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Brian August 14th, 2019 at 10:00 AM

Biaka… that guy. I never knew how much I needed Lou Holtz trying to pronounce "Biakabutuka" in my life:

IMPORTANT IMPORTANT. It's important to economize your words.

Alas, this appears to be a typo; for the rest of the article the coach is referred to as "Bellers." I apologize for ruining everything.

[After THE JUMP: it's not a new logo, it's just a different branding device]

Coach fight! I want Gattis to be the handshake guy against Maryland. Gattis:

"Mike Locksley can say I watched him call every play, but ask him where the game plans usually came from?" he told reporters earlier this week.

Locksley!

"He knows the truth and as I’ve said before, there’s a difference between suggestions and decisions," he said. "And I’m sure that notebook he has upstairs has a lot of suggestions in them and hopefully he’ll utilize them in the right way and make good decisions like I did for Alabama.

The only way this can be resolved is Stone Cold Stunners at ten paces.

Franz scouting. Wagner played for Germany in the U18 Euros; from what I saw it was a frustrating tournament. Wagner fouled out fairly inexplicably in the first game and ended up not getting a couple of really obvious calls, then a minor back issue saw him miss another chunk of time. He may have had the tournament's best posterization, which leads this highlight reel…

…and still projects as a major contributor this season. But one and done talk seems like it's premature. Draft Express:

Wagner has excellent size for a wing at 6-8 with decent length and a frame that is on the narrow side and will certainly need time to fill out. …aggressive in the open floor, highly creative with the way he finishes around the basket. He shows potential attacking closeouts for pull-up jumpers or even stepbacks from beyond the arc. He's also a team player with a mature approach to the game on both ends…

His lack of strength, average athleticism and overall inconsistent play led most scouts in Volos to surmise that Wagner will need a few years of seasoning at Michigan.

Bad news for next year; good news for the year or two after that. I'm not concerned that his shot wasn't falling since that's a small sample size and he's got plenty of evidence that he's an excellent shooter. His team was not well-structured to take advantage of his assets; it was a lot of head-down driving and very little action that allowed Wagner to either shoot or attack a closeout.

RIP Joe Tiller. Every year the anonymous quotes get more and more anodyne. Why is this anonymous?

"Defensively, they're tough. Absolutely one of the best and meanest defenses in college football. There's enough skill and enough buy-in where they can do a lot of different things. If you don't have athleticism they're going to wear you out. They're high pressure, lots of blitz and play man coverage almost all the time."

That barely qualifies as an opinion.

why did I even link this article it's so boring

The Celestial Empire. The money has to go somewhere. Increasingly it goes to coaches and peripheral folks:

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Is this out of control? Survey says…

Yes. Yep. Yeppers. Most definitely. Si.

Note that much of the scholarship spending is fake—many scholarship athletes would not be paying full freight if they were civilians—or soft. It doesn't actually cost Michigan 45k to put a student in an already-extant classroom and have them use already-extant facilities.

Also in pay the players already, the number of schools spending 100 million annually went from 4 to 37 over the last ten years.

Hopefully this is wrong? We've been operating under the assumption that Michigan players who played a couple of games their freshman year but did not play after that 78-0 Rutgers game would get their years back, because surely Michigan wasn't foolish enough to blow redshirts for mop-up duty against the Cable Subscribers. But Carlo Kemp seems to believe this is it for him:

“You don’t get these opportunities back,” Kemp told reporters on Friday. "Today’s practice I won’t ever get back. I don’t get a camp next year. This day I won’t have next year. Whatever camp day it is — Camp 10 — I won’t get a Camp 10 next year.

“It’s just trying to realize that I won’t get these opportunities anymore, so every single time you go out there they really matter.”

Kemp played in two games as a freshman, the last in that Rutgers game. It's going to be extremely dumb to not get a fifth year out of him if that is indeed the case here.

Never settle. Former MSU recruiting staffer Curtis Blackwell is suing the school, claiming he was unfairly terminated:

Curtis Blackwell, Michigan State's former director of college advancement and performance, is suing head coach Mark Dantonio, former president Lou Anna K. Simon, former athletic director Mark Hollis and two members of the Michigan State University Police Department in federal court. …

If the parties don't come to a resolution on the case, things could get significantly ugly and out in the open — with Warnicke saying a second suit, alleging racial discrimination, will be filed in Ingham County Circuit Court in mid-Michigan. Warnicke attempted in February to add an amendment to the original case, to add racial discrimination, but the motion was denied by a federal judge, who said that complaint must be filed in state court, not federal court, because it invokes the state's Elliott-Larsen Civil Rights Act.

