Dayne Crist injury play?
September 15th, 2010 at 10:23 PM ^
Appears to be during the play he threw to Rudolph and he had stretched out to reach the pylon, but was ruled to be out of bounds at the 2. Michigan player hit him as he was throwing.
September 15th, 2010 at 10:24 PM ^
pretty sure it's this one or not, just like this picture
September 16th, 2010 at 7:31 AM ^
listed as 7 plays before the TD... Back-tracking the play-by-play gets to that 19 yarder. It also says he suffered the "blurriness to the point he couldn't see out of his right eye" at that time; yet it was only after he told the coaches he couldn't remember the plays they had just signaled by the time he broke the huddle that he asked them if he was OK....
September 15th, 2010 at 10:53 PM ^
... someone pointed out that this is actually the Montana kid... The Crist tackle was a one on one tackle with Kovacs where he gets him in the earhole at the 13:17 mark of the 1st quarter, per PeterKlima's response below.
September 15th, 2010 at 11:08 PM ^
then I retract that.
September 15th, 2010 at 11:18 PM ^
... any chance to post that picture should be taken advantage of.
September 15th, 2010 at 10:27 PM ^
... it was on the play 5 or plays or so before the TD. It was the play that Crist ran 19 yards on. Kovacs hit him. Not a bad hit, but that's what happens when drop back passers decide to run....
September 15th, 2010 at 10:30 PM ^
should worry about his own quarterback's health.
And STFU about DR.
September 15th, 2010 at 10:46 PM ^
Notre Dame quarterbacks have been getting laid the F out by Michigan's D in recent years. We've all seen the pictures.
September 16th, 2010 at 10:09 AM ^
We've all seen the pictures.
Still fun to see them again!
September 15th, 2010 at 11:03 PM ^
And according to the ESPN article, Crist has previously been concussed (in HS), which calls Kelly's judgment into question even more. Should he even be playing against MSU?
Contrast this with RR's handling of Tate in the Iowa game last year. He did not know at the time that Tate had a concussion, but he did recognize that Tate was out of sorts, not responding the way he normally would, and he put Denard in. He then took a lot of flack for what was clearly (from a health standpoint) the correct decision.
September 15th, 2010 at 11:09 PM ^
That wasn't the only reason he put denard in. He put him in cause he felt denard might be able to spark something it had nothing really to do with being "out of it".
September 15th, 2010 at 11:17 PM ^
That was a factor as well, but he did comment afterwards, when he learned of the concussion, that he thought Tate didn't seem to be himself. If he'd been acting normally, my guess is RR would have played him. After all, this was one week after the MSU game, where Tate struggled for three quarters and then turned it on in the fourth.
September 16th, 2010 at 7:27 AM ^
Didn't look like a big hit. Also odd that he was able to complete the drive, throwing passes with blurry vision?
Anyway if he had a concussion he shouldn't have gone back in the game, IMO. Everybody likes a tough guy but concussions are super serious, the days of "oh he just got his bell rung a bit" need to go away.
September 15th, 2010 at 10:30 PM ^
Fuck.
Shit.
Up.
for his team this year.... unfortunately it appears more and more that that philosophy pertains to his QB's brains as well. The kid should NEVER have come back in.
September 15th, 2010 at 10:40 PM ^
The play I believe he was injured on was the last play before Notre Dames first actual TD, Thomas Gordon came in and gave him a great jolt and concussed him...Then Kelly put him back in anyway. Good thing he didn't take another big time shot later in the game because it could have gotten really serious for him.
September 15th, 2010 at 10:48 PM ^
Aren't concussions like a huge deal right now. Eye blurriness and memory loss are key symptoms to obvious brain injury. How is it RR gets criticized for every action he takes, but Brian Kelly lets a kid continue to play that has a BRAIN injury and its not even really talked about how he should of never let him back in.
September 15th, 2010 at 11:18 PM ^
but there isn't a gold standard as of now on how you diagnose and evaluate the severity of the injury. The NFL brought in a system called IMPACT to measure a baseline for all NFL Combine participants. But there isn't a reliable way to clear a player back onto the field. Kelly may not have had proper or enough medical advice, so he may have chose on the side of winning the game.
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<br>There is a lot of research going on right now on traumatic brain injuries due to greater awareness in the NFL and soldiers returning with it from battle. There are companies vying for this opportunity and there may soon be a method or system to clear a player back to play or keep him out. Whatever system ends up the standard should be independent of coaching calls or the game situation. Concussions should be taken very seriously not to sacrifice quality of life for a football game.
September 15th, 2010 at 10:50 PM ^
According to Brian Kelly on "Inside Notre Dame Football," it was Kovacs' hit on Crist's 19yd read option run that did the damage. Kelly said he got a helmet to the jaw and started having problems after that, but finished the drive without letting the coaches know of the problem.
September 15th, 2010 at 11:11 PM ^
only being investigated for playing a QB with a messed up brain this weekend?
There is no way Crist should have played after losing vision in his right eye. Shame on the ND medical staff.
September 15th, 2010 at 11:40 PM ^
This isn't necessarily just on BK. Some member of the Irish medical staff cleared him to play. At some point I have to imagine BK as the head of the program has authority over that medical staff, but still. This is also on the Irish medical stiff.
It's also ridiculous as I've posted elsewhere.
September 15th, 2010 at 11:26 PM ^
"After I initially took the hit, I tried to shake it off. ...But then physically I could not see ... It was blurry to the point where I couldn't see anything out of my right eye," he said
"After that, we just pushed through it and tried to finish the drive. Then when everything was done, it all kind of hit me. That's when the trainers identified it and wanted to pull me off for a second."
Crist said some of the fogginess was apparently revealed after a phone call with offensive coordinator Charley Molnar. He either "couldn't understand" some of the conversation or it "was going a little quickly."
September 15th, 2010 at 11:49 PM ^
I honestly can't believe that this issue isn't all over the sports media right now. This is just egregious on the part of Notre Dame's staff.
September 16th, 2010 at 8:50 AM ^
no big deal, but four more interceptions in right in front of the ND faithful was unacceptable. /s
September 16th, 2010 at 10:04 AM ^
in the 2nd half? I don't remember him doing so. If no, then it's pretty likely that BK knew he wasn't all there and was risking his health to win the game. The option keeper worked extremely well when he ran it in the first half--there's almost no way he wouldn't come back to it in the second half unless he thought perhaps his QB had a brain injury...
September 16th, 2010 at 6:42 PM ^
I'd be livid. A girl soccer player at the school where I coach got a concussion last week, and she has had to sit out two weeks and wear a soft helmet after that. From talking to her, you can still tell that she isn't "right" yet. Another soccer player a few years ago got knocked out in a game, and her entire personality changed for about a year. A player for the boys team took a shot to the back of the head and ended up missing 6 weeks, and all he ever really had was a headache. There is no way that you can be too cautious about putting a concussed person back into harm's way. Crist absolutely should have sat the rest of the U-M game, and should have undergone rigorous testing in preparation for the MSU game. To do otherwise is irresponsible and dangerous.