8 Spartans suspended

I will never doubt MadtownMaize again. He is a clairvoyant.

...MadtownMaize, is a fuckin' genius. Take notes boys.

This would be funnier if it wasn't Carr that recruited Smith.

After I met RR, my life just lost all sense of direction.

I wish I could +10 you!

that valenti didn't want winston back on the team that fast. but he can't be happy that 8 players just got nailed.

Indeed.

At first I was going to respond all defensively about your grammar correction, then I thought about fixing my mistake so people would wonder what your post was all about. ahh hell, I messed up. And yes it is pretty ironic that my post was about MSU students not being very smart, and instead nailed myself. What is really funny is in another post I looked up "prestigious" to make sure I spelled it right so I wouldn't look stupid. It's true, I'm not smart enough to be an U of M alum, but I am smart enough to be a fan. Go Blue!

but you're the one posting on a University of Michigan sports blog....

Rodriguez acted swiftly in the Feagin case.

There aren't any infractions, it is a witch hunt.

Would you have beat Michigan without Glenn Winston this year?

And what facts are you talking about? An angry gang of large men raged into a dorm room and beat the hell out of women and engineering students... er... women

The reason we are all bitching about Dantonio is because these players have been suspended and will probably be back just in time for the bowl game.

Actually, I wasnt even complainging about Dantonio. Or blaming him for anything.

Didnt even mention him in my post.

I was mocking Rosenberg. And, poking a little fun at you, my green and white friend, in the process. I mean, c'mon I was too busy at work to get in on the pile fest during the last thread.

Good luck against the Heels tonight.

That is all

that you castigate "strangers who cast judgment on a case where they don't know the facts..." just after you accuse Rich Rodriguez of covering up NCAA infractions and a Michigan football player of committing rape. Please enlighten me. You seem to have all the facts, Doctor Worm. I think what "rankles" us is the double-standard in the media. Rodriguez is lambasted in the press for overworking his players and recruiting young men with character issues. Explain to me how Winston does not have character issues or any of the thugs involved in this incident for that matter. And do you honestly think the Spartan football team doesn't exceed the 20 hour per week limit? Even if they do so voluntarily? And since nothing has emerged from that investigation, I'm suspending judgment. You should, too. We are angry because the aforementioned double-standard seems to exist as an accepted part of reality. Nonsense. I, for one, am glad Dantonio took prompt action and punished these players. On the other hand, I'm still peeved that Rodriguez has to be the whipping boy of the state because of Dantonio's saintly persona. It's bullshit.

You missed the point of the earlier post and it's continuing again.

Once again really slowly.

The problem is how ROSENBERG deals with each situation. Michigan guy is thrown off the team and it comes out that he ripped off a guy on a fake drug deal. The guy hadn't gotten in any real legal trouble before and his high school coach said he wasn't aware of anything. Rosenberg: RODRIGUEZ WIN AT ALL COSTS, SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. Michigan State guy is allowed to walk from jail to the practice field, and he's again busted for a second premeditated gang beating less than six months after leaving jail. Rosenberg: makes excuses for Dantonio and acts as if it's all no big deal.

The seeming attack on Dantonio is more about the freeps double standard than the coach. And, don't need to know all the facts to have an oppinion about players breaking into a building and beating up people.

I am no Dantonio hater. I respect him for being a solid guy, and probably a good coach. Kudos for him for suspending the players that made a poor decision.

But..... "the rape of an innocent woman by a Michigan football player" is a quote from you Dr. Worm. Then in the same post, you call others ridiculous for casting judgment when they do not know the facts.

So everyone, Dr. Worm is either:

A. The innocent girl that got raped by a Michigan player, because she would certainly know the facts.

B. The rapist Michigan player.

C. Full of shit and hypocritical for spouting his "ridiculous" mouth off when he is not certain of the "facts".

I think that before and after this thread, we pretty much all would bet the farm on C.

because he approved of the behavior by the way he handled he the fist Winston case. I'm not sure I have a RB so maybe I need to let him come straight from the jail cell to the practice field. Therefore, Dantonio is complacent in the second incident by not setting precedence the first time thug life took over in Spartyville.

there have been no further reports on the rape of an innocent woman by a Michigan football player,

Oh, you have details? You know for sure that a Michigan football player raped someone? Or did you hear the words "sexual assault", which you'd get charged with if you walked up to a stranger and slapped her on the ass, and just make shit up Sparty style?

