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Brian March 24th, 2021 at 12:53 PM

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Juwan Howard talks to the NBA on TNT. People even like it when he swears on TV!

I'm going to up my swearing to become more popular.

Howard mentions that part of his drive at Michigan is to clear the path for other black head coaches, and it's maybe not a coincidence that the Big Ten has deviated from the coach hiring script this offseason. Before Juwan Howard, the Big Ten had not hired a black men's basketball head coach since Tubby Smith in 2008. This offseason Penn State and Minnesota have given black assistants head coaching jobs.

On the search. Brendan Quinn on the events that led Howard to the head coaching job. Nobody had to cajole Howard into reaching out to Phil Martelli:

Howard had answers. In the days leading up to the interview, he had spoken to friends throughout basketball, gathering opinions. One of them was Kentucky coach John Calipari. “No one really knew it,” Calipari said, “but Juwan was out there doing his own research all along the way.”

That’s why on the Monday before the interview, Phil Martelli, recently dismissed from Saint Joseph’s and on vacation at Disney, got a text message from Calipari saying Howard was going to call. Martelli, fairly confused, said OK. Once the two connected, Howard first asked Martelli to paint a profile of what it takes to be a great head coach at the college level. They talked through it. Then, toward the end of the conversation, Howard gauged Martelli’s interest in serving as his No. 2. “Something like, ‘Would you be interested in taking this journey with me?'” Martelli remembers. Steve Fisher called next. Howard’s former coach at Michigan and the coach of the Wolverines’ 1989 national championship team wanted to double-check that Martelli was legitimately interested in coming aboard with Howard. “Are you serious about doing this?” Fisher asked Martelli. He was.

The article also contains a quote from Grant Hill that adds to the giant pile of Everybody Loves Juwan.

[After THE JUMP: the most famous, period] 

Merry Leggmas. I object to "one of" in this tweet since no other college hockey goal has given its name to a rad and increasingly popular move:

Livers on his shirt. He's the only one of the three guys wearing the #NotNCAAProperty shirts who was quoted in the NYT article on the movement, because Jordan Bohannon didn't want to and Geo Baker—wait for it—wasn't allowed to:

To do so, a group that has grown to dozens of players from at least 15 schools, has used Twitter this week to call for change around a single issue — the N.C.A.A.’s control over their marketing opportunities — through the hashtag #NotNCAAProperty. The players have called for, among other things, a meeting with N.C.A.A. President Mark Emmert, a request that a spokesman for the association signaled Thursday might be granted.

“We’re doing this for future athletes, we’re doing this for our future kids,” said Livers, a senior, who added that it was “time for student-athletes to speak up, no more being silenced.”

I did not know that in 2018 Michigan was on the verge of a protest:

Gavitt was not so conciliatory when it came to such actions during the tournament, like one that Michigan players had organized but never followed through with at the 2018 Final Four — skipping the open practices on the day before the semifinals with the other participants, Loyola-Chicago, Villanova and Kansas.

“I would be concerned about any potential disruption of games,” Gavitt said.

Well of course you are, buddy. Maaaan do I wish that had happened. I am upping my probability there is a delayed game in the final four considerably after reading this from Livers:

“I can see some delays” of games, said Livers, who acknowledged that players had talked about how their teams’ tournament fates could influence the course of their campaign. “I can see a lot of that — there’s definitely plans ahead. I don’t want to break the news, but we’re going to use our voices, our actions.”

I would love for Michigan to be the first school to take that step.

One of the biggest "people are just in charge of things" ever. It's time for another round of Mark Emmert Piñata madness, thanks in part to the NCAA's botched handling of the women's basketball tournament. That appears to be a standard level of bureaucratic bumbling common to large organizations that don't really prioritize certain things. Emmert bungling the cash cow is another level entirely:

All those are going to pale in comparison to what promises to be Emmert’s defining legacy of incompetence at the NCAA, a mistake that’s going to likely cost the association more than $3.5 billion in upcoming years. In 2016, the NCAA had eight years left on its NCAA tournament television contract with CBS and Turner and decided not to take it to market.

Instead, the NCAA extended the deal until 2032 at a modest increase of less than 3% annually. At the time, Emmert took a victory lap in the media, saying that uncertainties in the “evolving media landscape” led to the extension.

Well, the landscape has evolved. And those who trade in the television business have declared it a failure of vision, destined to go down as one of the worst sports television deals in modern athletic history.

Ruthlessly extracting revenue is the one thing the NCAA is supposed to be good at! We've got six sport drink bottles per player on the sidelines this year because the NCAA wants to use bench shots as further revenue generators. And this was the guy who was in charge of things:

At the time, a gentleman named Mark Lewis ran championships for the NCAA and spearheaded the deal. (Lewis is now working in the liquor business in Bozeman, Montana.)

An eyepopping aside.

Here's Dana O'Neil carpet-bombing Emmert in the Athletic if you're so inclined.

