M Ascending

January 9th, 2017 at 11:04 AM ^

If we can get that cucksocker off their roster, I'm all for it.  Let them reload every year.  It's better than their having a roster full of top quality upper classmen.

(FYI -- a cucksocker is a dyslexic who gives bj's.)

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MGoStrength

January 9th, 2017 at 11:36 AM ^

It's hard to imagine their offense being that great next year unless they have someone that did not contribute this season that turns out to be really good.  I don't think you can expect that out of true freshman.  Our first string defense shouldn't have to worry much.  I doubt Barrett is good enough to test our young secondary, especially with our d-line in his face all day.  If we get injuries on the other hand, look out.

 

Their defense on the other hand is going to give our offensive line fits.  I'm not sure who is going to block their DEs ugh. :/  But, we should be able to keep it close, and at home against a rival, anything can happen.

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buckeyejonross

January 9th, 2017 at 3:45 PM ^

The JT QB draw on 3rd down has an absurd success rate. If anything, OSU helped botch the Clemson game by not calling that, and instead trying to challenge Clemson wide on short yardage situations. We ran 6 (six!) run plays between the tackles against Clemson. For 117 yards. One was an 11 yard JT QB draw. Two were chunk gains by Weber (albeit he fumbled both), and one was Samuel's 60-some yarder. Then we just stopped running inside. We threw something like 20 of our first 25 offensive plays. That's insane.

The criticisms of the last two years have centered around the abandonment of the core plays we ran under Herman. It's why 'Zeke got pissed after the MSU game. He wasn't calling for the ball more, he was calling for specific gap blocking plays that used to work in 2013-2014 and weren't being called anymore. 

Besides, Wilson doesn't have to change much per se, he just needs to call a consistent game where plays build off each other and we get back to running constraints like we did under Herman. Get back to core tennants. Get back to having an experienced OC call plays instead of having an in-over-his-head ex-OL coach do it. OSU's identity under Meyer for 5 years has been inside running and far too often in the last two years under Warinner we've abandoned 2012-2014 staples to run some mis-matched west coast passing offense bullshit.

JT averaged 9 ypa as a freshman, why has he regressed to back-to-back 6 ypa seasons after Herman left? 

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MGoManBall

January 9th, 2017 at 4:27 PM ^

I noticed the same thing against Clemson. Why OSU continued to attack the edge is beyond me. They beat Oregon in the NC by running inside zone power. 

I laugh every time OSU tries to run the speed option. It has to be their worst play. It's like their "give up and punt on 3rd down and long" play instead of screens and draws. 

They also ran that god-awful swing pass a bunch... the one that they also ran against UM in OT that Samuel basically turned from a 3-4 yard loss on 3rd down to a large gain to make it that 4th and 1. The only difference was that Clemson either made the tackle... or Samuel/Weber didn't catch it. 

 

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kb33

January 9th, 2017 at 2:21 PM ^

I was not implying that JT should leave... I was just saying that JT announced late last week that he was coming back, and that could have impacted Samuel's decision to leave ( /s)...
I personally think JT should come back, as I dont believe he would get drafted IMHO...

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MGoStrength

January 9th, 2017 at 11:30 AM ^

Granted, they still have to be the favorite, but they are looking much more beatable without Sameuels, Hooker, Conley, McMillan, and likely Lattimore.

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True Blue Grit

January 9th, 2017 at 11:31 AM ^

of players.  It seems just about anyone who gets a sniff from the NFL scouts is gone immediately.  Do they have any NFL-caliber guys who stay for their 4th/5th years?  Does Alabama have that kind of turnover too?  Maybe a lot of their players just don't feel that strong of a bond to the team/program or have a high desire to complete their degrees.  Just idle speculation on my part though.

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MichiganMan14

January 9th, 2017 at 11:44 AM ^

Back to back years of OSU being absolutely gutted. That's tough. When you compare their skill guys vs ours....I think we have them best now in all honesty. Especially with the incoming class.

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M-Dog

January 9th, 2017 at 11:57 AM ^

Yeah, at some point it trues up.

We lacked depth and we had some recent classes with big holes pre-Harbaugh.  

But Harbaugh's classes have been excellent. 

If we are getting to the point where it is essentially Harbaugh's last two classes competeing with Meyer's last two classes, we are now in the ball park.

 

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LKLIII

January 9th, 2017 at 12:08 PM ^

We might crank up the maching in Ann Arbor where a lot of our guys are leaving every 3 years as well, but another way to do this is to--as you put it--get within striking distance in terms of average star rankings (but not beat them necessarily), BUT create a culture where you stay & get your degree.

In that case, what you're getting is a roster turnover every 4 years instead of every 3 years, and thus any modest gap in raw talent you can make up in experience/leadership.  It's like a more mild version of the bifrucation you're seeing in NCAA basketball.  You get the 1 and done schools like Kentucky, but then it's not rare where a more seasoned team beats the raw gaggle of freshmen too.

The other thing is--when you create such a high powered machine like an OSU where a ton of kids are 3 and out, it also puts a premium on not screwing up any given recruiting class.  If your average players are staying just 3 years, and you screw up one of those seasons, you've got 1/3rd of your roster sub-par, whereas if the average is 4 years and you screw up a single class, you've got just 1/4th of your roster that's relatively weak.  Powerful engines with high fuel demands are awesome.  But if you run out of your fuel source, the engine dies a lot faster too.

 

 

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Sharuck

January 9th, 2017 at 4:37 PM ^

OSU is expecting 15 starters back, including the entire two-deep on DL, two LBs, 4 OL, RB, QB.  Not nearly the amount of losses as last year.

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war-dawg69

January 9th, 2017 at 11:59 AM ^

That was just disgusting and that clemson player should be suspended and charged. Grabbing another mans package and trying to cornhole him on national tv are you kidding me. The whole clemson team is full of homosexual predators from what I have seen.

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M-Dog

January 9th, 2017 at 4:14 PM ^

If that guy plays tonight then the NCAA is a complete joke and we should just flat out ignore it.  It is irrelevant.  

Go ahead and have Steven Ross call up Harris and Solomon and offer them more money than the've ever seen before.  Rules don't even matter anymore.

 

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jimmyshi03

January 9th, 2017 at 11:51 AM ^

The reason I don't love the NFL is that whatever team actually picks Samule will have no idea how to use him. Witness the NFL career of Tavon Austin. You can say what you want about quality of play, but college coaches are so much more willing to let athletes play. 

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