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Brian January 31st, 2024 at 2:05 PM

Michigan played Michigan State yesterday, and in the past this has been a spur to post some Content on the Internet. I have to confess that I am ill-placed to talk about this game, however. This is because I did not watch it. The fact that it was on Peacock, which I do not have, contributed to this decision. But I was in an airport on January 7th, saw that Michigan was up ten against Penn State, put it on my phone, saw Penn State go on a 7-0 run out of halftime and said "welp, that's enough for me."

Penn State would go on to win that game by six; Michigan won one game in January. The football team won two.

At the moment I'm not particularly interested in angst about anything. I am still randomly remembering that Michigan won the national championship and going "aw, cool!" So I haven't had a whole lot to say about Harbaugh leaving, or taking Herbert with him, or concerns about this and that for 2024. That's Sherrone Moore's job. My job as a fan is to wave a little flag that says "2024 National Champs" until… uh… August? February 2025? I don't know.

One consequence of this is that I have barely paid attention to the basketball team once it was clear they were very, very bad. I'd seen enough through December to know that observing this team play was not going to be good for the whole, like, you know, vibe, man. I'm in a vibes-based economy currently.

BUT!

I think a couple things have become clear and will now state them on the internet.

[After THE JUMP: the suspsense is killing you]

Juwan Howard ain't getting out of this pit. Warde Manuel famously made a previous decision not to fire a guy that worked out fairly well, and recently provided the Vote Of Confidence to Juwan Howard. Sort of, at least?

“I have not spent one moment thinking about anything but supporting Juwan and this team,” he said. “I haven’t thought about the evaluation of the season. All that stuff comes at the end of the season. I’ve done it in my career but it is extremely rare for me to make a decision in the middle of the season. Something has really got to be off.

“I haven’t thought about it, I haven’t talked to him about it, we haven’t had that conversation. All that happens and will happen at the end of the season. My focus with Juwan and each of our teams is to support them to have success.”

Unfortunately for Michigan and Juwan Howard, these situations are not at all similar. Harbaugh inherited a Brady Hoke roster that he immediately improved. He narrowly missed a couple of wins over Ohio State before a disappointing few years with QB injuries and a COVID 2020 that was, in retrospect, not real. He was already a proven winner at Stanford and the 49ers.

Howard inherited a John Beilein roster. He went 19-12 in the COVID year (Kenpom projected them as a 6-seed, FWIW) and his one-seed the following year featured Franz Wagner (who technically committed to Howard but was recruited by Beilein and his brother), Isaiah Livers, and Eli Brooks in starting roles. Since then it's been an arrow straight down.

There are a three things that might mitigate this situation. They are Terrance Shannon, Caleb Love, and heart surgery.

I find all of these unconvincing when Michigan is 188th in defensive efficiency in year five. Tarris Reed replaced Hunter Dickinson in the starting lineup. Michigan imported two key contributors from last year's #1 and #3 teams in defensive efficiency and they are now one spot ahead of… yup… Long Beach State. I don't think you can be that bad at defense and also be a competent head coach. John Beilein, who notoriously did not coach defense never finished worse than 129, and that was his first year. His worst D other than that was 100th in 2015.

It's year five. Howard's miserable roster construction—there are two guards and one center on the roster—is all on him at this point. Yes, it is very frustrating that guys like Love, Shannon, and Papa Kante never actually arrived on campus. But it is the job of the head coach to understand the environment he is operating in.

Speaking of the environment: in the context of the #188 defense it's impossible not to think Jon Sanderson is right when he thinks Michigan's culture sucks. It has to suck. If the culture did not suck they would be 100th in defense or something.

I've been wrong about firing guys before, of course. This one feels extremely far gone. Michigan football had a 8-5, 10-3, 9-4 run where they never dropped below 12th in SP+. That is miles away from basketball being dead last in the Big Ten with a 7-14 record while playing five seniors and three sophomores.

Michigan needs to get serious about what college athletics is these days. Two years ago I said that it would be a massive failure if Hunter Dickinson could make more money playing basketball somewhere other than Michigan, and he duly returned for his junior year. Last offseason, he found out that he could make lots more money playing basketball somewhere other than Michigan.

I've generally refrained from laying Harbaugh's departure at Manuel's feet. Dickinson is all him, though. Warde Manuel's Queensbury rules approach to NIL

"We don’t own any players. We don’t buy them, but we do provide resources for our student-athletes. They have my full support and I love NIL and what it does for our student-athletes. But I don’t want us talking about what we have to buy student-athletes and inducing student-athletes. We need to talk about what we can provide, short and long-term, for the rest of their life. For me, NIL is about teaching kids how to use who they are for the rest of their lives.