The Ringer on Franz. They have him ninth:

Unselfish playmaker who has great court vision for his size and the ability to deliver accurate passes straight off the dribble. … In some systems, he could be a major threat facilitating from the elbow areas, running dribble handoffs with shooters or serve as the ball handler or screener in the pick-and-roll. ... Has a computer brain on defense. Reads plays instantly and disrupts actions by beating opponents to their spots. He will make a significant impact as an off-ball defender throughout his career.

Someone make some more Wagners post-haste.

Indiana, flailing. Coaching searches frequently devolve into fiasco, and Indiana's basketball search has offically reached that point. There was a Brad Stevens Day, which Stevens debunked by calling himself a "masshole." There was We Tried Thad Matta Day, but Matta reportedly failed a physical (or did not fail a physical and was not offered the job, forget it Jake it's coaching search). Now the name is

…the strongest buzz coming out of the weekend centered around New York Knicks assistant coach and Indiana alum Mike Woodson.

Man, that is leaning hard into the Howard model. Explicitly:

There's some chatter that Indiana has seen what Juwan Howard has done at Michigan and been impressed, which could increase the chances for Woodson or fellow Hoosier alums Keith Smart and Calbert Cheaney.

Woodson has been an NBA coach since 1996, with eight years as a head coach with the Hawks and Knicks. He did pretty well in his head coaching stints, unlike most of the NBA-to-college swings in the dark, but he's 62 and probably does not have the infinite connections in AAU and the like that Howard did thanks to his sons. Smart and Cheaney have thinner resumes, but Cheaney has the advantage of being 49.

The most important thing:

Beilein also remains involved, but there's a line of thinking that it would be done by now if he was the pick.

Hell yeah go get that Marquette job.

Porter Moser is also being brought up and if he's willing to jump that would make a lot of sense. Moser's resume is considerably stronger than it was two years ago, when I was real mad he was even in the conversation for the Michigan job.

Something about LSU coaches, man. I know Ed Orgeron recently won a national title but I mean what:

If I had done this I would not say it out loud, like I thought it might get me a cookie. Also:

This will be charming until Orgeron goes 8-4 and then he'll be thrown off a boat.

Etc.: Farleigh Dickinson is adding sports in the hope of increasing overall revenue. Jeremy Woo on Luka Garza's NBA future. <shakes fist at Patrick Ewing>. Never say anything into a hot mic. Pete Thamel on Nate Oats, who Michigan will probably meet if they get past Florida State. Justice department weighs in on athletes'  side in the Alston case, which is now at the Supreme Court. How LSU slow-walks sexual assault investigations and transparency. Note that Michigan does some of this with their worst-in-class FOIA office.

Comments

jmblue

March 24th, 2021 at 1:22 PM ^

Moser's looking really impressive this season, but his career record before 2017 was unremarkable.  Is this a sign that he's grown as a coach, or has he just stumbled upon a rare talent in Cameron Krutwig?  

Next year, without Krutwig, would tell us more about Moser . . . but Indiana doesn't have time to wait.

jimmyshi03

March 24th, 2021 at 1:41 PM ^

When they played Michigan, Krutwig wasn’t the featured guy, Clayton Cluster was MVC POY, and they had other guys who stepped up throughout the tournament. That would suggest an ability to at least adapt to his personnel.

I would hope Moser would look at Dan Monson, exiled at the Long Beach Pyramid, and note that the grass is not greener, necessarily. 

jmblue

March 24th, 2021 at 1:57 PM ^

They certainly haven't been a one-man team, but Krutwig has been a critical piece all four years.  Having a versatile center can open up a lot, at both ends.

It's just remarkable to me how much Moser's performance as a coach has jumped up since 2017.  He had had 10 consecutive losing conference seasons before then.  The difference is night and day.

jimmyshi03

March 24th, 2021 at 3:55 PM ^

One additional variable: Wichita State left the MVC after the 2017 season, which presumably gives more opportunities for other schools, especially as its become more of a one bid league, this year excluded. That’d be like if Boise left the Mountain West, someone still has to win it. 

FreddieMercuryHayes

March 24th, 2021 at 2:02 PM ^

Yeah he's done significantly better as a coach since that 2017-2018 season, but still didn't make the tourney in 2018-2019 (won the conference, lost conference tourney), and was 2nd in conference 2019-2020.  Also those teams sandwiched in between these two tourney teams are significantly worse in Kenpom (100+) as opposed to top 10 this year and around 30 that previous tourney run.  Resume looks much better than now, but there's still some questions about consistancy I think.

CityOfKlompton

March 24th, 2021 at 8:26 PM ^

Not exactly the same (and I'm sure I'll get some downvotes just for mentioning his name, but) Brian Kelly was not all that remarkable at Grand Valley State for 10 seasons before suddenly figuring *something* out in year 11, then turning around and finding measurable success at every program he's been at since.

Baffin

March 25th, 2021 at 2:17 PM ^

People are often skeptical about whether mid-major guys can make the jump, and sometimes they can't. But sometimes they can; Andy Enfield at USC is a good example. He's shaping the Trojans into an upper-tier Pac12 program on a better trajectory than blueblood rival UCLA. 

