I want to try something different here:
I want people to express their opinions on the Hoke hiring without any fear of replies and having to defend themselves. To do so, PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO ANY POSTS HEREIN! Simply express your initial gut reaction to the hiring and then bite your tongue and simply read the others. For what its worth, I'll be awarding +1 to all "real" responses and giving a big -1 to any replies to posts.
I'll start: My initial reaction is one of disgust. Not necessarily unhappiness about the man that is Hoke but in expectations having not been met. After finally coming to terms with the Rodriguez firing, I had high expectations about who the next coach would be. Gruden! Petersen! Patterson? No Harbaugh or Miles! To come to this final result is so much more depressing - it's disgusting. And the blame falls squarely on Brandon.
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I want to try something different here:
I wanted a big name hire as well but alas it had to be a Michigan man. If we were going to hire a fat guy that met these credentials it should have been James Earl jones. Just fucking around. It is what it is and if the players are all staying that is all that matters. Good luck coach hoke and go blue!
After harbaugh was off the table, I wanted hoke no question. Rich rod showed a big name doesn't equate to success. Love the hire and am excited to see what he can do.
He also really wanted it. I hope he brings back the fire Michigan has been lacking all these years...
I really wanted the job too, does that make me the best candidate? Hoke is only slightly more qualified than I am.
Maybe you should go coach, huh?
I'll withhold judgment until I see the team play, but I like your optimism. Wish everyone would stop being whiny bitches.
Rule breaker! No replying to posts!
Boy, suddenly you could hear a pin drop around here. Spooky.
Just to clarify, that's because only people w the iPhone app can log in due to site overload.
Nothing against Hoke. He wasn't who I wanted but if he's succeeding, the team is too so I'll support him without question.
No comment on Brandon. Only going to make me mad...
I was extremely disappointed because It seems as though DB fell under the "Michigan Man" spell.
Instead of going after top names and top records from across the country he went after only guys with Michigan ties.
That said, I will be very disappointed if the fans, especially those here on this blog that are some of the most passionate do not rally behind him. Let tonight and maybe tomorrow be the time to air your frustrations, but after we need to support him and the team 100%.
That will be HUGE!
I'll go with Charles Woodson on this one - Go Blue
I think Hoke has pictures of the pizza man doing some awful things or he is just the luckiest person on earth. I keep hearing about him recruiting Tom Brady which is great, but that was not when Michigan was a mess and it was when the recruit could go, cool, I heard Lloyd is nice, can't wait to play for him. Now recruits are going to go, who is this again?, and probably hang up because some guy they have never heard of keeps calling pretending to be the coach at Michigan.
As far as DB goes, he had made this a million times worse for Hoke by waiting around a month twiddling his dingy and crippling a recruiting class in order to hire Brady Freaking Hoke, who he could have hired in November by yelling out his office window.
But I really feel that the UM community is plagued by a misguided commitment to his so called lineage. A football program shouldn't be run like a dynasty. We pride ourselves on our tradition but so do all fallen empires.
but there is always time for a Renaissance.
I'm behind Hoke. Not my first choice, and It's not sexy, but I think he can get some results as long as his basketball on grass comment was just posturing. It will be seen in years to come if he can achieve the success that we all want on a national level. I do find it interesting that some say he is the guy to rebuild our program after we just fires a guy who got us halfway there. Anyway, I really feel that as long as we don't go completely backward in our football philosophy, we will succeed. Do I have my worries? Yes. Is all hope lost? No. Far from it.
I will reserve full judgement until I see his staff. Honestly though I'm not blown away. I really do think a head coach's success is very dependent on the quality of his coordinators. I think Al Borges will be a good OC so a slam bang DC would do well in convincing me this was a good hire.
I got sucked into Gruden, but I'm happy with Hoke. No one jumped out at me as a home run other than Harbaugh, so I'm ok with "safe."
