Coach Hoke's Final Top 25 Ballot

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1.LSU
2. Alabama
3. Oklahoma State
4. Oregon
5. Stanford
6. Boise State
7. Arkansas
8. Wisconsin
9. South Carolina
10. Kansas State
11. Michigan
12. Virginia Tech
13. Michigan State
14. TCU
15. Baylor
16. Georgia
17. Clemson
18. Nebraska
19. Oklahoma
20. Penn State
21. Southern Mississippi
22. Houston
23. West Virginia
24. Florida State
25. Cincinnati

For those curious, Mark Dantonio has Michigan State No. 12 and Michigan No. 13. And Virginia Tech coach Frank Beamer had the Wolverines at No. 14.

Also interesting, LSU coach Les Miles was one of three coaches to have Michigan at No. 8 in his final poll -- joining Air Force's Troy Calhoun and Fresno State's Pat Hill. Wake Forest's Jim Grobe and San Diego State's Rocky Long had Michigan at its lowest position, No. 18. 

Very weird/bitter Long would put Hoke at 18 after losing to the Wolverines and working for/with Coach Hoke and Borges.

Ali G Bomaye

December 5th, 2011 at 12:29 PM ^

I would bet they assign the ballots at the beginning of the year for the entire season.  Keeping up with head coach firings and hirings, especially in these final few weeks of the year, could be a nightmare for the polls.  For example, Illinois hasn't hired anyone yet - who would you give the ballot to?

Firstbase

December 5th, 2011 at 9:24 AM ^

That Flash file of all the coaches votes is really fascinating. It's interesting to see the wide deviations on some schools -- M included -- vis-a-vis others.

 

Space Coyote

December 5th, 2011 at 12:12 PM ^

From my brother who went to MSU, what essentially happened is Saban wanted a raise (he wasn't making bank at MSU, probably around league average but was on the cusp of making MSU a consistent top 25 team and competing for Big 10 titles) for him and his assistants and the president or administration said "no football coach will ever make more money than the school president."

What happened is what unfortunetly would probably happen at most universities with the way things seem to work: Saban left for LSU and a raise, the administration probably gave the president a nice raise and then raised tuition while cutting faculty and then hired a new coach for less money.  Now, after a decade of crapping the bed, they have Dantonio, who has gained some respect for MSU on the football field and probably still isn't making more money than the president because they probably gave the president another raise while raising tuition for students and cutting faculty and other things to help pay for it. the president and stand by the claim that "no football coach will ever make more money than the school president."

APBlue

December 5th, 2011 at 9:38 AM ^

It is too bad that he got fired.  I always appreciated his "anyone, anytime, anyplace" motto.  He really seemed to have nice momentum built up there for a while, but then it seemed like he lost it.  I'm not sure if it was a result of BSU's progress, or what.  I'm curious to see where he winds up.  

justingoblue

December 5th, 2011 at 10:02 AM ^

Rocky Long is an idiot though. Boise at four? TCU at eleven? MSU at twelve? Georgia at fifteen? Southern Miss and Houston both ahead of us?

Maybe if we had beat his ass by four touchdowns instead of three he'd be convinced we're better.

kvnryn

December 5th, 2011 at 9:52 AM ^

Larry Fedora('s SID) ranked VT 9th and Clemson 22nd.

Tom O'Brien('s SID) ranked Georgia 7th. Had to go somewhere midway through the second quarter of the SECCG?

 

Tshimanga Cowabunga

December 5th, 2011 at 9:54 AM ^

Art Briles may have the wackiest thing on his ballot and is definitely the biggest homer. Michigan at 11 and Wisconsin at 16! MSU is at 21 on his ballot. His Big 12 rankings Oklahoma St 2, Kansas State 6, Baylor 12, and Oklahoma 14! Guess he had to justify his losses

Logan88

December 5th, 2011 at 10:03 AM ^

Seeing Kansas St. rated so highly (by many media members/coaches) is absolutley mind boggling. KSU has 10 wins this season and 8 (!) of them are by a TD or less. KSU actually has a negative yardage margin this season (345 ypg offense vs. 400 ypg defense) and is only +5 in point margin (33 ppg offense vs. 28 ppg defense). KSU isn't good, they are just incredibly lucky.

96goblue00

December 5th, 2011 at 11:52 AM ^

I was a bit surprised. I mean, I really don't like MSU and their douche of a coach, but ....21? I think they are pretty good team. They barely lost to Wisconsin (by a field goal), a team they beat earlier in the season. My guess is that it has something to do with the second half of their schedule. They lost against Nebraska in a bad way (they scored only 3 points against the huskers) and had, sort of, some uninspiring wins against Minnesota (by a td), by two tds against Northwestern, and closed out with a loss in the conference championship.

 

 

Look Up_See Blue

December 5th, 2011 at 9:55 AM ^

I think the people that are upset about Michigan making a BCS Bowl need to look at some of the different polls and actually study them.  I can't tell you how many people I know that are bitching about how so and so go screwed this, and unfair that.  I think the nation got used to Michigan not being very good for three years and now they are just upset that Michigan is back to itself.  It's funny watching people when they are in a state of denial.

denardogasm

December 5th, 2011 at 9:56 AM ^

I just thought of something. Why is the Coach's poll used over the Media poll for the BCS? What are the coaches even basing their votes on?  Hoke has given me the impression that he doesn't have time to watch any games besides the teams he's playing and I'd assume it's the same for everyone else. Seems like the AP would be more informed.

Mr. Yost

December 5th, 2011 at 10:00 AM ^

I believe the AP Poll backed out or got kicked out because they crown their "own" national champion.

They don't have to vote the national champion #1. I may be completely off, but I think USC won the AP National Championship the year they beat us in the Rose Bowl ('06) and Florida won the BCS National Championship for beating Ohio.

QVIST

December 5th, 2011 at 10:29 AM ^

I disagree. I don't mind coaches voting but the system needs to be changed. I believe in the coaches ranking teams that they have played only. I can't remember who, but some columnist made a formula out of this idea and it made a lot of sense and took the guesswork out of it for busy coaches who don't have time to watch games. I'm not sure how to quantify it with every ranking together, but would look something like this for us:
1. MSU
2. Iowa
3. Ohio
4. ND
5. Nebraska
6. Northwestern
7. Illinois
8. Purdue
9. SDSU
10. WMU
11. Minn
12. EMU

Sure, teams could still be screwed over, but if it's all public knowledge anyway, what's the difference?

elaydin

December 5th, 2011 at 11:00 AM ^

I think that's the point.  Each coach would rank their opponents based on what they saw when they played them.  That's the best data point a coach can use.  The ranking above is based on how teams played against Michigan, so to me, it would make sense.

One the other hand, Iowa and OSU would get ranked lower by coaches that beat them.  In theory, it would balance out.