Devin Gardner talking about Cade/Rutgers

Submitted by blueblooded14 on September 28th, 2021 at 12:03 PM

Just listened to "Monday Morning Quarterback" with Devin Gardner and Same Webb. Was extremely impressed with Devin's insights. He seems to have a greater depth of understanding, understandably so, than many others analyzing Michigan football. 

One of the most interesting insights was his observation that Cade's mechanics have been deteriorating the last couple of weeks. Also, he discussed how being hit can affect a player mentally and emotionally (e.g. ND 2013). I also paid close attention to his comments about the second-half play calling. He walks through those drives in detail and has convinced me that this is not necessarily a coaching/playcalling issue. We had players out there who didn't make plays. Also, Rutgers might be a decent team.

Suggest you take a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O7s-u0ObtU

JamesBondHerpesMeds

September 28th, 2021 at 12:08 PM ^

Sorry, but I'm already convinced that UMxWolverines, TheCube, and others on this site have more in-depth knowledge of the program, playcalls, and player performance than a former multi-year starter does. 

Do not try to convince me otherwise.

chunkums

September 28th, 2021 at 1:52 PM ^

It's possible to be a passionate fan without mewling about how outraged you are every time something remotely negative occurs. We're 4-0 with 7 dominant halves and one crappy one. If you are currently pissed about the state of things, ask yourself if you should continue watching sports. They don't actually matter in any material way to your life and they're supposed to be viewed for entertainment purposes.

rob f

September 28th, 2021 at 10:54 PM ^

I'm still not quite fully convinced Shea is/was 'Mineral King'. Yes, it's entirely possible but MK proved himself to be pretty idiotic at times.  I *hope* Shea was more intelligent than the person behind the MK facade.

I looked his account up just now on my mod page and can see that while Mineral King was still lurking earlier this year, he hasn't posted since spring of 2020 when he went "full stupid" and got called out by numerous posters.  

ssuarez

September 28th, 2021 at 6:03 PM ^

This is a great point. Playing for hoke, and not harbaugh means the multi year starter, professional football analyst and quarterback coach who was incredibly well liked and respected by all couldn't possible have connections to the current staff, or irrespective of said connections, simply have valuable insights into the program or play of our current QB. Nailed it. 

HollywoodHokeHogan

September 29th, 2021 at 9:28 PM ^

I mean, if your going that route, why bother with DG.  Harbaugh himself was a a way more successful quarterback than DG, and a very successful coach as well, and he seems to think the play calling was fine.  So case closed, everything is great.  Just like last year and the year before that, we’ve got at least one former quarterback with excellent knowledge of football who thinks the play calling is totally fine.

MarkyMarkWitho…

September 28th, 2021 at 12:09 PM ^

The Rutgers game may have not been a coaching/playcalling issue (waiting for UFR), but Gardner was sacrificed to the Gods when here.

Poor Damn Devin Gardner.

Devin Gardner knocked out on final play against Notre Dame | Sporting News

klctlc

September 28th, 2021 at 12:10 PM ^

Thanks for posting this. I listened yesterday and was curious why no discussion on this was taking place.  Devin is awesome.  Smart, funny and raw.  He is tough on the players but I think really fair.  

Not sure how you felt, but I felt that he was strongly hinting at getting McCarthy more involved in the games.  He did not say bench Cade but he is not happy.

Once again, he did not say anything specific about Cade being benched, it is just my opinion.

Curious what other's think

UMfan21

September 28th, 2021 at 12:18 PM ^

I felt the same about Devin's comments.  He has explained for the past few weeks various things Cade needs to improve on.  I felt like this week he really went a step further when listing all of the plays Cade missed in the 2nd half.   I think it's fair to say in Gardner's eyes, Cade is not performing well and making throws he is capable of making.

blueblooded14

September 28th, 2021 at 12:26 PM ^

Devin's comments about the throwing mechanics were fascinating. I hadn't seen that change myself and will now be looking for this in the future. The most damning comment was how the vast majority of qbs don't have the bandwidth to work on mechanics during the season. That comment makes sense but its implications are fairly dire. If we have a qb that is developing a problem that is close to unsolvable in the short-term and that problem is leading to catastrophic failure (RU 2nd half) for the offense... maybe we need to make a change?

And I think ripping on Cade is a bad idea. Seems like a good guy and I believe he can really play. But when fundamental mechanics are off - you can't play. And when your qb can't play - you can't win.

#celebrateallwins

klctlc

September 28th, 2021 at 12:44 PM ^

Agreed on benching Cade.  Not the time.  He has actually looked good for extended periods of time and the hit he took appeared to be in the chin.  Getting hit in the chin sucks.

Having no real evidence to back up. I really think the hit might have shook him up.  Maybe even concussion.  However if that is the case why was McCarthy not put in? The coaches are not idiots they can see what we see.  So that negates the hit being the cause of poor second half, or points to worse things.

My only concern is that if he can't get out of the funk, putting JJ in at Madison this weekend is gonna be really tough

blueblooded14

September 28th, 2021 at 12:59 PM ^

I think the concussion comments, and specifically the "COACHES BAD FOR HURTING PLAYERS" comment that usually follows them, are a bit of a stretch (not saying that's what you're saying but I've certainly heard it from others). Mild concussions are really difficult to diagnose and almost impossible when you've got a tough SOB, and I'm guessing Cade's a pretty tough guy, who doesn't want to come out of the game and knows how to game the system. Hard to blame the coaches here from the info available. He seemed to be hesitant after the hit, not incoherent. 

Totally agree about the funk and Madison. Really tough spot. Wish the best for Cade and hope he can go out there and sling it on Saturday.

MarcusBrooks

September 28th, 2021 at 4:26 PM ^

Cade may not have known he was as off as he was, it is up to the grownups in the room to pull a kid aside when he gets hit in the jaw like that and make sure he is OK. 

was a hard spot to pull him but when he missed most of his attempts in the second half and wasn't close on most of them MAYBE give the kid a shot. 

at least the THREAT of that big arm and running ability McCarthy has shown may have back them off the run game.