Coronavirus/COVID-19 Post for 3/26/2020
Per a comment Seth made in the Mod Sticky, coaching search rules apply to the coronavirus now. One board post a day with exceptions for breaking news.
Latest update at the time of posting:
- Late last night the Senate passed the $2 Trillion dollar stimulus bill 96-0, it now moves to the House, and if passed there, to the President.
Stay safe, stay at home, wash your hands, and GO BLUE!
What’s the over and under in the number of conspiracy threads today?
Ha! Whatever the number I'm sure it's equal to the number that will be taken down.
Someone else can set the line, regardless, I’ll take the over.
Seems like they're doubling every 3.1 days. Only way to prevent spread is to socially isolate them. I guess idiocy is a pandemic too.
March 26th, 2020 at 10:16 AM ^
The only thing doubling faster is internet Covid-19 experts.
March 26th, 2020 at 11:01 AM ^
Amen to this - the number of people I've unfollowed on Twitter is doubling each day.
March 26th, 2020 at 12:42 PM ^
And it does not come with herd immunity.
He stayed at a Holiday Inn... that's rep bruh!
My sister was tested yesterday. She works in a nursing home with no known cases but woke up with a 102 fever and was also diagnosed with pneumonia once she cleared all the red tape to see a doc. My nephew (who was over Monday) for supper woke up Tuesday with diahrrea and throwing up, which can be a symptom for a six yr old. What a mess! There’s flu and pneumonia going around the area and only adds to the already bad situation.
Hoping for the best for you and your family.
Thanks friend. She’s somewhat overweight with a heart issue. This sickness was textbook from the tiredness to instant fever and pneumonia. No political BS or anything else matters when it comes to what’s happening right now.
Dear friend hospitalized and struggling for over a week. Transferred to U of M in AA and given the anti-malaria drug. Huge improvement and released to home last night.
Conspiracy theorist! /s
Good that your friend is doing better. Here's to s full recovery.
I've said this before but I have family overseas (aunt and uncle in early 70s) with the same outcome. Tested positive, given anti malaria drug and now recovering at home on their own.
This is such an encouraging post! Even if anecdotal, the success stories are really piling up.
Our optimism should still be very cautious. So far so good on the cases mentioned here. Hopefully their convalescence continues and they are ultimately cured.
March 26th, 2020 at 12:25 PM ^
I just ate some Skittles and no coronavirus yet, if you're looking for some promising anecdotes on a vaccine.
Please. please tell me it wasn't a green skittle. I HATE the green ones.
They changed green from “lime” to “green apple” and it ruined the entire bag of skittles
Please be cautious with anecdotal reports - the first real study results are NOT showing a benefit. I'm glad your friend is better and that is all that matters.
oh come on. 100% reputable source treating at one of the greatest hospitals on the planet.
March 26th, 2020 at 10:15 AM ^
Under what metric are you and your friend a "100% reputable source" that we should all trust while ignoring the advice of trained medical professionals?
March 26th, 2020 at 10:18 AM ^
Sometimes it's just better to let it go. His buddy got an experimental treatment and it worked. Great.
March 26th, 2020 at 10:24 AM ^
More precisely, his buddy got an experimental treatment and got better.
March 26th, 2020 at 10:36 AM ^
an unfortunate part of the self-loathing michigan fan base on display here. miserable with good news, and can only revel in bad news.
March 26th, 2020 at 10:56 AM ^
I appreciate you giving info on your friend and their experience, and it is very encouraging.
March 26th, 2020 at 11:08 AM ^
I'm happy for your friend and it is encouraging to hear that hospitalized patients are recovering. What you are seeing is in response to the minority of folks on this blog and elsewhere that are persistently peddling false hope, bogus science and encouraging behavior that will ultimately hurt all of us. You can excuse my mild correction - I found this morning that two of my close friends ( both emergency room physicians in NY, and one a Michigan grad) both have tested positive and are now off the front lines for possibly weeks while they attempt to personally recover.
March 26th, 2020 at 12:46 PM ^
Most people would hope like crazy that a treatment is successful. Anecdotal evidence isn't the scientific process.
A new study from China just released showed relatively little difference in outcomes between those treated with anti-malarial drugs and those that weren't. The study only had 30 people participate and was too small to be conclusive. We shall know soon enough as many places are using anti-malarial meds to make a determination using established protocols.
They weren't using the combination therapy with the Z-pack in this study that you reference. Seems like we'll have more definitive information soon enough. Still great news from XM about his friend.
I don't see anyone here that's miserable...? The fact that your friend is better is 100% a positive, and people are celebrating with you!
The snobbiness and arrogance of academia on full display lately.
It is possible to be hopeful for and believe that we will find a good medical treatment for covid-19, while still believing it is better to do some robust testing before deciding based on anecdotal evidence that we have.
it is scary that even on a blog where presumably a large portion of the contributors are graduates of one of the premier research universities in the world, disdain for science is somehow seen as a badge of honor.
You don't get it. We don't have time for robust testing. People are in hospitals now, and any treatment that has a trend toward success and being used by medical professionals is worth exploring.