I want Hoke to succeed and I think he will definitely have some at UM. But I wanted UM to take a real chance and let this team evolve; instead, Hoke represents an attempt to do it the "Michigan way." I have no Ill will toward Hoke, but more what he represents-the idea that UM can walk on the field and just out talent the opposition. That hasn't worked for over a decade, and won't get any easier moving forward. With the spread, I felt this team had a chance to beat anyone. Under the Bo model of thinking, I worry it will lead to a return to being blitzes with the Oregon-USC-SECs of the world.
Pissed about the circus the search turned into but I'm on board with the hire.
I wanted RR to stay. Never wanted Harbaugh, got excited about Les, Hoke was always in the back of my mind. I don't know much about him but my full support is behind the team, coaches and players. Go Blue!!!
Not looking forward to the fall, for the first time in 30 years...
I am truely embarressed to have been a uofm fan after this hire I am done go green
That is a completely asinine comment. Please go to RCMB.
Based on a previous post listing 'Hoke as Plan A' I have the following criteria as requirements
to Coach the team:
-Familiarity or experience with the Program
-Approval or endorsements from former players
-A Public & Private endorsement by the previous Coach
-Knowledge of the Ann Arbor Community
I believe Rodriguez was fired for reasons other than the his 3yr record. He didn't fit the part.
In casting, if you don't look the part you are not given a chance to act it...(well unless you want to stoop to some
unscrupulous deeds for a tryout or reading). The administration viewed RR as a bad casting decision.
I can handle this. It's not fair but at least I understand what they were looking for.
I believe it's fair to say that Brandon came to see RR's hiring as a bad decision from
the start. He then implemented a process (a rather slow one I might add) to correct the hiring process and requirements.
Bare in mind, I came to this conclusion after reading the AP News Story quoting DB directly. Make sense?
When I heard it was Hoke, I had that feeling of utter disappointment similar to when you think your getting a great present and you get socks and underwear. Based on Brandon's comments about pay and defense I expected a proven top quality coach. Clearly Brandon only cares about the coach being a Michigan Man (Bo man). I hope Hoke is successful because there are no other Michigan Men after him.
I am most upset with the way RR was treated. I realize he made a lot of mistakes, but to give him only three years is not classy and not in the Michigan Man way. Regardless of what Brandon wants we should have honored the contract we gave him (6yrs.) especially since he was asked to reinvent the program.
Just as DB said that football runs Michigan athletics, this hire will decide his success. The lights, Alabama, etc. won't mean anything if we have another losing season or two and don't win the Big Ten within 3 years.
Hoke's first tell will be if he can win back some of the recruits that were high on Michigan. We should be able to get back into it with the defensive recruits.
I am beginning to think that Dave Brandon does not realize that running an athletics program is not like running a business. I think he thought he could through money at coaches and they would come (which is the case in corporate), but after you fire the previous hire at 3 years, who would want to leave a safe and successful program for what we were offering. I don't think many successful coaches would take that gig.
My first instinct was that anything is better than rich rod. I was sadly mistaken. I hope uofm is happy they got their michigan man. Brady joke this guy has a sub 500 record with ball st and san diego st. People if you thought rich rod was bad prepare for eternity michigan football will never return. A no recruits will come play for this loser. B all of the little talent we had will transfer. In closing so long michigan football you are now a laughing stock of the big ten. No more go blue for me GO GREEN
At long last, a thread that is entirely justified (get it?)
I look at his recruiting classes at Ball State and SDSU and wonder if he's up to the challenge, but I'll reserve judgement until he hires assistants and starts talking to recruits. If he can flip a Zettel or otherwise make an immediate splash, I could start to get excited.
It seems like the best case scenario here is a once a decade title or rose bowl run with some varying success between. AKA car's last 7 years.
Man, I'm just scared that the Notre Dame fans will get back on us for all those years of fat jokes...
First time I ever hit this low as an m fan. Hate to see all the bitter Carr players tweeting their approval. Where was this the past few years? Good luck hoke... Brandon did you no favors.
Thanks for this board, I think it's productive to give people a forum to express without fear of being killed.