I assume this will settle because MSU has no compunction about coughing up six or seven digits if it gets to keep the doors closed and the internal workings of a university that harbored the worst sexual assault offender in NCAA history from the public. But let's hope this thing goes the distance anyway.

It's probably not a coincidence that as this goes on MSU is taking what has to be their worst-ever whomping instate. MSU has commitments from the #17, 21, and 23 players in the state and has no shot at the three uncommitted guys ranked in P5 territory. It's unclear if the Blackwell issue is MSU's problem or if it's more the fact that Dantonio pulled the Brady Hoke Memorial Titanic Deck Chair Shuffling this offseason… or it's both.

Hello, various Pehrsons. Hockey announced their incoming class and it's pretty much as expected:

  • Forwards: Johnny Beecher, Eric Ciccolini, Emil Ohrvall, Nick Granowicz, Jacob Hayhurst (grad transfer)
  • Defensemen: Cam York, Keaton Pehrson, Shane Switzer (grad transfer)

Beecher and York went in the first round of the mot recent draft; Ciccolini went in the seventh; everyone else is old. No middle ground here. Ohrvall, Granowicz, and Pehrson are all out of junior eligibility.

That means six potential 2019 recruits will defer to 2020, which is still a clown car despite some additional defections.

Also, Weisman's replacement:

Seems like a good choice. Providence has been a successful program in the Everyone Is 23 era.

The worst! There are organizations worse than the NCAA. Many of them are state high school versions of same. The MHSAA's latest absurdity:

The MHSAA ruled that Walled Lake Western 2020 WR Abdur-Rahmaan Yaseen who has been committed to Northwestern University ineligible for the 2019 football season.

The MHSAA determined that since Yaseen was taking high school level classes as a homeschooled 8th grader that he only needs credits for 3 classes to be graduated from high school right now, thus making him ineligible.

Yaseen is 17, the exact age he should be to be a high school senior.

Etc.: Devin Bush doing Devin Bush things. Official site talks Beecher/York. Don't click here. Steele ranks M's schedule the ninth-hardest in CFB. No standardized injury reports this year.

Comments

DCGrad

August 14th, 2019 at 10:17 AM ^

Because the Rutgers game was away, there were probably limited substitution options. I think Mike Onwenu even played some D-Line in that game. 

Shop Smart Sho…

August 14th, 2019 at 10:18 AM ^

For those of us who don't have perfect recall of the timing of rule changes about eligibility in conjunction with the Rutgers game, would someone care to explain the Kemp thing and who else it might impact?

joeyb

August 14th, 2019 at 10:33 AM ^

The rule, at the time, was that if you played any games, you used a year of eligibility. There was an exception for if the player had an injury and played in less than 30% (4) of the games. The common thing to do was to put freshman out there, come up with some "injury", and then recoup the year of eligibility, allowing freshman to get some on-field experience while still maintaining a redshirt. This was something that had to be applied for, but it seems like they either did not apply for it or they were denied.

That rule changed last year to allow players to retain their eligibility unless they played in more than 4 games. It allowed for the same benefit above without having to fake an injury. I'm not sure if anyone expected this rule change to help, but the overall point is that it was stupid to burn a redshirt for these players when a 5th year would be way more valuable.

Shop Smart Sho…

August 14th, 2019 at 10:48 AM ^

Still not getting it. If Kemp has to operate under the old rule, why wouldn't the school just do what they did for every other freshman they played before the change and make up an injury? 

I figured his quote was just like all the other guys who used to not get an explicit redshirt their freshman year and then went around talking about their 4th year being their last. Since they couldn't apply for the retroactive medical redshirt until after their 4th year, they simply acted like it was going to be their last. Is there any reason to think that won't be the case for Kemp now?

curl06

August 14th, 2019 at 11:40 AM ^

I have a hard time imagining that Kemp doesn't get the redshirt. But yes, they would need to establish that there was an injury, which wouldn't seem hard, since no ones healthy during the season. Sean McKeon, Nick Eubanks, Michael Dwumfour and Josh Uche would all be in the same boat from that class.