“For me, it’s not a transactional thing. It’s a life commitment between Michigan and our student-athletes. And the short term is that they get some resources provided to them. The long term is that they can make money over their lifetime because of Michigan and what we teach and experience with being a student-athlete.”

…is stunningly naive, and Hunter Dickinson in a Kansas uniform is proof positive. I imagine that the transfer issues are above Manuel's head, but if he doesn't understand the new reality that college football and basketball are professional sports then Michigan isn't going to be a major factor in basketball unless they hit on another genius like John Beilein.

This is going to get worse and worse until someone finally admits it. The attorney general of Tennessee just filed an antitrust lawsuit against the NCAA because Tennessee got donked for some NIL violations. When they NCAA loses that case, because they always lose every case, the fig leaf that NIL can't be used for recruiting inducements will be gone and we will be in a full-on, no holds barred employment era. (I almost used the words "pay-for-play" but stopped myself because you would not use the words "pay-for-work" in a pejorative fashion.)

If Warde Manuel isn't preparing for this he should be fired. If Warde Manuel thinks this would be bad, he should be fired. It is sort of unbelievable that Michigan has a black former athlete as their athletic director and he is still saying stupid garbage that Dave Brandon would have said.

Maybe he is doing this. A lot of college administrator types spend their careers defending indefensible things and then transition as if they'd never said anything at all. Bill Hancock famously asserted that a playoff would crush college football and then was the spokesman for the literal playoff. Maybe Manuel is really prepared for what's to come behind the scenes. I doubt it, though. Manuel stumbled onto the only standout decision of his Michigan tenure by declining to act, and it seems like that's his go-to move in all things.

Comments

Papochronopolis

January 31st, 2024 at 5:10 PM ^

Thanks Brian agree on all fronts. God I miss Belein.

 

hoping Jordan Acker and other regents read this and pressure Warde as mediocrity sucks vs. the standout teams we have had in football/basketball over the past 10 years

alum96

January 31st, 2024 at 8:37 PM ^

JB like Jay Wright want nothing to do with this current era. 

Any player who is good leaves in 1 year. Any player who is decent but not NBA level you have to rerecruit AND PAY. All other players you have to pay just to stick around.  You have to wax the parents, player, and player representative to stay.  If you try to develop a player they will cry and go to another college where the coach doesnt try to develop them and tell them they are Jordan or Lebron. It's just minor league basketball at this point.

Look at our roster next year - we have mercenaries leaving, we have a few non NBA guys, and a bad class aside 1 guy.  Who won't develop.  Its OSU football but without you know talent.  Its a collection of misfit toys and will continue to be.  No rhyme or reason.  Ellerbe is laughing at this.  And Warde will extend Howard to give him a "real chance" 

michgoblue

January 31st, 2024 at 11:36 PM ^

Disagree. The things that Juwan seems to be bad at are things that are not w turkey talent based. Locker room culture, defense, huddle, defensive rebounding, roster construction, etc.  The team is just completely lost. In every facet of the game. And we have a number of senior starters. Unfortunately, it seems that Juwan is just not a good college coach. 

nowicki2005

February 1st, 2024 at 6:28 AM ^

JB is a much better college coachthan Howard, BUT he would not be doing any better at Michigan right now. He would get his lower rated recruits, he would develop them, they would get pretty good, have no real NBA shot but would get offered a pretty nice sum of money to play somewhere else and take it. This would leave Michigan with a limited roster of kids who aren't ready. I think JB would struggle in this era.

 

Howard is like Penny Hardaway. Not really a great coach but can recruit. Penny just has a checkbook and Howard doesn't. Makes Howard pretty mich useless as that would probably be his best asset.

 

Also, it kind of marks the end of the Fab 5. They were kind of fully accepted back, even had some mini reunions. IF Howard is fired, In sure Jalen will scorn the university, Howardwill be pretty mad, CWebb never really cared anyway. They will all kind of just be truly forgotten along with Michigan basketball in general for as long as NIL is similar to its current state

PeteM

February 1st, 2024 at 8:07 AM ^

The idea that Beilein only recruited "lower ranked" guys is a myth. Yes, he found guys like Burke and Hardaway (and later DJ Wilson) who went from 3 stars to stars.  He also got a few 5 stars like McGary and Irvin (and believe it or not Kam Chapman), and near 5 stars like GRIII.  Once he got going nearly every class has a couple of 4 stars ranked in the top 100. He wasn't getting Kentucky or Duke classes, but was often top ten in the country and even his weaker classes were usually in the top 3 in the Big Ten. My point is that Beilein's entire approach wasn't finding obscure guys ranked 250 in the country, and developing them.

LabattsBleu

January 31st, 2024 at 5:18 PM ^

Someone had to say it.