That being sad my gut feeling is "skeptical" for multiple reason. First, was Hoke the first, second, third, forth, fifth choice for HC? Second, do I really believe he will win the 9-10 games I truly felt RR would have produced next year? My gut says NO! And finally, can this guy coach and recruit in the B1G? Once again I feel like no (reserving the right to see his staff).
Thanks again Profit!
I remember reading a good diary before the OSU game comparing portions of the Michigan fanbase clinging to the past and the idea of the Michigan man/ cloud of dust Bo ball with the Detroit auto industry's unwillingness to change. For me, this is a case of "who killed the electric car?" RR's product at Michigan was far from perfect or complete, but it was the future. By the bowl game I accepted that RR was on his way out and I was ok with a new coach coming in provided he was familiar enough with the spread to make the most of our current players and enough of a name/ reputation to salvage this recruiting class. All was not lost and the past 3 years of rebuilding and 7 straight OSU losses were not for nothing. The decision to hire Hoke today firmly puts Michigan on a depressingly regressive track. Instead of staying the course or at least finding a happy medium we are going back into a past that wasn't half as great as we remember. I think we just went "all in" on the SUV.
because it's valid. And not to be political either. But the American consumer killed the electric car, more specifically the Southern California car buyer. I sold them back in 1996. Saturn dealerships only, and we were trained extensively. The car was was very quick and had few trade-offs in terms of performance. But you did have to have a special electric charger installed in your garage/home. Sold only in SoCal (and maybe AZ?) because in northern climes the batteries didn't perform well in the cold.
Advertising was everywhere, we were waiting and had them on our lot. Few came, and those that did only looked. Nobody bought them. Again not a statement of any type, but the reality. Whether by cost or convenience or other, California consumers didn't want them.
Reading what I've added here, maybe in an odd way it does have some corollary to M football over the last 3 years.
I'm curious did you ever see the documentary "who killed the electric car?" focusing on the GM EV1. They seemed to come to the conclusion that it was a combination of california consumers, car companies unwilling to really go "all in" on the product marketing and eventually Dick Cheney and the US Government who all conspired to kill it. Anyhow, definitely an aside although parallels to M football exist.
Dick Cheney? Hah! They must have worked pretty hard to move the story that way
I've never seen the documentary, but have read summaries. Never really saw the need to because I was right there. I believe there were factions in GM that didn't support it - the program lost enormous $, as all electrics do today by the way (GM will lose a fortune on every Volt it sells) -, but that happens with many new products at every company. The guys who voted against it root against it so they can say they were right (another M football parallel?).
But sales rule all - if the consumers wanted them in large numbers, GM would have gladly provided them. Nobody did
I feel like we asked a cheerleader to prom but had to settle for the neighbor girl who puts out!
Direct quote in a text to my friend:
"fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck shit fuck fuck fuck fuck".
Now....Hoke is starting to grow on me. Are these a few of the grief stages? Not sure.
best of all, I'm incredulous at all the hatred from the past three years are now saying how important it is to get behind our coach. the players seem happy...
withholding judgement, but afraid of large amounts of fail...
I think the spread is awesome, but the team had given up on Rodriguez and needs to try something else. Everyone projected Harbaugh as a panacea, but I see Hoke as someone who can have serious success here.
Brian wants us to brace for a media warming to Hoke because the record may immediately improve. I don't read newspapers that discuss college football or watch ESPN. That said, I expect an immediate improvement from the two worst defenses in school history and a minimally competent offense behind a serious group of lineman--Rodriguez's best unit.
I think the Rodriguez era, for all it's supposed promise, was an abject failure. Even the stars seemed to turn the ball over 3+ times a game, and I'm excited for new blood. Go Blue
I feel now like I did at the end of Rich Rod's 2nd year: I don't think it's going to work. By god, I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't feel real good about this.
Ok, so I know I was the one harping on all the RR haters because he never got a fair shot from the beginning, but I really hate what this program has done to itself here.