Also Stueber from 2017 (Black as well, but that would be more a cut and dry injury waiver if he wanted it).

I made this sheet last year to sort of track red-shirt eligibility if anyone's interested:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hBt31wuT3zNI-MCz7r5nvGJzlicmXQhUsot5ow2N9ZY/edit?usp=sharing

Charlestown Chiefs

August 14th, 2019 at 11:49 AM ^

First off, it's the NCAA so nothing should surprise you.  I could also be incorrect here, but I believe the old rule was that you couldn't play in more than 3 games AND that those games were only the first 3.  This is a major change with the new rule where they can now play in ANY 4 games as opposed to only the first 3 games with an "injury."  I believe once you play a single snap in game 4 under the old rule that you used up a season of eligibility.  

When did Stribling get hurt?  He wasn't granted a medical redshirt.  Also: Rutgers was game #6 of the season in 2016.

curl06

August 14th, 2019 at 11:58 AM ^

To receive an injury hardship waiver, you could play in no more than 30% of the teams games, and no games after the halfway point of the season. Rutgers was game 6 of 13. And 30% of the 13 games gets rounded to 4 games per previous interpretations, presuming an injury.

 

I assume you mean Clark. Clark's issue, as I remember it, was not that he wouldn't have qualified for a medical redshirt the year of his injury, but that he had already had a redshirt, and was applying for a 6th year. The only way to get that 6th year was to prove that your first redshirt year was also because of injury. I don't have the data from then, so I don't know if Clark's first redshirt was a straight redshirt or an injury redshirt.

 

The other person where this kind of came up was with Mario Ojemudia. Unfortunately he played in FIVE games, so wouldn't qualify.

Charlestown Chiefs

August 14th, 2019 at 12:51 PM ^

That makes more sense.  Always thought playing in game 4 at any point (or any game after that) meant you were basically SOL for getting a medical redshirt.

Yeah it was definitely Jeremy Clark that I meant.  Ed Davis can be scout team player of the week multiple times though and still get to count that year as a redshirt year and then get a medical redshirt also for his 6th year.  NCAA at it's finest.

4th phase

August 14th, 2019 at 12:39 PM ^

Yes I think we are reading into it a bit much. He said all that because it may be his last year. He can still apply for a 5th year redshirt but it's not guaranteed and they won't even apply for it till after the season. So he's treating it like it's the last go around to prepare mentally. Sort of like hope for the best but expect the worst.

I Like Burgers

August 14th, 2019 at 2:02 PM ^

They can't because they don't have an excuse for it.  The "injury redshirt" rule only works if you have the "injury" in the first 4 games (30%) of the season.  Because you can argue that he would have played and contributed the whole season, but "golly that darn back flare up ruined everything." 

The Rutgers game was the 6th game of the season.  So even though he only played in two games, because one of them was smack dab in the middle of the season, they don't have any grounds to argue that he should get back a full year of eligibility.

curl06

August 14th, 2019 at 2:38 PM ^

I didn't really want to pull out the rulebook, but there seems to be a lot of misunderstandings...

Read rules below for more details, but summation: (a) if Kemp were injured during the season, (b) if it occurred prior to the second half (Rutgers or earlier), and (c) if he had not participated in more than 3 or 30% of the games (30% * 13 = 3.9, rounded up to 4 under 12.8.4.3.6.2), he would be eligible for a hardship waiver.

 

"Section 12.8.4 Hardship Waiver. A student-athlete may be granted an additional year of competition by the conference or the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for reasons of "hardship." Hardship is defined as an incapacity resulting from injury or illness that occurred under all of the following conditions:

(a) The incapacitating injury or illness occurs in one of the four seasons of intercollegiate competition at any two-year or four-year collegiate institutions or occurs after the first day of classes in the student-athlete's senior year in high school;

(b) The injury or illness occurs prior to the first competition of the second half of the playing season that concludes with the NCAA championship in that sport and results in incapacity to compete for the remainder of that playing season;

(c) In team sports, the injury or illness occurs when the student-athlete has not participated in more than three contests or dates of competition (which is applicable to that sport) or 30 percent (whichever number is greater) of the institution's scheduled or completed contests or dates of competition in his or her sport. "

 

As to fractions in the 30%:

"12.8.4.3.6.2. Fraction in Percent Computation. Any computation of the percent limitation that results in a fractional portion of a contest or date of competition shall be rounded to the next whole number (e.g., 30 percent of a 29-game basketball game schedule - 8.7 games - shall be considered nine games)."