I'll hand this to you: you're probably right about what it feels like to be an afterthought. Thirty years of experience will do that to you. You're a member of a fanbase whose bumper stickers all say Screw The Blue, Have You Kicked A Wolverine Today, Muck Fichigan, and Ann Arbor Was A Whore, and who think a Michigan loss is the same or better than an MSU win, and you're complaining about bitterness and jealousy. The delicious irony of it all.

But for strangers to cast judgment on a case where they don't know the facts is ridiculous.

Rodriguez is covering up NCAA infractions, there have been no further reports on the rape of an innocent woman by a Michigan football player

Kinda contradictory, no? You guys are fucking amazing, seriously, fucking amazing. You should all be ashamed, especially those of you who attempt to spin this.
How long is this suspension? I'm really curious, as I haven't yet seen anything definitive. If Dantonio suspends them into next season (at least a couple of games), that would be borderline acceptable. If it is just for your bowl game, it's bullshit.

Discipline is something that is not lacking in Ann Arbor in general. Feagin was dismissed immediately, and for-IME- a much lesser offense than what nearly 20% of your whole damn team just did; further, it seems to be a repetitive thing in EL. But yeah, it's probably RR's fault anyhow, somehow.

Seriously, just go away if you're not going to contribute anything meaningful here.

Rodriguez is covering up NCAA infractions, there have been no further reports on the rape of an innocent woman by a Michigan football player

I don't even know where to start with this one, so I won't.

God a hate Sparty.

You are extraordinarily dim, in the true senses of "extraordinarily" and "dim."

THIS IS NOT ABOUT DANTONIO. THIS IS ABOUT ROSENBERG AND THE DETROIT MSM.

I personally think Dantonio was a brilliant hire for MSU, I think he's a good football coach and a better politician (and I mean that in a good way).

The problem, from our (if there is an "our") perspective is NOT Dantonio. It is the lack of scrutiny of his program by the MSM compared to the Hubble-like scrutiny of RR and UM.

Yes, we are all jealous of the mob violence, burning couches and tear gas that MSU has to offer.

If you are going to mention "NCAA sanctions" please provide an argument instead of baseless hyperbole. Talk about not knowing the facts.

If you want to compare lists of crimes that players have committed, I think you will have to spot us a few, seeing as how you are about 10 up on us...

worm said:

"Villifying Dantonio when he punished the players involved is crazy. Dantonio is at fault because of what his players did, even when he meted out punishment? Is Rodriguez then at fault for all the crimes his players have ever committed? That's a pretty long list. Are you sure you want to apply this standard to coaches?"

No. Of course we do not want to apply this standard to coaches. But, unfortunately, the media has already applied this standard to RR. So what everybody here is doing is simply applying said standard to Dantonio. If you are going to crucify RR for having recruited a coke "dealer" then you should immolate Dantonio like a rum-soaked davenport for having recruited violent criminals.

1. Please explain what evidence there is that Rodriguez is covering up NCAA infractions. I will not rule out the possibility that they occurred (though I doubt that anything of substance did), but I will rule out the possibility that the Michigan compliance office would assist Rodriguez in doing so, as well as the possibility that between the compliance office and the outside firm that Mary Sue Coleman brought in will not find any existing major infractions. The only way that could happen is if there is a case of monumental incompetence or a vast conspiracy. It simply isn't feasible.

2. Regarding the alleged sexual assault (which, for the record, does not necessarily mean rape), if something serious happened, whoever did it should be kicked off the team. However, there hasn't even been a named player, meaning the investigation is ongoing and not necessarily clearcut. Should anything substantive turn up, I'm reasonably sure that Rodriguez will kick the said player off the team, using his reaction to the Feagin incident as a model.

3. We're complaining about Dantonio because his previous leniency with Winston is one of the reasons that a sizable number of MSU football players are largely undisciplined and thuggish off the field. This is the second consecutive year in which members of the MSU football team have been involved in a violent criminal act. The first time around, Dantonio gave Winston a three-game suspension during the season (conveniently inviting back for the Penn State game so that he could return kickoffs) and let him right back on the team after serving a six month prison sentence. This isn't exactly condoning violence, but it is far from being a severe deterrent. He let his players get out of line and the result was the Rather Hall incident.