3 years ago this guy broke up w/ his boring, but reliable, gf in order to date the new, hot girl. Although she came w/ drama from time to time and emotional baggage, he grew to appreciate her because she was on the up-and-up and flashed brilliance when she walked by other guys. At a certain point, we became arrogant and felt we could find a new gf who possessed the reliability of the first and the brilliance of the second. Once we broke up with that 2nd girl, though, we realized that ideal-state girl only wanted us in order to feed her thirst for "the chase." With both of them out of the picture, he decided to take the girl to the Prom who was the unpopular, boring little sister of the first gf.
This has been an amazing leap forward for the most storied program in NCAA football..
... I was all in for RR, but just as I wished he had gotten more support, I will be open and embrace Hoke as the coach, and hope for the best.
There is something that would really get me excited: that in the Ohio State at Michigan game, he gives a speech where he basically tells OSU that their days of dominance over UM are over. It would set the intention and the tone of what will be and that would get people excited. I remember when Tressel addressed the fans that basketball and stating how he would make everyone proud "31x days from now in Ann Arbor", and how the crowd got wild, and I was laughing thinking "how arrogant! we will give him a rude welcoming". Little did I know that in 10 years we would only win 1 game against Tressel?
It's time to return the favor!
I'll say this, now that it's all said and done, looking back I am more disappointed with how Brandon handled the search than who he actually hired.
Is Hoke our plan C? Yes.
Is he a competent coach? Yes.
Will he lead us back to prominence? Who knows.
At first I was in meltdown mode not getting our top choices, but coming down from the cliff I'm a little more confident that maybe we'll be just fine. Looking around the blogosphere and the mediasphere there is nothing but positive buzz about this hire.
Maybe we have to take a step back and remove the emotion from an event such as this coaching hire and realize that maybe things will be good. Whatever the case, and regardless of what I think of Hoke, I will support the University of Michigan and will not waiver in support. He deserves all of our support after the last 3 years and knowing what no support can do to a team.
I like this hire. I liken this to choosing substance (wins) over style (offensive yardage). I complained up and down about Carr's predictable offense, but winning is better than yards as I now know. Everybody talks about how exciting RR's offense is. I don't see it. I see 17 points at MSU, 7 at OSU and 14 in the Gator Bowl. We scored on 2 of the first 3 possessions in the bowl and never again. We suffered the worst defeat in a bowl ever. Do RR supporters ever get tired of worsts- worst defense 2009, TOPPED 2010, worst season record 2008, worst bowl loss? Yea, that is exciting. I will take wins anytime. Players, co-workers, everyone who personally knows Hoke seems to love him. I am all in. Go Blue!
I can't understand people that like this hire. He has proven nothing in his head coaching career except that he can't even win in the mac. What is promising about this proven loser?
First off, It's not Hoke's fault. But good luck, cuz you're gonna need it.
If this hire is to somehow try to replicate the Carr years then we are fucked. What happened? When did we give up in being the leaders and best???!!
I just cant see this endung well. I just can't see us winning against MSU and OSU for the next three years.
Like this hire quite a bit, but think the timing is less than desirable.
Hoke is not the rube we're making him out to be, and I certainly think the banner at the top of the page probably should be changed before the presser.
I don't understand Hoke saying he thinks teams that practice day in and day out against the spread get blown off the ball when they play pro set teams. Best I can tell the whole damn Big Ten runs a variation of the spread, so it seams he would want to run the spread.
THE HOKE'S ON YOU, CUZ BROTHER, THE HOKESTER IS GONNA HAVE ALL HIS HOKEAMANIACS RUNNIN' WILD ALL OVER THE BIG TEN CONFERENCE!
Considering the circumstances (i.e. Rodriguez already gone, Harbaugh not coming), I like the move.
He doesn't come with the baggage of a Les Miles, everyone who knows him seems to love the guy (which will help with recruiting), he was a few plays away from turning into a white hot coaching prospect this year, and he loves Michigan (which, fine, isn't the most important factor, but there are real benefits - no desire to leave, a visceral disgust for OSU, a sense of responsibility to preserve Michigan's image, etc.).
