All of the Polls that are Not Coaches or AP Poll Thread

Submitted by alum96 on

Based on last week it looks like we are going to try to limit it to 3 threads a Sunday on this topic.  (well until playoff rankings are released)

  1. AP
  2. Coaches
  3. Every other damn one

So this can serve as #3.

UPDATED SUNDAY:

Sagarin #3: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

Massey #11: http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cf&sub=FBS

ESPN FPI #15: http://espn.go.com/college-football/statistics/teamratings

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Just wanted to note after a crazy top 10 last week where about half lost only 1 lost this week (Oklahoma) with Utah in a dog fight at home in the 4th.  Ironically Oklahoma was the #1 team in the Massey rankings which supposedly compiles all the other rankings together.

Based on general inertia of voters UM should move behind FSU (where NW was last week) which would be #12 this week with Oklahoma falling below UM.  Even if Utah ends up losing wouldn't make much sense to put them behind UM at this point based on head to head and beating weak ass Oregon so 12ish seems correct.  On UM's side is we were involved in the only game this week featuring 2 top 25 teams... a strange quirk.   But at 12 we'd be the 2nd highest 1 loss team in the country after Bama so that seems reasonable.

So an "inertia" top 15:

  1. OSU
  2. TCU
  3. Baylor
  4. MSU (haha)
  5. Utah pending win (if not drop to #11)
  6. Clemson
  7. LSU
  8. Bama
  9. A&M
  10. UF
  11. FSU
  12. UM
  13. Ole Miss
  14. ND
  15. Stanford

Goodbye - Oklahoma, NW.

If Cal upsets Utah then UM is prob #13 with Cal ahead of us.

Ok State, Iowa would be the 2 P5 unbeatens that voters could  move ahead of Stanford ND types but doubtful.  In theory MSU should drop but since they didnt lose tonight they might as well be ranked high even if a fraud so our win looks even better next week.

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Inuyesta

October 11th, 2015 at 2:04 AM ^

Agree, Baylor is the worst matchup for us. Really good passing spread would ask tough questions of our secondary, their QB is mobile enough to put pressure on our DL to keep contain, and Shock Linwood is no joke at RB, very tough to deal with him in any kind of open space, of which Baylor creates a lot. I think we could contain Baylor because this defense is filthy, but in the context of recent history "containing" Baylor means giving up 30 points. I don't have much confidence that our offense could keep up with them...unlike TCU, Baylor plays some D.

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M-Dog

October 11th, 2015 at 9:48 AM ^

If we play Baylor:  Rich People problems.

It means that Harbaugh delivered even beyond all the unreasonable hype, beat MSU and OSU, and won the B1G.  In his first season.  With a mediocre QB he borrowed for a year.

Our recruiting would be off the charts, enabling us to have a perennial shot at the Playoff.  

This may be the only year Baylor could beat us. 

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B1G_Fan

October 11th, 2015 at 2:24 AM ^

I'd rather face Baylor than, say Alabama. Yea Baylor has a great offense but, a very weak defense. Everyone who plays Baylor will score a ton of points, just like TCU. Michigan could control the ball with their offense limiting the number of possesions Baylor's offense has and we have a good enough defense to force a punt here and there. Alabama's front seven would be tough to run on I think and their offense can score. Their only loss took two miracles and more botched kicks than you normally see in an entire season... from multiple teams combined.

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ghostofhoke

October 11th, 2015 at 3:32 AM ^

And years of recruiting outstanding talent at every position. Getting the top 1,2, or 3 kid in the country at every position makes a huge difference. The talent gap is astounding. Their schedule is insane. Not taking anything away from the awesome football we've been playing but their week in, week out competition would drive us into the ground right now. I think we can play with any team in the country right now on a random Saturday but to out 5 or 6 weeks in a row like they see every year would not see us coming out 5-1, 6-0 like they do year in and year out. And that's before getting a week off (cupcake game) before the Iron Bowl, SEC Championship and potentially 2 playoff games to win the NC. That's absurd. Completely different level.



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Two Hearted Ale

October 11th, 2015 at 11:27 AM ^

Alabama's out of conference schedule is Wisconsin, Middle Tennessee, Louisiana-Monroe, and Charleston Southern which is on November 21. They don't play Florida. Their SEC opponents have two wins against Power Five™ conference teams (Auburn over Louisville and LSU over Syracuse). I have no doubt Alabama is a good team but its not because they play a super tough schedule. The SEC figured out how to game the system a long time ago, schedule one P5™ game and three tomato cans (including one at the end of the season when a loss would hurt more in the polls) then use the wins against tomato cans as evidence the conference is solid from top to bottom making a loss to say, Ole Miss look better than it probably is. The truth is we never really know how good SEC teams are because they don't play anyone until Bowl season. Last year the SEC was 2-5 against ranked teams in bowl games. The B1G was 4-2 and the PAC 12 was 5-2. In my opinion, the SEC was the third best conference last season (PAC 12 was best). If they'd have played a more difficult non-conference schedule it would have been apparent before January.

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LBSS

October 11th, 2015 at 4:54 AM ^

All of the remaining teams scare me. We should win every game left on the schedule except OSU, but shit happens and eight years of mouth punches have left me wary of any raised fist, even if that fist is being raised by an especially shrimpy eight-year-old (lookin' at you, Rutgers). 

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denardogasm

October 11th, 2015 at 1:37 AM ^

I think Utah, Clemson, and LSU will all jump MSU this week.  At least Utah and Clemson.  It might take a while for us to really push much farther past the 10-12 range because with one loss we're waiting on teams ahead of us to lose, which is inevitable.  Win out and we're golden.  Because of that I'm strangely apathetic towards the polls.  Also these polls don't matter.

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alum96

October 11th, 2015 at 1:48 AM ^

Win out and its moot, you'd have beaten two top 5 teams plus NW and gave Utah a decent game when UM was just getting started.

But since its a Mgoboard and we dont sit on hands for 7 more weeks we'll speculate.

Beating MSU if it happens - will be interesting to see how they position UM vs Bama in polls both with 1 loss.  Only drama short term.

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bluewave720

October 11th, 2015 at 9:21 AM ^

I think that is completely accurate and it blows my mind.  If Michigan were to win out, they would almost assuredly make the playoff.  Of course, that's always the goal.  But for this season, that was certainly not the expectation I had set.  It still isn't, but it's sure as hell fun to talk be able to legitimately discuss. 

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alum96

October 11th, 2015 at 1:55 AM ^

All the teams ahead of us in above ranking play each other by the way...except (drumroll) Utah.

  • OSU v MSU (v UM)
  • LSU v Bama v A&M
  • Baylor v TCU
  • Clemson v FSU
  • FSU v UF

Hell even behind us, ND v Stanford

 

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