Engler moves to weaken compliance at MSU
This Free Press article demonstrates why Engler is not in the least bit interested in accomplishing any positive change at MSU. He will resist any effort at putting teeth into a compliance culture. It is to the detriment of the school, and apparently Mosallem is the only trustee who recognizes this.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2018/10/29/new-compliance-plan-msu/1774191002/
October 29th, 2018 at 10:43 PM ^
Baffling that someone so tone deaf and incompetent is in charge of things......
but not really
Thank the gods we didn’t lose to that band of miscreants. Burn it down.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:46 PM ^
my sentiments exactly.
October 29th, 2018 at 11:57 PM ^
Look... people don't just allow low functioning, out of touch, misogynistic, old, fat white men hold positions of power. It just doesn't happen. That's not how it works.
Elected officials have to pass very rigorous aptitude tests, like how to fold up an umbrella when coming in out of the rain.
I have to assume Engler at least knows how to work a fucking umbrella. Therefore, if he feels that reducing the compliance of a state university that has a very real demonstrated history of non-compliance is within the best interests of the state of Michigan, well then... who are we to argue?
October 30th, 2018 at 1:30 AM ^
Who are we to argue? This guy is not an elected official right now. He is appointed.
This is not in the best interest of State of Michigan. I am not sure how you concluded other than blind faith in an appointed official.
October 30th, 2018 at 5:56 AM ^
Poster was being sarcastic.
October 30th, 2018 at 7:58 AM ^
Yes, but the one viable point made was that he was appointed. Next week are elections, and I am sure they have some MSU Board members up for election.
I would imagine there are candidates that wish to change this. (Not sure who they are though as am not in MI) Everyone back in the state should be voting for them or at least be voting all the current members that allowed this culture to happen out.
October 30th, 2018 at 9:36 AM ^
The current board members up for re-election "decided" not to run.. So you have the choice between candidates who have not held the position before.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:07 AM ^
I thought I had heard there were some candidates that were vehemently opposed to Engler and what he was doing in that position. sorry, must have misunderstood.
October 30th, 2018 at 8:19 AM ^
You need to turn up the gain on your sarcasm detector.
October 30th, 2018 at 8:55 AM ^
Good lord dude. How can you miss the /s?
October 30th, 2018 at 12:19 PM ^
Damn. I completely missed the sarcasm. Ashamed. :(
October 30th, 2018 at 3:20 AM ^
What does him being white have anything to do with it? What if he was old, fat, and black? Or Mexican? Or Chinese? Calm your tits.
October 30th, 2018 at 7:32 AM ^
Follow your own advice. No one else mentioned it but you.
October 30th, 2018 at 9:04 AM ^
Uhhh... Are you saying that no one should have made a comment about his blatantly racist post? This board can be weird sometimes.
October 30th, 2018 at 9:24 AM ^
It actually because historically the only people who are put in charge of things for no reason have been old, fat, white guys. Show me where in history any black man has put in charge of things without the proper credentials.
It only happens when the man put in charge is white.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:31 AM ^
Ben Carson says “Hi!”
October 30th, 2018 at 10:23 AM ^
Because our elected officials are not largely old, fat, and Mexican. Neither is Engler.
October 30th, 2018 at 11:57 AM ^
The comment certainly struck a body blow to me as a white man. I'm not sure I'll every recover.
You, however, are one tough cookie; I have some fervent hopes that you'll survive it!
October 30th, 2018 at 10:00 AM ^
I like the way you celebrate diversity with your racist, sexist, agist remarks while hiding behind a pseudonym and a cartoon.
October 30th, 2018 at 10:14 AM ^
I'm only about 20 years and a few lbs from being an old, fat, white guy myself. I'm pretty sure that in terms of being discriminated against, we didn't get the short stick.
October 30th, 2018 at 11:24 AM ^
Poor old, fat, rich white guys. Even though they're massively overrepresented in Congress, local govermnet, business and every other seat of authority in this country, they're the REAL victims of discrimination. /s
Suck it up, snowflake.
October 30th, 2018 at 11:41 AM ^
You can't expect equality unless you are willing to grant it.
If the people you scorn are overrepresented in Congress it is because people who are not old, fat rich and white voted for them, too.
Keep playing the victim card if it makes you feel good, but it is a loser's game.
October 30th, 2018 at 1:43 PM ^
Lol you're the one playing the victim game.
October 29th, 2018 at 10:54 PM ^
Just give their students some couches and they can take it from there...
October 29th, 2018 at 10:58 PM ^
So they appointed a CCO who got the hell out of Dodge after he realized he was being set up to fail, or at least, not succeed.
Edit: Oh, and "fail" being defined as, not actually being able to accomplish any independent function. Just be a rubberstamp for something you might not agree with...
October 29th, 2018 at 11:09 PM ^
I wonder how Michigan set up Engler and tricked him into closing down the ethics position he supposedly created?
October 29th, 2018 at 11:14 PM ^
This entire fkn year demonstrates why Engler is not in the least bit interested in accomplishing any positive change at MSU. He will resist any effort at putting teeth into a compliance culture. It is to the detriment of the school, and apparently Mosallem is the only trustee who recognizes this.