I also completely disagree that his ceiling is low. If he can win here - and I think he will - he seems to have the personality to be fully embraced by Michigan fans. He might even be one of those guys who is difficult for rival fans to hate. In fact, it's going to help him in the long run that people are setting the bar low for him now.
Time will tell, but I'm happy about it now. Welcome back, Coach Hoke.
I will be all in for Hoke once he wins 8 games next year. If 7 wins wasn't good enough for RR this year, the bar was clearly 8 wins. Therefore I am expecting Hoke to be equal or better what we were expecting of RR. Good luck Hoke!
I see Michigan become the Oldsmobile of college football. It was a good car in its day, and my dad bought one. But what young person wants one?
I'll support Hoke because he's Michigan's coach now --he's our coach. But I'm furious that the search seems to have been bogus, that DB seems to have wasted time just to please people so he could say he talked to option X, and that this tiny faction of Carr era coaches and players, many of whom I think have been hurting the program with their hubris, got what they wanted (most recognize Hoke wouldn't have been even close to being in the picture if he hadn't coached here as an assistant). I'm terrified his comments about basketball on grass indicate that he's (1) dumb or (2) stubbornly inflexible to a fault.
But I've calmed down since earlier today and zm trying to be optimistic. I'm all in because I desperately want M to succeed. Go Blue!
This guy is about to make dick rod look Like a genius.
Not my first choice, and I wish this was done in December, but I will always root for Michigan.
as a gut reaction, we've been mislead and lied to. Brandon had an agenda all along, and the whole process was window-dressing. I think Brandon fumble-fucked a great opportunity away. Goddammit, we're Michigan. He could have done a lot better.
That said, I believe we underestimate the talent in place already, and that they were shockingly under-coached by RR and Co.
I'm good with any change at this point.
to pull together a top Staff. Spend some $ there to land some bigger anmes with the supporting track record.
OK, I get it. RR's position here was tenuous at best. RR had somehow managed to alienate a group of former players. Apparently some (Mark Bihl according to BCook) were going so far as to steer kids to MSU (which I find disgusting that supposed M-Men would turn on the program like that).
Also the NCAA sanctions pissed off a lot of people, myself included (which in hindsight are total BS in light of what has gone on in the SEC and OSU) .
Dumping RR for Hoke doesn't make sense to me other than Hoke is a so-called Michigan Man. 3 winning seasons. 3. That's Hoke's record as a HC. I am not optimistic. And I do not look forward to 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense. Anyone notice the national championship game featured 2 spread teams? Anyway...
I honestly hope Hoke turns things around and makes Michigan a contender again. I also honestly hope that RR lands on his feet and finds a place where he is a good fit. Anyone questioning RR's integrity needs to revisit the Mealer family's opinion of the man.
I can see UM turning into ND, forever firing coach after coach to try to "return to glory", demanding savior after savior.
Shoulda given RR 1 more year. That is all.
needs to calm the f*ck down. Hoke fits all the necessary requirements. He is a good man, he grew up under Bo's guideance, he is a Michigan Man, and he "looks" tough.
Lets give him a year or so and see what he can or cant do. This is simple, can he win the games he is supposed to win, split those he shouldnt win and steal a few that he cant win. He wont know that until this December.
Anyone who hates Hoke can sell me their season tickets because I am ALL IN FOR MICHIGAN. All Walmart Wolverines can go home and stay home.
I see Michigan as maxing out as a just below top teir. Like others are saying, it will be like carr's teams in the new millenium. Lots of 9-3's, some 8-4/7-5's, and once in a while 10-2.
Just feel like it is a blah hire. Solid I suppose, but blah.
that pisses me off. Dave Brandon, LC's shill and the puppet of MSC intentionally misled the fanbase and all observers of this process. He admitted he spoke to both Harbaugh and Miles and never offered either of them the job and sought their opinions on Hoke. Hoke was plan A from the start. If that was the case, why the fuck didn't they hire him weeks ago and have a chance to save this recruiting class.
Once again it looks fro the outside as if Michigan is clueless. Harbaugh was the best choice available and apparently DB never went after him. What does that say of the AD and the University's view of its former players and coaches. Apparently, if LC doesn't think you're worthy, you have no shot.