 

 

reshp1

August 14th, 2019 at 10:18 AM ^

People are making way too big of a deal about the U18 tournament. I don't think there's much to extrapolate from a performance with guys he's never played with, in a system he's trying to pick up overnight, and where he's the focus of the team. None of those things will be the case when he plays at Michigan.

bronxblue

August 14th, 2019 at 10:36 AM ^

I don't think there is a hard limit at a school in terms of letting students in beyond, I guess, dorms/living accommodations for students who are expected to fill them.  And dorms are rarely at full occupancy; that's why universities can have year-to-year differences in attending students without building new housing.  So if you think 100-ish football players make a big difference here (some of whom would have attended anyway as "regular" students), I'm not sure I agree.

Also, in the event these student-athletes are taking a spot from other applicants, many of those student-athletes (at least at UM) are out of state while the spots they are taking are more likely than not for in-state students, and there is a major difference in tuition costs between the two.  So again, the university is likely playing fast and loose with numbers there.

And as Brian noted, a decent number of students don't pay full freight at a college, while all scholarship athletes are, by definition, paying the maximum tuition cost.  

imafreak1

August 14th, 2019 at 12:43 PM ^

I was at Michigan for graduate school. I didn't pay tuition and was paid a stipend. Years after I graduated, I had to get my transcript for a new job. I was told they were on hold because of an unpaid debt. I assumed it was a parking ticket or something stupid but when I called I learned that one of my tuition payments had been late. I also learned that my department had paid the university tuition on my behalf. The university was also charging out of state tuition--even though at that point Ann Arbor was my only place of residence and I filed as a resident  on my state taxes to get the Homestead tax credit (which since it was tied to the percentage of my reported income that I paid for rent was HUGE because not only was my stipend tiny and my rent large but the university also significantly under reported what they paid me for some reason. According to my taxes, I was paying over 50% of my income on rent.)

Anyway, it never made sense to me that the university actually paid itself (rather than using some accounting magic--I don't know that is not my field)--and not just that but paid LATE and an inflated amount--for my tuition.

Fortunately, I was able to talk my way out of that on the phone without further delay. But I did get a good chuckle at hearing the old accent again and how nice everyone was after being accustomed to the bored disdain of big city bureaucrats .

El Jeffe

August 14th, 2019 at 12:26 PM ^

I mean, this is basically just not how universities work, as Bronx says below (EDIT: er, above). All universities pretend like tuition "scholarships" are real money being spent but they're mostly not.

This is part of the game now with all colleges--say your tuition is some outrageous sticker price that few people pay and then claim to "give out" millions in "scholarships." I mean, you could say your school's tuition is a billion dollars but everyone gets 999,950,000 per year in scholarships (if that weren't taxable income, which I'm never sure about).

But also, even if you're partially right, the point remains that a much larger majority of the increased revenue went to actually spending money on coaches' and staff members' salaries than to actually pay students real money.

ERdocLSA2004

August 14th, 2019 at 1:37 PM ^

It doesn't actually cost Michigan 45k to put a student in an already-extant classroom and have them use already-extant facilities.

i mean yeah, but this is a business, it’s how all businesses are run.  Saying that all of the resources are already there anyway so it’s no big deal, doesn’t exactly mean it’s free.  That’s like saying I should get to fly free on standby anywhere I want just because there is an open seat and “they are flying there already anyway”.  

I’d say it’s probably more expensive to educate a college athlete anyway, a lot of special accommodations have to be made for their schedules, tutors, etc.  this certainly costs more than the average Joe who has to attend all the lectures and exams with the other 100 students in the class.

m1jjb00

August 14th, 2019 at 2:45 PM ^

$45K is by revealed preference the cost to the University, so Brian and BronxBlue's reasoning is wrong. 

