Afternoon Open Thread
January 8th, 2011 at 12:17 PM ^
You asked the question. Just answerin'.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:14 PM ^
Why is it the two most likely coaches right now, are coaches that I would prefer we didn't hire. Miles is a douche bag and Hoke is so unknown that all I know about him is that he is fat, at least prior to a couple weeks ago anyway.
I would also like to take this time and say that I have lost all faith in DB. He fired his coach and it would appear that he didn't have a plan in place to replace him. No matter who he hires at this point I would say he fucked this up fantastically.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:16 PM ^
Miles is a douche bag, but I got over that after JH almost got hired.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:21 PM ^
Good to hear some one else thinks Harbaugh is on the douchey side. He bailed on his former school as well as his current team and QB. I wish him nothing but failure in the future. May our paths cross again when we are on our way up and he is on his way down.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:29 PM ^
While I never saw him as a panacea, unless he verbally "committed" mto Brandon, he did nothing wrong. And "bailing on his team"... Isn't that exactly what we will be asking someone to do?
January 8th, 2011 at 12:33 PM ^
Yes we will. Only I root for Michigan so that is OK. I know I am a hypocrite but what ever at this point. My problem with Harbaugh is he passed on Michigan knowing that this may be his only oppurtunity to ever coach at this University. So yeah that makes me say fuck him.
January 8th, 2011 at 1:07 PM ^
He bailed on a program. A school that gave him a scholarship, essentially as a favor to his father. He's dead to me. Death to the 49ers.
January 8th, 2011 at 1:36 PM ^
He doesn't owe us anything! The school gave him a scholarship so he could play 4 years of football. He gave four years of his life to play football at a great university. End of transaction
January 8th, 2011 at 12:32 PM ^
Bitter much? He moved on to a bigger opportunity in the pros. Maybe you're disappointed that he's not our coach, but have some class. "I wish him nothing but failure". Maybe you were in the "welcome home Harbaugh" camp to begin with, but wow. Maybe sit out a few plays
January 8th, 2011 at 12:36 PM ^
Nope, I was in the RR gets a fourth year camp. I know that statement is a bit harsh about Harbaugh, so let me rephrase it. When he loses I will not be upset.
January 8th, 2011 at 1:43 PM ^
Well, at the very least, he knew he was leaving his alma mater hanging. That's un-dude.
January 8th, 2011 at 1:56 PM ^
Brandon said himself that he didn't expect Harbaugh to come. The rest was pure speculation
January 8th, 2011 at 1:03 PM ^
So, did you also wish failure and ill will upon RR when he took the UM job three years ago? Just sayin'.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:21 PM ^
They are just the usual suspect names that keep popping up on the internet. Hopefully in the next day or two we see the plan (I can understand Brandon waiting until the dust has settled on the Harbaugh thing to announce/decide anything).
Hopefully my continued willingness to give DB the benefit of the doubt will be rewarded when Jon Gruden is putting on a martial arts demonstration at mid court during tomorrow's half time festivities at Crisler.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:26 PM ^
In my opinion DB is not what you should put your faith in, he has proved unworthy of that trust. Put your faith in the amount of money he has to offer a coach, which I am hoping off sets his ineptitude at this point.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:34 PM ^
Unworthy of trust?
The MGoHits keep on rolling today.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:15 PM ^
I blame the gator bowl
January 8th, 2011 at 12:32 PM ^
I know we got killed in the Gator Bowl and that this was supposedly the final nail in RR's coffin, but honestly, I don't understand why - it's not like the team became magically became more talented over the course of a month since the OSU game. Sure, RR made some coaching mistakes - but honestly, you could bring in Rex Ryan or Bill Belicheck and that defense would still have been a mess, because it's fundamentally an issue of starting young, inexperienced guys and walk-ons. Coaching was arguably not the main problem - talent was, and that's not an insult to our kids, just the recognition that many of them are extremely young and inexperienced.
Misissippi State is a very good football team that hung with the best of the SEC - why did anyone anticipate that we would be able to compete at that level when it's obvious that the talent differential between Michigan and the good Big Ten teams is huge, to say nothing of the SEC?
I think RR deserved another year, on the condition that there was a shakeup on defense. The great irony is that we fired a good coaching mind and will now probably end up with the pedestrian schemes of Brady Hoke.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:39 PM ^
Ifs and Buts. RR is gone and not coming back. I would've liked to see him another year, but it's fruitless to argue about it anymore
January 8th, 2011 at 12:39 PM ^
Michigan's offense, RR's supposed saving grace, never scored after the first quarter of the OSU game and the Gator Bowl. So suddenly the one thing keeping RR's job in tact, our awesome offense, had regressed massively. This after a month of practicing and preparing. And this is with a fully healthy offense in the Gator Bowl. It was the final straw for me, and I was a big RR supporter going into the bowl.
January 8th, 2011 at 1:20 PM ^
Yes. The really ironic thing was that the offense, relative to its early season production, regressed more than the defense did.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:57 PM ^
RR had a month to show what he could do against one team. His players would be playing for his job. What came of it? A 38-point loss, players tuning the coach out and parents of players complaining to Brandon about RR. That was it.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:25 PM ^
Honestly is there anyone on this board who really doesn't believe the next coach WON'T be Hoke? Honestly?
There is no other coach who is either more available, fits what Brandon wants, LOVES the university, understands the rivalries, and would literally eat the heads of our rivals.
I'm not saying he is the best coach, but what I am saying he is the best coach we can get currently and fits all of our needs (debatable how well but he DOES fit all of the needs outlined by Brandon).
