
January 9th, 2013 at 10:03 PM ^
January 9th, 2013 at 10:03 PM ^
January 9th, 2013 at 10:09 PM ^
You mean two great Wolverines and two guys who don't exist.
January 9th, 2013 at 10:31 PM ^
There is some select company looming above him on the list as well. If THJ continues scoring at the clip that he averages this year, he would potentially find himself sitting somewhere in the space between Benard Robinson and Rumeal Robinson on the list, having possibly jumped the likes of Terry Mills and Maceo Baston along the way. It's definitely possible.
One thing that is interesting about where Hardaway is at statistically is that he is scoring at a rate a little above the average of the others in the top 35 (arbitrary cutoff for comparison admittedly), and only a little below the average when comes to the effective FG% of those in the group. Not a bad performance by a Wolverine by any standard over the course of a career.
January 9th, 2013 at 10:54 PM ^
congrats to hardaway on this accomplishment. recently he became a rebounding machine!!!!
January 9th, 2013 at 11:13 PM ^
I think Hardaway's accomplishments are going to be a tad bit underappreciated because he was never the best player on his team (D-Mo, then Burke). That being said he's been the 2nd best player on what will be 3 straight NCAA qualifying squads, including one that won a Big Ten Title. Also I think he's done a fine job stepping into the leadership void left by Novak/Douglass on this squad.
January 9th, 2013 at 11:17 PM ^
Richard Rellfrod Rocked! He was a Beast!
This new era of M hoops is hopefully going to be as fun as the early '80s - late '80s era was. This year is starting even better and there is no reason to think it won't continue. I'd forgotten how much fun having a good basketball team was...very fun!
January 10th, 2013 at 12:19 AM ^
January 10th, 2013 at 8:47 AM ^
What a great complement to Tarpley, Grant, Joubert et al. on those fantastic mid-80's teams. Butch Wade, too. Great role player and rebounder.
January 9th, 2013 at 11:39 PM ^
January 10th, 2013 at 8:52 AM ^
That would be pretty amazing. He's really the Shoelace of the hardcourt.
January 10th, 2013 at 9:26 AM ^
we just need to get him to stay for 4 years...
January 10th, 2013 at 9:41 AM ^
eat my hat if he stays 4 years. I'll eat my lunch if he even stays 3.
January 10th, 2013 at 9:56 AM ^
January 10th, 2013 at 11:08 AM ^
26. Steve Grote, 1974-77 __________________ 1,330
27. Courtney Sims, 2004-07 _______________ 1,329
28. Lester Abram, 2002-07 ________________ 1,274
29. Ray Jackson, 1992-95 __________________ 1,262
* Maurice Taylor*, 1995-97 _______________ 1,262
31. Eric Turner, 1982-84 ___________________ 1,251
January 10th, 2013 at 11:36 AM ^
All-time records are cool, but I've always kind of wondered whether they accurately reflect the dominance of a player in the college context in the same manner as individual season records.
January 10th, 2013 at 12:56 PM ^
January 10th, 2013 at 2:27 PM ^
At least someone here understood what I was getting at...
January 10th, 2013 at 2:34 PM ^
2.5 seasons for Hardaway so far...Not THAT much different from CW in the points scored dept.
January 10th, 2013 at 6:33 PM ^
Yeah, I just think there's much more of a "wow" factor in that stat...