I'll make it into a sports analogy. You and others are like GMs who have models and analytics about everything. But when it's 3rd and 4 and you need a stop, it's the football coach who decides what LB to put in and what play to run. The doctors are the coaches. They have to take action and make decisions on the fly with imperfect information. There is no other choice.
I must have missed the post you are responding to where someone said it is not worth exploring? We should be exploring all viable options. It is still important to do testing of the options that are being explored. That way everyone can benefit from the most successful ones.
Hardly. The vast majority of these guys aren’t Academics - just internet know it’s all’s.
Great to hear XM...if it doesn't fit the echo chamber mindset it MUST be wrong is one of the most tiresome issues here. Instead of saying cool, someone is better...maybe there is hope for SOME...it has to be all or nothing. Keep up the positives XM...it's one of the things I do appreciate here. Glad they are doing better and hope everything continues to improve.
March 26th, 2020 at 11:00 AM ^
Exactly. If I had it and licking ostrich ass was a potential cure I’d be packing the chapstick.
March 26th, 2020 at 11:05 AM ^
What's the chapstick for?
March 26th, 2020 at 11:14 AM ^
You’d think a bottle of Scope would be a better choice
Yeah, for all we know the benefit comes directly from actually having your naked moist lips come into contact with said grainy ostrich ass.
Yeah...got me with that one.
March 26th, 2020 at 11:11 AM ^
Probably better to pack your Nikes....
March 26th, 2020 at 11:30 AM ^
XM, it's still anecdotal. Your friend could have eaten a clove of garlic and then recovered, and would have quite accurately reported "first garlic, then felt better." The point of anecdotal evidence is that it has no statistical significance and therefore doesn't inform people as to whether a particular treatment is useful for others. Only a randomized, double-blind clinical trial can do that.
For the record, hydroxychloroquine has a long track record in malaria treatment, but it's not a malaria "cure." Nearly half a million people still die of malaria every year despite most of them having access to chloroquine.
It's great news for your friend and anyone else who has been helped. It's bad news to the extent self-treating folks beg, borrow, steal, buy chloroquine and result in patients for whom it has been prescribed (e.g. lupus, rheumatoid arthritis) can't get it, which is now happening.
March 26th, 2020 at 11:57 AM ^
sopwith, it is the treatment your/our great school prescribed and it worked. my buddy was in dire condition and on oxygen, having been in one hosptial (beaumont) and them U of M for a period covering 10 days. so i guess U of M is using anecdotal treatments?
its good news. might not be efficacious in all cases but sure seems like a very positive development. i don't understand how some can rain on any parade - and you, with your excellent humor, of all people.
March 26th, 2020 at 12:07 PM ^
"Anecdotal" isn't a pejorative, it just means you can't extrapolate it. There's no such thing as an anecdotal treatment, but are anecdotal reports that reach the wrong ears and, unfortunately, those lay people take medical decisions into their own hands.
I love that UM is trying it, and anyone who has sufficient supplies should try it, because treatment options are so incredibly limited it's not like it's substituting for something more proven. But experimental is just that, experimental. I'm bullish on it, personally, but realize it's a long way from proven. Placebos also work and should be considered-- including telling people they are getting hydroxychloroquine even if they're not-- because the placebo is still the greatest medicine in the history of mankind.
The fact your friend is better is unmitigatedly awesome.
March 26th, 2020 at 12:19 PM ^
i appreciate all that you are saying, but with one important difference: U of M isn't using 'anecdotal' treatments. it works. might only work for some % less than 100, but its a real treatment that brought a long-time buddy (huge U of M fan by the way, one of his sons went, also) back from a dangerous time.
March 26th, 2020 at 12:38 PM ^
The entire point Sopwith is making is that you can't conclude from an n=1 that "it works." There is no evidence that there is a causative link between the treatment and the recovery.
March 26th, 2020 at 12:56 PM ^
even someone as dim-witted as i am understands that idea. the issue is that a.) it really happened and b.) U of M uses that treatment which to me is about as solid of a recommendation and endorsement that its not just an 'experiment' as one could find.
but sure, good news is bad news, bad news is great, so the worse things are the happier folks will be. makes perfect sense.
http://www.med.umich.edu/asp/pdf/adult_guidelines/COVID-19-treatment.pdf
This is straight from Michigan:
“There is no current evidence from RCTs to recommend any specific anti-COVID-19 treatment for patients with suspected or confirmed COVID-19 infection.
Treatment should be considered in symptomatic patients requiring hospitalization or those with conditions associated with severe disease (Table 2). All agents described in Table 3 are considered investigational/for compassionate use, and decision to use these should be made only with close attention to the patient’s clinical status, comorbidities, and interacting medications.”
Table 3 includes Hydroxychloroquine.
Yes, the fact that Michigan and many other highly respected medical institutions are testing it is very positive. Clearly it has passed a threshold that it is worthy of further testing and clearly there is anecdotal evidence that it works. But it is still experimental and unproven regardless if whether Michigan is using it.
Regardless of whether hydroxychloroquine was the reason your friend got better or not, I am glad he is better.
March 26th, 2020 at 10:01 PM ^
Not sure why you are getting negged?