I personally would love Patterson but that is a pipe dream. And for those who really think it will be Les Miles, we are talking about a university that still won't let Chris Webber on campus. We impose our own sanctions on football coaches who ask their players to excessively stretch. There is NO chance we will hire Les Miles. We are far too conservative to hire Les Miles.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:27 PM ^
We could get Dirk Koetter right now. We could probably get Jeff Tedford. There are loads of other guys we could get as well that just don't get mentioned. All of them are better coaches than Brady Hoke.
If Hoke is hired then Brandon is completely incompetent.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:45 PM ^
But I sure hope we exhaust all other options first. At the same time, we need to get someone in here and keep this team from falling apart. I would hate to think the last three years of suffering were for nothing.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:35 PM ^
Chris Webber is not allowed to associate with Michigan basketball, per the NCAA, until 2012. Not that he should ever be associated with Michigan basketball again anyway, but this particular instance is not at the University's behest.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:46 PM ^
Webber doesn't deserve to associate with Michigan basketball. He is a liar and a cheater (along with people like Steve Fisher) who disgraced the University of Michigan with their actions. Just like Reggie Bush at USC, they should be persona non grata indefinitely.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:59 PM ^
Unacceptable.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:42 PM ^
Your first sentence is a confusing double negative and doesn't make sense. If your trying to say that it will be Hoke then you should change your "doesn't" to a "does." Or change your "won't" to a "will".
January 8th, 2011 at 12:25 PM ^
Miles scares me. I thought there would never be anything that could make me give up my Michigan fandom. The Horror, 3-8, the endless winter of dong punches never made me stop wearing Maize and Blue.
Now an oversigning scumbag who lies to his players and cuts them with form letters. That would drive me away from the program. Come on DB, Hoke and losing with class is better than Miles and winning with a scumbag in charge.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:27 PM ^
This isn't overly dramatic at all.
January 8th, 2011 at 1:02 PM ^
Come fall, it'll be guys like CRex who will end up being Miles's biggest supporters. The emotional types swing from one extreme to the other.
January 8th, 2011 at 1:14 PM ^
Defending Rich, then turned on him completely after PSU.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:43 PM ^
and then we start winning and eventually he's not such a bad guy after all
January 8th, 2011 at 12:50 PM ^
Because he isn't Harbaugh, he's a bad guy.
Kind of the same way that because Brady Hoke isn't Harbaugh, he's the most inept rube to ever coach a football game.
There's going to be universal disdain around here no matter who Dave Brandon hires because it's already been decided that Dave Brandon is an aimless idiot, merely because Jim Harbaugh wanted to coach an NFL team in the Bay Area.
January 8th, 2011 at 1:01 PM ^
I think people are just freaking out because it looks like Brandon doesn't have a plan, in part because three days on the internet feels like 12 years (just think of how many places Harbaugh was or wasn't going to end up in just that short timeframe).
People don't think Hoke is a viable option because he's done nothing to prove he could be one of the top ten coaches in the country. That is who we should be going after and Hoke falls behind an enormous list of guys if we're looking at qualifications rather than borderline competence combined with a tenuous former association with the University.
Also, Harbaugh is an asshole because he acts like an asshole (going for two, kind of being a prick, having too much to drink and getting in the car). Miles is an asshole because he appears to operate his program without integrity or concern for his student athletes. On the character front I think Harbaugh has the edge until further notice when it comes to the question of "Who would I rather have as the face of the football program?"
January 8th, 2011 at 12:27 PM ^
I'm just throwing this out for more specualtion... haven't heard Mangini discussed. He's all NFL and doesn't have ties to Michigan... on the other hand, he's a great young defensive minded coach... if we're talking Gruden, why not throw Mangini into the mix.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:52 PM ^
I 'm all aboard the Gruden dicktrain. His interest in the Oregon OC position makes me think he could come here and start the "Third Coast Offense" with Denard. Sadly, this will probably not happen.
January 8th, 2011 at 1:29 PM ^
Why would we want a guy who has been fired twice since we made our last coaching hire?
January 8th, 2011 at 12:28 PM ^
I am just worried that the detroit media will have a field day with Miles. They'll agitate him until he says some crazy shit and then we'll become the coaching laughingstock of the league.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:37 PM ^
because we weren't already
January 8th, 2011 at 12:29 PM ^
If anyone around here remembers Goss, the halo, the Amaker hire, the red ink in the AD, they might be inclined to cut Martin some slack. Succession on the football staff was about the only thing he really blew, isn't it? OK, sure, that's probably the single biggest thing he could have blown but a lot of people around here thought a hiring like RR was exactly what we needed when going outside LC's staff was the only avenue. He sure as hell moved the AD forward onto better ground overall.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:32 PM ^
Goss set the bar awfully low.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:31 PM ^
I wonder why Mullen isn't talked about more as a candidate. I think he would be a good coach here. All he would need is to hire an old Michigan assistant or two and he would be accepted.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:32 PM ^
Gruden has always publicly squashed any rumors when his name comes up. ND and Miami come to mind. Anyone heard from Chuckie this past week?
I have to think To Many Miles and Old School Hoke are fallback options and DB is talking to some homeruns promising some serious money. If I were DB I would rather swing and miss with a huge name rather than second choices.
I realize everyone under the sun has been turning us down but the lack of other names out there actually gives me hope as backwards as that sounds.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:35 PM ^
anyone know what time they fire up that radio station in Baton Rouge again?
January 8th, 2011 at 12:37 PM ^
K.C. Keeler the more I think that he'd be a good fit for Michigan.
January 8th, 2011 at 12:46 PM ^
If DB just waited to break the news of the new coach right before the AA game (which is right now) and all the kids that were committing to other schools picked Michigan out of the BLUE. And, what coach would have that influence?
January 8th, 2011 at 12:48 PM ^
And he knows karate. Look out Tressel!
That or hire Rob Ryan. He will scare the kids into committing. Look out Tressel ('cause this time you might get stabbed)!