Guessing MBB '16-17 Minutes Distribution
Early guess at next year's rotation/minutes compared to this year.
Guards: Watson and Simpson should push for significant backup roles.
| Guard | 15-16 minutes | 16-17 minutes |
| Walton | 33 | 31 |
| Abdur-Rahkman | 26 | 28 |
| Simpson | - | 16 |
| Watson | - | 5 |
| Dakich | 3* | <1 |
Forwards: Chance a current 5 attempts transition to the 4, but that's never been Beilein's way. Robinson's role should expand unless Dawkins or Chatman make a leap.
| Forward | 15-16 minutes | 16-17 minutes |
| Irvin | 32 | 33 |
| Robinson | 28 | 30 |
| Dawkins | 17 | 12 |
| Chatman | 5* | 4 |
| Wilson or Wagner | - | 1 |
Center: Could go a number of ways depending on player development and imminent attrition, but expect another 3-man rotation once things get settled. Guesses of the moment:
- Doyle steps up. Despite seeming to regress this season, most Beilein bigs improve with experience and Doyle's the only veteran physically suited for Big Ten play.
- Donnal's role decreases. While he's made major strides to become a competant all-around player, physical limitations remain against legit opponents.
- Teske plays. He'll be raw and not strong enough yet, but a 7 foot/240 pound shot-blocker is exactly what Michigan needs.
- Someone has to leave and it's probably either Wagner or Wilson (no info, just a personal guess). Whoever sticks will be used situationally at the 5 while being groomed for a role at the 4 the following year.
- Davis red-shirts before emerging as a fan favorite in '17-18.
| Center | 15-16 minutes | 16-17 minutes |
| Doyle | 13 | 17 |
| Donnal | 19 | 12 |
| Teske | - | 8 |
| Wagner or Wilson | 11* (both) | 3 |
| Davis | - | - |
*Minutes adjusted to account for DNPs.
BTW, your attempt to become an "informed" poster on here is pathetic. You are like the grown up WD.
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I'm not. This could be a Top 15 program, that's not asking for too much.
is that we're pretty disastrous mentally. Can't inbound the ball, can't figure out where to be on defense. That's all the frustrating part.
But Michigan did in 2016. Simpson is top 100 recruit. Teske and Watson fit the system perfectly. There's no rational reason Beilein hasn't recruited more guys like Teske, but it's a sweet relief that he finally did.
The '14 and '15 classes were bad, and the team sunk down accordingly because Caris, Mitch, Horford, and Spike weren't around to paper over the recruiting failures.
The '16 class is good, and they will help right away, but the the team will be veteran-filled for the first time in years next year. All upperclassmen starting lineup. Experience can make up for talent. I believe the last team that had this many seniors won a big ten title, with less talent than the '16-17 team will have.
I completely forgot that he was going to be a valued member of our program. Who knows how this team would have fared if everyone stayed healthy.
If they were not gifted Earvin Johnson being born in their city, no one would've recognized MSU's basketball program until 1999.
We have enough facilities, exposure and history to recruit with the elite programs. There's no excuse for not landing top 10-15 recruiting classes every year when you have a NCAA runner up and Elite Eight in back-to-back seasons and guys going to the league. Beilein has to raise the level of his recruiting to match the level of his coaching.
But there's a lot of people who feel that Michigan is a football school only and kind of just want Michigan to be a fun mid-major type that can occassionaly unearths some hidden gems to make the sweet 16 once in a while.
These people tend to rail about how dirty bball recruiting is and how we can't and shouldn't compete in that world...as if fball recruiting was clean.
March 10th, 2016 at 11:12 PM ^
It's frustrating that Michigan's own fans have this attitude.
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I think Lehman would also get manhandled by Blake Griffin. I think 99% of all college basketball forwards would get manhandled by Blake Griffin.
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-blake griffin
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That's his system.
It's not going to stop.
He's had great success with it.
If anything, Beilein's efforts to recruit stretch 4s need to end. He's awful at it - most of them end up converting to undersized 5s or transferring. Beilein needs to recruit legitimate centers and then embrace the fact that his teams are better with guards. 4 out/1 in. Not 3 out /1 in and then one tweener who can't defend at any position (or shoot well enough to make the opposition pay).
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Glenn Robinson wasn't a good shooter and doesn't fit the typical "stretch 4" profile, but he was the best 4 Michigan has had since...Mo Taylor's freshman year?
is the only hope at 4. He has the athleticism, length and even a developing jump shot. He just needs to start playing a 20 year-old instead of 14 year with a sugar high.
Is Walton bad? I mean when you compare him to a national MOP of course he's not going to add up.
I don't think Walton is the problem. We get nothing from a post - when we do, we play well.
We rely on walk-ons and overachieving players to contribute in big ways.
he is shooting 36% (!!) from two and can't stay in front of anyone on defense. He redounds well defensively which is more of a team result and he has shot well from three. He is about an even player, but not a plus contributor.
March 11th, 2016 at 10:11 AM ^
To me Walton is not bad. But he is not good either. He is a middle of the road Big Ten Point Guard that was probably a little overrated out of high school. It says a lot about our team that he is our best rebounder, but his inability to hit shots has taken us out of three games this year.
You expect that kid who played against Michigan State a few years ago to show up, and before you know it, you look up and Walton is 0-7 from the field and we are down 12. It's just frustrating for a fringe top 30 recruit.
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who got significantly better in their junior and senior years (while they were still playing for us, that is)?
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March 10th, 2016 at 10:19 PM ^
He was pretty much a disappointment at UF. They were expecting far more than he was able to deliever and he was even suspended at one point for conduct detrimental to the team.
by his RS freshman year. Was a huge reason for the bump in team performance that year along with Morris coming into his own. Morgan mostly stayed the same player his four years, with a bump in FG% in 5th year thanks to an insane offense that got him super easy looks off the PnR. Wasn't really anything he did.
The Donnal "leap" this year is the list. And it ends there.
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