Brady Hoke very well could be a great coach, only time will tell. I will support him as coach, bacause he is the coach of my favorite program. But I have lost all respect for LC and MSC. They both need to be sent to Bolivian without cell phones. Before all this I believed in DB, now I believe he is all about the $$ and low-balling the football program for the sake of satisfying the two-headed monster. DB apparently has no mind of his own.
I will root for Brady Hoke to be the savior of the program, but he is starting from behind with a recruiting class that is shrinking by the day. Hopefully he can land a few great assistants and can manage to keep Denard while adding a few quality recruits to this class.
Stay Classy DB
My initial feeling is that I know nothing about Hoke. I have not seen any of his team play on TV. I will be leaning into this blog to learn about Hoke so I can be excited. I really wanted to see Lesticles and after him Gruden. Go Blue!
I just talked to a friend of mine, a Mizzou alum, who told me SDSU came within an inch of beating them this season at Missouri.
I, for one, don't know anything about this guy. I wanted JH, then I wanted LM, and now I'm willing to give this untested coach a chance. I do know that our team under RR (whom I supported) couldn't compete in the Big Ten. Maybe he had his sights set on other things and mistakenly thought the Big Ten was an easy conference. But any of you who watched the games cannot deny that this team was not a well-coached team. I'm not getting down on RR - I wanted him to work out. But the proof was on the field.
I'm not going to blindly support BH just because he's the Michigan coach. I'm going to support him because he's untested in this arena. I've seen too many instances of people in my line of work going into a new, more competitive job and kicking ass while others sat around, doubting. This guy might not take Michigan football to places it's never been before, like we were all hoping RR would do. But he has a good chance of making it respectable again.
I'm equally livid that RichRod didn't receive the level of support from former players as he deserved. It sucks, really, but we also don't really know all the details as to why this occurred, and it's entirely possible (not wholly probable) that RR simply misunderestimated (heh) the need to fully embrace former players and the traditions that were contained therein.
RR didn't have the luxury of Bo being just down the hall during the Lloyd era, so he had an extra degree of responsibility to serve as the figurehead of Michigan football. Did he succeed in doing so? Who knows. This isn't a swipe at RR by any means, but it's clear that he didn't fully realize the level of influence the old guard would have on his coaching reputation.
But -- one thing we can say for certain: former players have an IMMENSE amount of influence on recruiting, something we may not be fully privy to. When a recruit's watching Sunday Night Football, and guys like Harris, Edwards, etc. announce their high school of origin or "Lloyd Carr's University of Michigan", don't you think it brings them pause to consider why they don't find their college worthy of showcasing on stage? Having those players at your disposal can reap tremendous rewards on the recruiting trail, and I find an extreme amount of optimism in former players showing their unequivocal support for Hoke.
His process sucked. I'm warming to the Hoke hire. I just hope he can get some real quality assistants.
I don't know for sure how I feel about Hoke, but that shouldn't affect my support now that he's the coach.
I'm worried, but only because there isn't a lot of evidence to suggest he'll do well or fail.
I'm all in for Michigan- it doesn't matter who the coach is, that will never change.
Hoke has all my support, but I'm nervous- which I think is ok to feel...it doesn't make me a hater or any less of a supporter.
I'm hoping with all my energy that this works and we can seriously compete for MNC's in the next 5-7 years (sooner would be nice, but I'm trying to be realistic in my expectations)...
The last thing this program needs is for Hoke to be treated the way RR was when he got into town. If Hoke fails, and we keep up the infighting, the next coaching search will triple the number of 'Thanks, but no thanks' responses we get- and no matter what any writer/radio personality/fan/alum/administrator/former player says, we'll have ourselves to blame for it.
Here's to hoping Hoke can do it, fans will unite, and Michigan will be a national power for years to come.
I will admit that Harbaugh was my first choice,. However, the more I read about Hoke, the more excited I get about the hire. I never liked the Miles, or other "hot" or "big name" coaches. Just because you won with one team it does not promise you can do it again.
