Comprehensive Rant Thread
November 5th, 2011 at 4:35 PM ^
We also got screwed by the ref signaling Gallon out of bounds then they ran the clock after the ball was set. That took about twenty some seconds off the clock for no reason.
November 5th, 2011 at 7:11 PM ^
That wasn't the only time we wasted time while waiting to snap the ball. Gallon didn't get out of bounds IMHO, but he did get a first down causing the clock to stop.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:51 PM ^
We might have given up a couple extra seconds, but it would have ensured us more options on at least one play.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:43 PM ^
No time outs left. Running the ball would have been like sticking your balls in a rat trap
November 5th, 2011 at 4:47 PM ^
but this team really needs a good power back. Fitz is the best we have right now. We get inside the 5 and have a hard time punching it in. Field is compressed so passing is harder inside the 5.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:24 PM ^
how was denard's fumble not looked at? It seems to me that whilst scrambling around, he did surely place the ball firmly upon the ground, and then later lose control of it. If that's not the end of a play I don't know what is.
I'm coping by telling Iowa jokes.
IOWA: Idiots Out Walking Around
November 5th, 2011 at 3:36 PM ^
^ This. Any time the ball hits the ground while controlled by the ball carrier, the play is down. Regardless of if you're being tackled or not. This is true of highschool, college, NFL, arena league. ANYWHERE. Who in the hell was in the replay booth???
Also, a related issue. In the FBS, there is only ONE replay official in the booth. Should there not be two or three? I'm sorry, but even after taking off my homer goggles, Hemingway's "drop" still looks an awful lot like a catch.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:37 PM ^
Placing the ball on the ground is a fumble. There was nothing to review on that one. The officials made plenty of mistakes today, but that was not one of them.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:38 PM ^
The player has to be down, not the ball.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:39 PM ^
Not true. You can support yourself with your hand, but not with the ball. Supporting yourself with the ball is akin to placing your forearm or elbow on the turf. Down.
November 5th, 2011 at 8:17 PM ^
When the play occurred, I thought WTF??? But it must have changed unless I just can't find it in the rulebook. http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/FR12.pdf FR-55/FR-56: Rule 4 / Ball in Play , Dead Ball, Out of Bounds Ball Declared Dead ARTICLE 3. A live ball becomes dead and an official shall sound his whistle or declare it dead: a. When it goes out of bounds other than a kick that scores a field goal after touching the uprights or crossbar, when a ball carrier is out of bounds, or when a ball carrier is so held that his forward progress is stopped. When in question, the ball is dead (A.R. 4-2-1-II). b. When any part of the ball carrier’s body, except his hand or foot, touches the ground or when the ball carrier is tackled or otherwise falls and loses possession of the ball as he contacts the ground with any part of his body, except his hand or foot [Exception: The ball remains alive when an offensive player has simulated a kick or at the snap is in position to kick the ball held for a place kick by a teammate. The ball may be kicked, passed or advanced by rule] (A.R. 4-1-3-I). c. When a touchdown, touchback, safety, field goal or successful try occurs; or when an unsuccessful field-goal attempt that has crossed the neutral zone and is then untouched by Team B lands in Team B’s end zone or out of bounds (A.R. 6-3-9-I). d. When, during a try, a dead-ball rule applies (Rule 8-3-2-d-5). e. When a player of the kicking team catches or recovers any free kick or a scrimmage kick that has crossed the neutral zone. f. When a free kick, scrimmage kick or any other loose ball comes to rest and no player attempts to secure it. g. When a scrimmage kick beyond the neutral zone or a free kick is caught or recovered by any player after a valid or invalid fair-catch signal; or when an invalid fair-catch signal is made after a catch or recovery by Team B (Rules 2-8-1 through 3). h. When a return kick or scrimmage kick beyond the neutral zone is made. i. When a forward pass is ruled incomplete. j. When, before a change of team possession on fourth down or a try, a Team A fumble is caught or recovered by a Team A player other than the fumbler (Rules 7-2-2-a and -b and 8-3-2-d-5). k. When a live ball not in player possession touches anything inbounds other than a player, a player’s equipment, an official, an official’s equipment or the ground (inadvertent-whistle provisions apply). l. When a simultaneous catch or recovery of a live ball occurs. m. When the ball becomes illegal while in play (inadvertent-whistle provisions apply). n. When a live ball is in possession of an official (inadvertent-whistle provisions apply). o. When a ball carrier simulates placing his knee on the ground. p. When an airborne pass receiver of either team is held so that he is prevented from immediately returning to the ground (A.R. 7-3-6-III). q. When a ball carrier’s helmet comes completely off.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:39 PM ^
the play. Denard wasn't down when he lost control of the football, which means it's a fumble.
November 5th, 2011 at 4:38 PM ^
This seems like a discretion call because what the hell does the ground can't cause a fumble.
If a rb is running and dives and the ground knocks the ball loose before he is down then the play is technically down. I guess it is different from what happened to Denard.
November 5th, 2011 at 5:20 PM ^
is a myth.
It says this nowhere in the rule book, and it is not implied. If you lose the ball as you're hitting the ground with some part of your body other than your hand or your foot, it is not a fumble. Somehow that became the misleading, colloquial "the ground can't cause a fumble."
I'm guessing if you look closely at whatever play you're thinking of you'll find that the ball carrier's forearm or elbow or something hit the ground. It'd be pretty hard to dive without touching the ground--maybe a player trying to dive over a pile and hitting the ball on the ground while his body is entirely caught on the pile? That would be a fumble.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:43 PM ^
The play is dead...