4. We have never been, nor will we ever be jealous of MSU. First of all, at Michigan, we pride ourselves for academics in addition to athletics. Second of all, we have dominated you in football forever (series record is 67-30-5). We beat up on you for most of the decade too, so arguing that our winning record against you (like in basketball, which we don't really care that much about) isn't born of wins decades ago. Oh, and while I can't find the all-time record in hockey (you may lead this) we did sweep you 5-0 last season.

5. Coaches aren't necessarily responsible for first-time offenses on their team (though they are obviously responsible for punishing these). They are always, however, responsible for second-time offenses because second-time offenders are playing solely because of the coach's judgment of their character. Hence our problem with Dantonio letting Winston back on.

6. OK, generate the number of crimes that have occurred under Rodriguez and Dantonio. Then adjust for the length of time each coach has been in the league (you may want to weight more recent incidents higher to produce a picture of how a coach has been doing recently, although I doubt that you do considering the recent incident involving a minimum of ten football players last week). I'm willing to bet that with any legitimate system here, you'll find that there are more crimes going on under Dantonio, but I may be wrong. However, considering that Dantonio just got an additonal ten crimes last week, I think Rodriguez wins this one.

lacking, or in parlance you might understand, they sux.

The issue, as with in the other post you ranted on earlier, isn't necessarily about Dantonio and control of his program.

True, some posters have questioned his control of the program, which I think at this juncture is a legitimate question, but not the central theme of what people are discussing.

The issue that the majority of posters here are concerned with is the double standard that has been apparent in the media with regard to Dantonio and Rich Rodriguez.

Look at it this way, based on the following incidents, the media has raised questions about RR's character, his values, his ethics, his ability as a coach, etc. Seemingly they jump on anything and everything and portray it in the most negative manner possible.
-Feagin: booted from the team the moment his transgression was public, no ifs, ands, or buts. A non-violent, non-cocaine possessing charge that basically amounts to small-time fraud. Gone.
-Grady: a DUI, suspended for a time, re-instated, put in dog house and on watch. Again, a non-violent crime, although certainly the potential to do some damage, though luckily didn't. A good example of where a second chance was earned, though certainly sustaining damage to his career with lost time.
-Michigan football player attacks a michigan hockey player: violent crime, he is permanently removed from the team, subject to criminal penalties, no second chance.
-practice time overage: may or may not be an infraction, but media certainly reported in a manner that is not consistent with an unbiased viewpoint. Please see comments from Tressel, PAterno and MSU players themseleves about the amount of time normally dedicated to football in a normal week for clarification.
-anonymous M player accused of sexual assualt (not rape, there is a big difference). This is under investigation, you can be sure of two things.
1. if the charge has substance, you can be sure you will hear about it as it is under investigation and you can be sure that the media will provide you with every last detail and somehow impune RR's character as a result
2. if an M player is guilty, he is gone off the team for good. no questions asked.

Ok, now MSU:

-Winston: convicted of a violent assault that put an MSU hockey player in the hospital that was only a misdemeanor by virtue of the fact that he pleaded to the lesser charge. Vilone t crime that if it was as harmless as you seem to indicate, would not have received a 6 mos. sentence in the pokey. It was a serious crime. No on pretends the hockey player sat there and innocently begged winston to leave, but the fact reamins that he was sitting in his house, Winston and Co bust in and kick his ass. Did he try to defend himself? Likely, would't you? Winston SERVES A JAIL TERM, and is then back in a Spartan uniform days after his release with no further punishment. No suspension, no lost playing time...nothing. What message does that send to the other players? Tolerance. Acceptable.
-now this incident, which we are all aware of. You spent a long time in an earlier post today question everyone and calling them biased and denying the allegations, now you switch your tune once the facts are a bit more clear and more players are implicated.

The million dollar question now is why hasn't the press been on this and applied the same character assasination employed for RR?

I think now the media will be hard pressed to ignore this and the pass given Dantonio as some sort of saint will be revoked.

2 players kicked off, 8 suspended and 5 more under investigation, well....hard to ignore.

You had better hope the security tapes don't make it to TV, b/c that will set your program back a decade.

You call me obsessed but you troll our boards like anything you have to say is relevant. You are State, you're nothing, a nobody and the only relevance you've ever had is simply that you are defined by Michigan and, largely, by losing to Michigan.

Don't lecture me or the rest of the fanbase about how your "coach" lacks culpability for a legitimate assault.

A pathetic apologist. You are nothing more than that.