I think RR sort of proved this, although I think he would have won in the long run. I just do not think he understood UM football. Sure we have our "Michigan Man" thoughts, our hatred for OSU, ND and MSU, but understanding and embracing these is part of what makes a great coach. Plus RR came with a lot of baggage, and continued to pile it on throughout his stay.
I like the fact that we have a coach that understands you HAVE to plan to beat OSU, ND and MSU every year, and that they are not "just another game." I compared stats between UM and SDS from last year, and UM only topped them in Total yards (barely), Rushing Yards, and Total Offense (barely). SDS was on top in Passing/Receptions, FG, Total Defense, and most other stats. This is UM vs. SDS we are talking about here. If he can do that at UM we'll be in good hands.
The big question is can he retain the talent he has, and make it work in some variation of his system. My guess is that was in the contract this time. We'll see if the "talent" believes him. From what I have read, he can be convincing.
In summary, I am all in with the hire. I feel better about this one then I did three years ago.
GO FREAKING BLUE!!!
During the supposed national search my wife delivers a future recruit and Dave Brandon delivers Brady fucking Hoke.
Today I feel better and am ready to support Hoke but have my doubts about Brandon and MSC doing what's best for the program.
I wasn't thrilled when Brady Hoke was hired, especially with all the big names being thrown around. I found that I was extremely frustrated, however, when reading reactions from the traditional media outlets and former players.
It is great that these two factions are now once again "all in" for Michigan, but where were they during the RichRod era? Why couldn't they give the same support? Now, Braylon Edwards and Michael Rosenberg are telling me that I am supposed to be excited about this hire and "all in" for the team. It's ridiculous.
If the likes of Cato June and Aaron Shea really support Michigan, they should have done so through thick and thin, regardless of who the coach was. Yet, because it was not Michigan football the way they wanted it to be, they decide who they should support, and I am supposed to blindly follow.
Whether alluded to or bluntly stated, I hear a lot of people saying that they want things back to the way they were with Coach Carr. It seems people remember what he did differently from me because I recall a 1-5 record against Tressel, a traditional Rose Bowl demolishing, and an inability to stop a running quarterback. I was excited Michigan decided to take a step in a new direction that would finally address these problems.
I do not necessarily think RichRod was the right person for the job given the on-field results and the numerous player transfers, but I continue to wonder "what if" when it comes to the support he should have received from these two factions that were so opposed to him from Day 1. Maybe it would not have changed anything, but I would have liked to see what could have happened.
I want to support this hire, and I will in time, but everytime I see another former player or reporter telling me how much I should like this decision, I have a harder time doing so.
NEXT SEASON'S GOALS: Proclaiming 9-3 as the target for next year is just dumb, chances UM losses only 3 games is very low. The goal for next season should be another bowl game at any cost, where the team actually shows they're capable of playing against their opponent.
RECRUITING: This recruiting year will be very hard to salvage, just getting bodies to fill out the class could become hard with the limited time table Hoke has to fill out his staff and then change/convince recruits to join him. And likely in that order, recruits want to build relationships with their position coaches before agreeing to follow them for 4 years of their life. This has the potential to leave the team with worse depth than the past season.
DEPTH: Already down one QB, and another on the fence. Still have plenty of RBs though, maybe a wildcat-ish formation is in UM's future? Oline could be the offense's best asset next season again. Interested to see what Hoke will do with the TE's; a good amount of potential there that wasn't realized in the past 3 years. Hard to say the defense wont get better with healthy players and a year of experience but there also isn't much worse they could do. I have heard mixed reviews on Hoke's brother; I liked his resume but not a lot of big happy reviews. Won't have any idea how capable he is till much later in the year, and maybe not until a few years from now after he actually has been given time to develop players.
KEY DATES: NSD (duh) how much depth can he add, it probably won't be a sparkly class but it also won't be a strong indicator of what Hoke will be capable of as a recruiter. It would be really unfair to him to judge him on the next 3 weeks alone, so don't do it. Spring game, don't look for a flashy offense or defense, look for competent units. Good Signs: Low on penalties, players executing their assignments, strong tackling, and players showing a lot of effort and buying into the coach's philosophy.