Fixed that for you, but... yeah, can't disagree
October 30th, 2018 at 7:52 AM ^
You know what’s really scary? A vagina with teeth.
October 30th, 2018 at 8:03 AM ^
Then don’t date a Gelgamek.
October 29th, 2018 at 11:14 PM ^
Nice. Have one boss responsible directly for compliance and the department that audits the compliance. That way the boss, whose job performance will be tied to both departments, can make sure that they both play well with each other.
It is all about accountability. The audit office should be reporting directly to the president and should have a dotted line to the board of trustees.
The best way to make a department fail is to under fund. So, Kudos to Engler for making sure to protect the interest of the bottom line without making any radical changes for the well being of the students.
October 30th, 2018 at 6:32 AM ^
Well, how can they properly fund the department when the B1G accesses a $10,000 fine against them. Let's be sure to blame those responsible.
/s if it wasn't obvious.
October 30th, 2018 at 9:22 AM ^
accesses ? oh well .. it's the thought that counts, right ?
Go Blue!
October 30th, 2018 at 9:19 AM ^
Actually, as a practicing internal auditor, the audit function should report directly to the audit committee of the board of directors with dotted line for approval of administrative expenses to the President of the University. If the audit department reports to the president they lose a measure of independence.
I have seen compliance and audit operate together, but that was in a healthcare setting where the primary focus of that compliance group was medical billing compliance with the various insurers. So not a true compliance function and also not actually a control.
They way to understand this (and this isn't for the poster to whom I am replying as I think the poster gets it) is that compliance is actually a control and audit must be independent from control functions to be able to opine on them. Think of it this way, if you set something up and then are asked to opine on it, shockingly you will probably think it's pretty awesome.
By combining these two functions there really isn't any way that audit can independently opine on them at MSU. That isn't to say it can't work, it is to say that the independence is compromised and if issues arise there is no way to trust that the assurance functions will operate properly.
October 29th, 2018 at 11:19 PM ^
Well he was brought in to protect Mork and Izzo. He is succeeding at what they wanted him to do.
October 29th, 2018 at 11:21 PM ^
I'm going to guess that that compliance dept. was set up with no intention of being fully functioning and only for show. So that MSU could say, "See, we do care".
October 29th, 2018 at 11:23 PM ^
Okay, so I'm one of those old farts who only ever considered OSU and Notre Dame to be our real football rivals.
But goddamn if every time I see the words "John Engler" and "Michigan State" now, I don't want to render everything in East Lansing permanently radioactive.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:28 AM ^
Avatar/user name checks out.
October 29th, 2018 at 11:25 PM ^
Everyone paying Michigan taxes should be looking to fire him immediately. He is an embarrassment to the state.
October 29th, 2018 at 11:34 PM ^
What compliance?
How do you weaken something that does not exist? Ah, the mysteries of the universe.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:18 AM ^
Great "grabber" headline. One has to then read the article to see how you could possibly accomplish a weakening of MSU's compliance program.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:25 AM ^
I'd say its unbelievable, but its really not.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:31 AM ^
I guess there's no way this can be asked without violating the "no politics" rule of the blog, but I'm gonna give it a try and we'll see what happens I guess.
I normally do not vote for the leadership positions at MSU and Wayne state that are on the ballot. I kind of figure since I'm a U of M grad it's none of my business. But this time, with everything that's happened at State, and given the disinterest the existing trustees have shown in enacting the sort of change that might prevent such things in the future, I may have to change that. So... who are the candidates for MSU trustee, if any, that have shown any sort of basic human decency regarding the Nassar crimes and cover up? I'm gonna be a single issue voter in this particular race, so I honestly don't care if they're a Republican, Democrat, or third (fourth, fifth...) party.
October 30th, 2018 at 1:14 AM ^
Vote them all out. They are all complicit.
October 30th, 2018 at 8:12 AM ^
It does affect all of us in the state regardless of where you went to school. (It was recently, let's just say.... disconcerting to meet colleagues from other countries who didn't realize MSU is not the same university as U-M).
Mossalem appears to be the only current trustee at MSU who actually cares about enacting any meaningful change.
October 30th, 2018 at 9:42 AM ^
I know this isn't supposed to get political, but to clarify, none of them are running for re-election. Many of them are not up for re-election.
October 30th, 2018 at 12:55 AM ^
I will be SHOCKED if our nemesis Jim D. doesn't fine this clown. Making the reference to "preferential treatment" for the two BIG schools is a joke. It's been all OSU since Tressel/Urban.
But we got screwed by this same conference after going 10-0-1 in 1973.
October 30th, 2018 at 1:28 AM ^
People need to start linking protest to businesses related to the trustees.
October 30th, 2018 at 6:44 AM ^
It really makes me wonder what else remains hidden. It seem to be a very easy choice to take all steps necessary to change the culture that existed previously.
October 30th, 2018 at 6:54 AM ^
Just a microcosm if the times we live in. Tone deaf leaders looking out only for themselves and their buddies.