I loved the Juwan hire and defended him last year, but this group of players in NOT a team. This group of individuals seemingly don't have any kind of culture at all, much less winning culture.

A average level of defense is about commitment and effort, it isn't about being a blue chip bucket getter. A team's defensive capacity is often a sign of a team that is connected as a single unit, playing for one another.

I am not sure what happened between early Juwan and current Juwan...maybe it was losing a guy like Eli, who was a "culture" guy.

Not sure what is going on, but something happened, imo, that has caused a rift in the program. And as they say, A house divided against itself cannot stand.

that's where the BBall program is right now.

BlueRy

January 31st, 2024 at 6:25 PM ^

+1 to your point about commitment and effort. We can shoot in the gym all night and never have an elite shot (though it can certainly improve). Elite offensive players often have a natural gift. However, defense is largely about effort, buy-in and giving a damn about your teammates. The latter two (maybe even all three) are lacking with this team. And those are coaching issues.

rice4114

January 31st, 2024 at 7:52 PM ^

Reed, Howard, and Cheddar scored exactly 5 combined points in 60 combined minutes.

That is 5 points in 30% of the available minutes. 

This is a disaster of a roster. Reed should be 8 minutes off the bench and Cheddar/Howard should be bench mob minutes. 

Ill be the first to admit Howard has had some shit luck but that doesnt last for 3 seasons. And yes I am including next season. There is almost zero chance this coach has a better roster next year.

alum96

January 31st, 2024 at 8:48 PM ^

But 80% of third board said Reed with no skill at all and a poor man Dennis Rodman whose entire game is garbage rebounds would be 3x better than Hunter all summer. And after 3 games in Nov, Dug was going to "the league" despite not being able to defend an 11th grader.  A lot of enablers on this board who won't show their hands now.

Johnny Blood

January 31st, 2024 at 5:21 PM ^

I'm usually not one to advocate for someone losing their job, but with Warde I just think he is way in over his head and not capable of running a topflight athletic program in the changing landscape.

Hensons Mobile…

January 31st, 2024 at 5:22 PM ^

1) Thought it was  funny that this started as a state of the bball team post and then morphed into a Warde/NIL rant. Although I concede the two are related.

2) 

It is sort of unbelievable that Michigan has a black former athlete as their athletic director and he is still saying stupid garbage that Dave Brandon would have said.

It's interesting to think about how Dave Brandon would have handled the NIL era. On the one hand, he absolutely would have been happy to talk about Michigan exceptionalism and would have been loathe to have boosters contribute to anything that wasn't his own pet projects within the department.

On the other hand, Brandon was liked by student athletes because he was fully in their corner. At least that's how I remember it. I think Brandon might have made it a mission to have the best NIL, not only as a benefit to the players, but to feed his ego. I think we may have had Brandon at the wrong time.

kejamder

January 31st, 2024 at 6:48 PM ^

I think you're missing the point, which is that CFB is generally run by old (white) men in various positions, many of whom never played college football, so it's ironic(? counterintuitive?) to be one institution with an AD who can relate better than most to what many (most) of today's players are experiencing, and yet... nope.

Honker Burger

January 31st, 2024 at 5:22 PM ^

My two biggest issues are 1) roster management and 2) team defense (effort). Both of those fall squarely on the man in charge of the program.

Offense is not the problem, and has never been the problem under Juwan, even with a less than stellar roster makeup. Our shooting has gotten worse consistently, but it's not like we don't get good looks. I actually think he is a plus coach on that side of the ball.

DiploMan

January 31st, 2024 at 11:17 PM ^

I agree with this take.  It was not at all long ago that Juwan was being praised up and down -- by this blog and elsewhere -- for his tactical acumen.  Just do a cursory archive search for the numerous MattEM articles analyzing the high-end offensive sets Juwan was running.

There's definitely something wrong in the program, and it may be true a change at the top is the only thing that can right the ship.  But it doesn't seem plausible to imply that Juwan somehow forgot how to coach.

ERdocLSA2004

January 31st, 2024 at 5:23 PM ^

Went from talking about Howard to “blame Warde” quickly.  0% chance Howard gets fired before the season is over.  I could see him resigning though.
 

Also, screw Dickinson.  He’s a douchebag who is lazy and takes plays off.  I’m glad we didn’t give him a single dollar to stay.

So I haven't had a whole lot to say about Harbaugh leaving, or taking Herbert with him, or concerns about this and that for 2024. That's Sherrone Moore's job.

But, I mean, isn’t that your favorite hobby?  I know I’ve missed reading your takes on these things.

Hensons Mobile…

January 31st, 2024 at 6:05 PM ^

I think lots of people on the board believe he should be fired ASAP mid-season. I agree that's a silly expectation, though.