The Admissions Office rejects a whole lot of students that would pay the $45K, which tells you how the university values that less student.  If the true all-in cost was less than $45K then why wouldn't the U accept another student?  Note that the cost of a scholarship is all costs, not just those obviously enumerated/.  These hidden costs include keeping open the option of accepting somebody else say in the mid-term, balancing the uncertainty of how many are going to show up, etc.  In addition, the fact that the same student probably wouldn't bay full tuition isn't an argument either. 

bronxblue

August 14th, 2019 at 10:26 AM ^

I assume Mike Locksley wouldn't claim the particular playcall that led to a kciker being the lead blocker on a fake FG.

All of those scholarship cost numbers have always driven me crazy.  As noted, it doesn't cost $50k/year to put a human-sized person into a classroom that has existed for decades.  Schools do rely more heavily on tuition than in years past as state budgets lower their appropriations for higher ed, but it also feels like some of that goes to "improvements" that may not be essential to education (i.e. the latest gym equipment in the student center, administrative staff salary increases, etc.). 

I won't begrudge people at schools wanting to put their best foot forward, but considering how much money the NCAA brings in for the schools already it's always felt like a bit of a shell game where Alabama can say "oh yeah, Najee Harris can totally fly from California to come to our school in bumfuck Alabama BUT ONLY if you pay us $30k first".  

As always, pay the players a bit more and stop letting everyone else grift off their work.

Reggie Dunlop

August 14th, 2019 at 10:41 AM ^

Totally agree. I don't think it got a ton of play around here (or even a mention), but Maryland is also busting out some throwbacks for the Michigan game, which is also their Homecoming.

https://twitter.com/TerpsFootball/status/1161298592440684545

I said it before, this feels so similar to Rutgers in 2016. All that's missing is 200 recruits. Going to be a lot of hype. Hammer the over.

DogTown

August 14th, 2019 at 11:44 AM ^

My favorite comment on that uniform Twitter thread... "They need to go back to these uniforms. They were the best uniforms that Maryland had. I don’t know what that mess is they wear now. And why is Michigan the homecoming opponent?!?! I thought you play teams you can beat. Not get destroyed."

yossarians tree

August 14th, 2019 at 11:17 AM ^

Apropos of nothing, but I just saw a video on 247 of a little presser with Harbaugh and some gathered scribes and WHY THE FUCK IN 2019 CAN WE NOT GET SOME DECENT AUDIO ON THESE THINGS!!!!! 

It is absolutely ludicrous. We're all dying for any scrap of information we can get, and finally the fucking Head Coach comes forth to tell us about camp, and we can't hear a goddamn thing because it is all being recorded by some zit-faced nerd's cell phone.

 

Autostocks

August 14th, 2019 at 12:44 PM ^

Do not underestimate the MHSAA.  They have a history of really stupid decisions.  For years and years, the best HS boys lacrosse teams from MI participated in something called the Midwest Scholastic Lacrosse Coaches Association as part of their non-conference schedules.  This allowed student athletes exposure to a higher level of competition, and more exposure to recruiters.  That is, until a couple years ago, when the MHSAA decided that it violated the Travel Limitations rule.  Now no MI teams participate in the MSLCA, which helps exactly no one.

FirstAmendment

August 14th, 2019 at 1:38 PM ^

I tried to explain the MHSAA “homeschool” rule when it first came out.  You can’t repeat the 8th grade after completing the 8th grade.   His parents can claim whatever, but he was a freshman according to the state while being homeschooled as an 8th grader.  And This is different than being a smart kid and taking advanced classes.  This rule is designed to prevent this type of athletic redshirt.  

How much do you want to bet this kid planned to graduate early from high school?    

The problem isn’t the MHSAA, but the parents and academic advisor who didn’t explain the rule. 

Reggie Dunlop

August 14th, 2019 at 1:54 PM ^

As is normally the case in these kinds of things, there's usually a well-intended rule at the core with a purpose to prevent people from gaming the system. And then the public is fed the sob-story version and the pitchforks come out. 

spiff

August 14th, 2019 at 12:48 PM ^

Last time I clicked on 'Dont' click here' I ended up getting 'I'm sorry John' Reddit alerts for the next week. I think this one is waaayyy worse.