When any part of the ball carrier’s body, except his hand or foot, touches the ground or when the ball carrier is tackled or otherwise falls and loses possession of the ball as he contacts the ground with any part of his body, except his hand or foot
Denard had not touched the ground with any part of his body except his hand or foot.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:55 PM ^
But if a player dives and stretches the ball out, the ball hits the grounds and comes out before any part of his body is down, the play is always maked where the ball hit the ground. Seems like a similar play here, except he wasn't diving.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:59 PM ^
That's a fumble.
(Unless it's in the end zone, in which case it was already a touchdown before the fumble.)
November 5th, 2011 at 4:39 PM ^
No it isn't. If the player is on his way to being down and the ball hits the ground and it comes out that is not considered a fumble.
November 5th, 2011 at 5:04 PM ^
Are you thinking about a receiver in the act of catching a pass? I can't figure out what the confusion can be here.
Denard fumbled. There's absolutely no doubt about the rule or its application to the situation and there was no reason to bother to review the play, unless the replay official couldn't tell live whether he touched the ground with something other than the ball or his hand.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:25 PM ^
Fuck Borges and my faith in instant replay. Can't wait to see Devin but not until 2013.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:30 PM ^
How did you misspell "Shane" as "Devin?" Stay in the blue, dennisblundon.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:38 PM ^
Why do so many people have this misguided notion that a true freshman will be better than senior Devin? A lot of great QBs were shells of their full potential as underclassmen. I'm not sure if Shane is trying to enroll early, which would help his chances at starting, but I don't like our chances of being a contender in the B1G if we're starting a true freshman with no veteran receivers and a very young o-line.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:25 PM ^
gonna have to drink a bottle of Jameson now.
November 5th, 2011 at 5:09 PM ^
Jameson is wonderful. (btw I'm from Westchester, OH, but live in GA)
November 5th, 2011 at 3:29 PM ^
AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Y U NO MAKE RIGHT CALL REF!?!
And I can't cope either, my friend got of a long relationship and gets way too depressed when drinking, so no Alcohol around him
November 5th, 2011 at 3:25 PM ^
November 5th, 2011 at 3:26 PM ^
Yeah but the refs fucked us still. No denying that.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:26 PM ^
I wish cancer on the officiating crew. The fucking painful kind.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:50 PM ^
that's fucked up
November 5th, 2011 at 3:52 PM ^
entirely warranted.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:26 PM ^
FML. I ANGR.
If we had couple plays go differently that game is ours to win.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:26 PM ^
If having possession with your knee down in the endzone is not a TD, then does anyone know what is?
November 5th, 2011 at 3:26 PM ^
Yeah. No. Dumb. Asshole. Fired. Please.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:26 PM ^
Terrible calls, but, it is nice to Cope by repeating the fact that we're 7-2 with three winnable games coming up.
But still, those were some terrible calls.
November 5th, 2011 at 4:00 PM ^
You keep using this word, "winnable," I do not think it means what you think it means.
November 5th, 2011 at 5:11 PM ^
INCONCEIVABLE
November 5th, 2011 at 6:54 PM ^
Co-sign Illinois gets absurdly hyped up for us and the games at home=loss
<br>Nebraska and OSU have DC's that can watch film and see how 4-3 cover 2 makes the offense useless= those games are also losses. 7-5 and a shitty bowl opponent is now best case.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:26 PM ^
is possession in the end zone with a knee down NOT a touchdown?
November 5th, 2011 at 5:30 PM ^
11/5/11. Never forget.
November 5th, 2011 at 5:37 PM ^
and you lose control of the ball before you complete the reception, and that means controlling the ball through your impact with the ground.
There have been no end of notable plays this year featuring this rule. In the NFL they practically make you stand back up with the ball still in your hands.
The issue on the catch was whether or not the ball moved at all when Roundtree hit the ground. If it was absolutely rock solid in his hands it's a catch; the slightest bobble or motion makes it incomplete. You can argue it either way on the video evidence, but it was not already a TD when his knee hit the ground.
November 5th, 2011 at 6:14 PM ^
One of us has dyslexia...because I am pretty sure that was Hemingway.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:26 PM ^
Time to start on my second six pack...
November 5th, 2011 at 3:26 PM ^
First, dealing with the fact that we did get outplayed, but kudos to the defense for at least keeping it within reach. I'll take that loss over some losses in previous years, but alas, losing still blows.
When I am done with that, beer.....maybe pizza if I feel like eating.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:27 PM ^
person who comes up with a gameplan that pretty much makes Denard useless.
Also f*ck BigTen replay.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:48 PM ^
At least we're not Wisconsin?
November 5th, 2011 at 3:28 PM ^
I am blaming it on the refs. Clear visual evidence showed Hemingway had possession of the ball and his knee was down. It's OBVIOUS. And then the no-call on Roundtree, again, OBVIOUS. Do we get the two-point conversion if we score? We don't know that, but the chance was taken out of their hands by the refs. It's very disappointing.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:28 PM ^
I am so enraged. I hate everyone. The fact that Sparty will probably crap the bed next week against Iowa is of exactly no consolation at all.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:28 PM ^
I can't believe I am saying that about a 7-1 team poised for a shot at the division title against a team that couldn't get past Minnesota. I just ran out of booze too.
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November 5th, 2011 at 3:41 PM ^
why was this thread made by a guy that roots for Ohio State? Nothing against the OP, but this seems like s/he's collecting schadenfreude from MGoBlog.