But thank you, you reminded me of my other comment I meant to make. I'm surprised Brian views Warde's statements as a vote of confidence, even if he conceded it's a "sort of" vote of confidence.

In effect, Warde is saying he will do an evaluation at the end of the season. That's exactly what Dave Brandon said about RichRod before he canned his ass. Brandon was insistent that he does all evaluations for all sports at the end of the year.

And then just to prove how much of a lie that was, he gave Beilein an extension in the middle of the season.

I'm not saying what Warde will do, but if you are going to read anything into those statements, it's not great for Juwan. A non-committal vote of confidence is, "He's our coach and he's doing a good job."

Ernis

January 31st, 2024 at 9:11 PM ^

Right, it’s basically saying “he hasn’t done anything so bad to get fired prematurely”

Which, given his prior success here, is fair. He won the B1G regular season. He has led some decent runs in the big dance. It seems different because the overall trend has been downward plus how appallingly unwatchable this year’s team is, but just looking at measurable success each year, he’s got significant stuff to point to. 

And, I wouldn’t discount the potential impact him almost dying could have on the team. It’s a pretty big deal. Nonetheless, the composition and performance of this team just doesn’t give the impression that the future will be brighter. It’s a tough spot for JH and WM to be in. I envy neither of them.

willirwin1778

January 31st, 2024 at 5:33 PM ^

A couple thoughts.  

First of all the author has been dead wrong about firing coaches in the past, Harbaugh for example.  That being said, it is pretty clear that this is more or less "rock bottom" for the basketball team and a time to rebuild and improve moving forward.

A couple thoughts:

1.  Juwan is a Michigan Alum

2.  His resume leading him to Michigan was really strong and his connections throughout the NBA are significant.  

3.  His top recruits didn't really produce numbers in college yet were still draftable based on measureables and such, and immediately jumped into the draft.  Did he just get really unlucky?  Because their minutes and lack of production is what more or less led us into this situation.  

4.  College basketball has changed significantly since Beilein left. The NIL, Portal and Draft have completely altered the landscape and it seems like a lot of the classic programs have been having inconsistent results navigating how to win in the current environment.  Just look at the top 25.  Half the teams aren't really household name basketball programs and the BIG is practically absent from the top 25.  

If Juwan can add +6 wins next year, I would be inclined to think we are heading in the right direction.  It isn't going to happen overnight, but I am willing to give him a chance to rebuild and find a system that works in the modern college basketball environment.  

 

 

willirwin1778

January 31st, 2024 at 5:54 PM ^

Regarding his redeeming qualities, I don't know him, but his tenure in the NBA and league referrals would tell me that he has a lot to offer.  

Regarding NIL, and I am not saying it doesn't have a role.  But we could have NIL'd Houstan, Diabate and Jett to the moon and we would still be standing in the exact same spot we are today. 

We need a system and player development and NIL working towards a long term goal.  We can't drop money on a five star someone who is going to eat up all the minutes, lay bricks and then immediately jump to the draft leaving a player void in his wake.      

jmblue

January 31st, 2024 at 6:49 PM ^

his tenure in the NBA and league referrals would tell me that he has a lot to offer

This hints at the problem here.  All of his connections were in the NBA.  He had been completely outside of college basketball for a quarter-century, since he last played.   In hindsight this should have been a red flag.

rc90

January 31st, 2024 at 6:13 PM ^

If you believe rebuilds can happen quickly in CBB (I do), what is the advantage to tying a rebuild to Juwan compared to any other coach?

Well, Juwan was quite literally a key part of Michigan's basketball's greatest quick rebuild. That might be the greatest quick rebuild in the last 50 years of college basketball. As Brian is saying, that's going to require piles of money much more than some poetic language about culture, but based on his personal experience, Howard likely has some grasp of how that kind of program would be administered.

It's harder to see Manuel, or any other Bo descendant from the 1980s, embracing a basketball program that throws around money the way Michigan was seen to be doing back during the Frieder and Fisher years though.

A Lot of Milk

January 31st, 2024 at 6:08 PM ^

This is not rock bottom. This is an experience-heavy team bolstered by transfers from successful power 6 programs. We’ll hit rock bottom when those types of players realize that playing at Michigan is a worse move than riding the bench or being a star on a mid major. This program still has lots of talent it can feasibly downgrade from and I fully expect that to happen. Tschetter and Reed are the players I expect to return and maybe not even them

gbdub

January 31st, 2024 at 6:45 PM ^

Harbaugh was literally the only one he was wrong about, and that was hardly a screaming hot take at the time. 

Plus I don’t know how much credit Warde should really get for not firing him - I got the impression Michigan basically couldn’t afford his buyout in the COVID year, so the “pay cut” contract was basically a “welp, if some NFL team wants to take you off my hands, more the better” compromise.