MY EXPECTATIONS: Most people won't take my advice and a lot of them will complain about everything Hoke does that they think Harbaugh or Miles or RR wouldn't have done. The RR supporters will continue to ask why Hoke gets leeway on his win total (or whatever topic) this year when expectations of RR would-be/were different. Expectations were set with Harbaugh becoming the HC, and again with Miles, those same expectations will be applied to Hoke when it is likely really unfair to do so. At the end of this season Hoke won't have the full support of the UM fan base but I think he will have the program in a better place, how much better will be decided over the next 3 months.
I don't think that he is a bad guy or a bad coach but I was hoping for something more. I almost assume that he'll win 9 or 10 games next year with most of the 2-deep returning and a favorable schedule and everyone will declare him the savior. I'm just dreading some 'Bush Push' almost beat OSU type thing where he gets a fat extension and slowly burns this program to the ground like Charlie Weis did at Notre Dame. I really hope that's not the case and he gets us back to national prominence.
so much has changed...yet nothing has changed. The magnetic pole shift has occured and nothing really is that different.
I was at Autzen when Braylon dropped the final pass and I realized we weren't going to get it done. I resolved to travel back to Mecca for the redux of the ducks. Apalachian State happened. Belloti got his picture with the scoreboard in the background. Carr was carried off the field after a truly great Capital One Bowl. That season encapsulated the dichotomous nature of the modern Wolverine.
The division between Wolverines on this hire is disheartening...yet letting go of the spread is more troubling to me than any lack of coaching bona fides. Remembering the horror and Dennis Dixon still resonates. I don't see an answer for this deep wound in the salve of Brady Hoke.
I need to take a break from what has been a multi-year obsesson with regaining Michigan pride and excellence. I need to go back to my cave and sleep another couple hundred years. I'll awake to find my religion in vogue instead of on the fringe.
I've already put my thoughts into a lengthy post in another thread (before I even saw this one).
My disappointment level is still incredibly high. After all that transpired in that 2007 season, and seeing the landscape of college football as it is today. I really don't like the idea of "going back" to what we did (offensively) before. I really don't like that the (now ended) RR era is being looked at as a "failed experiment." Well, any experiment is bound to fail if the plug is pulled before it's given a chance to be completed.
RR deserved at least one more year. That's all we (his supporters) asked for. We, apparently, weren't really going after Harbaugh or Miles. Not like either actually seemed to want the job anyway. And I'm pretty sure that if Hoke was the guy from jump, he still would've been available next year if need be. So I honestly can't see a reason why this whole thing was scrapped prematurely.
I am really not feeling it with Hoke. Les had me a little concerned, I was on the Jim bandwagon, Hoke just seems like a step to the side instead of forward.
I hope I am wrong, we can get our first real clue at the spring game.
Give the guy a chance
I am interested in how the media fawns over the hire though, Dick Vitale's twitter was buzzing all over it
IT'S A GREAT HIRE BABY GOOD GUT FEELING ABOUT THIS GUY BABY
And of course all the former players very excited
I will reserve judgement until I see what happens in the season, you have to give the guy a chance
Still very early
of patience with people claiming it's not fair that current players and the media are supporting BH in ways that RR never was. Newsflash: life's not fair. Also done with people demanding that DB be fired, pilloried, etc. because, whah, the search could have been done in November if he was going to hire BH, and, whah, I want to know what was going on with the search every 15 freaking minutes.
I wanted Harbaugh until it was clear he wasn't coming here. It may not be the popular opinion but I think DB did an excellent job on the search and on the results he got.
Thank God I'm posting these thoughts in this thread and won't have to bear the whithering insults of being a slappy, a pollyanna, or, worse, a Pangloss.
I can't remember what I posted, but I thought it was a fantastic hire for you guys. I do remember the pure vitriol when his name was brought up as a candidate.
Post was so good, had to say it 3 times.