Now, if USC had hired some washed-up P5 guy just because he had a track record of running a big program, they might still be irrelevant. It's a guessing game. 

iawolve

March 24th, 2021 at 1:31 PM ^

I don't know that I have seen an interview that could have been more of a killer commercial for the program. Having Shaq, Candice and CWebb (obvs) showing their love and respect for Juwan was awesome. That was a great platform for him to show his vision for his players and love for his school. I hope they package it up for recruits to watch.

yossarians tree

March 24th, 2021 at 1:34 PM ^

Moser's teams play a lovely style of basketball that would be a perfect fit for what they want at Indiana. Krutwig's good but no team plays defense like that without some really good coaching. I'd be surprised if they don't take a hard look at him.

Yinka Double Dare

March 24th, 2021 at 1:50 PM ^

I thought it was extremely interesting that when GaTech eventually got Krutwig in a matchup he couldn't defend, Moser actually sat him for significant stretches of the 2nd half (played only 12 second half minutes, no foul trouble) and tried to go offense/defense with him down the stretch. Not all coaches would sit their guy like that. 

njvictor

March 24th, 2021 at 1:36 PM ^

IU hiring Mike Woodson as "their Juwan Howard" after swinging and missing on everyone else is the most Indiana thing I've ever heard. Good luck with Mr Potato Head

matty blue

March 24th, 2021 at 1:37 PM ^

quick question - which college coach would be the first one to absolutely, unequivocally support his players if they decided to delay a final four game by 15 minutes, and why is your answer "juwan howard?

stephenrjking

March 24th, 2021 at 4:37 PM ^

Cal is clearly a dirty coach from a cheating standpoint, but frankly, there are a lot of dirty coaches in college sports and some of them are probably decent people who don't follow NCAA regulations. 

I know nothing about Cal, except that I don't think he'd be able to successfully get all those recruits without being a reasonable guy to be around. 

1VaBlue1

March 24th, 2021 at 2:49 PM ^

I might be half-surprised if Juwan was the one that instigated Isaiah into this.  Maybe.  But probably not.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Juwan put that 'leadership' thread into his head.  LOL - I have money that he'd wear the t-shirt during the delay!

I WANT TO SEE THIS!!!!!

stephenrjking

March 24th, 2021 at 1:50 PM ^

Looking at that article about the Howard coaching search:

It is well-reported, and seems to provide a lot of key details that were hidden by the "fog of war" at the time.

It verifies that Cooley was a serious candidate, and states that Porter Moser and Shaka Smart were not. It says that a high-major coach with a "recent Final Four appearance" considered for four days whether to enter into negotiations before ultimately declining. The only guys that fit that description and make sense (Gregg Marshall wasn't a high-major coach, Lon Kruger is way too old, Roy Williams and John Calipari are obviously not options, etc) are Dana Altman and Frank Martin. Altman would have been a good target, much better than Cooley.

Anyway, a lot of good granular detail here, including the bit where we are given an actual department statement that one of the important parts of hiring a search firm is to talk to people without the public getting wind of it. 

stephenrjking

March 24th, 2021 at 2:11 PM ^

Would have been a good target. But he had just signed an extension at the end of April, and the coaching search was in May, so I consider it less likely. Though, I suppose, that extension could have been why he chose not to negotiate. 

It's interesting to me in part to discern Warde's thinking process. The seriousness with which they took Cooley (Howard was already a consideration at that point, so I figured the interview was just routine) doesn't inspire me, but I felt the way he approached Washington and Yaklich and some of the other targets make sense. If he took serious looks at Altman or Beard, I think that's smart thinking.

And, of course, he got the right guy. 

bronxblue

March 24th, 2021 at 3:06 PM ^

I'm not sure if UM would have touched Altman given that he had recently been embroiled in some questionable conduct related to one of his player's sexual assault investigation and also got busted for some relatively minor, in numerous, NCAA violations as well as getting his program named in the FBI investigation.  He may be a good coach but he also feels like a guy you don't necessarily need to get in bed with if you don't have to.

mi93

March 24th, 2021 at 2:00 PM ^

Seeing as the HC was part of the first very vocal class of college players to speak out about the money the university made from their jersey sales, I expect full support for whatever the players do to let their modern voices be heard. #NotNCAAproperty

BursleyHall82

March 24th, 2021 at 2:20 PM ^

Regarding Farleigh Dickinson:

1. Just the mention of that school gets my heart racing from 1985. Most of you are too young to know or remember, but that was not a fun game. It was Michigan-Army football 2019 with much more at stake.

2. I'm surprised more small schools don't realize what they've just realized (that adding sports brings in tuition-paying athletes who wouldn't ordinarily have gone to that school). My daughter was a D3 athlete at a state school in Wisconsin that sponsors every sport under the sun for the same reason. The school is doing great and she had a phenomenal student-athlete experience there. And she never would have attended that school had it not been for her sport.

ih8losing

March 24th, 2021 at 2:24 PM ^

The cynic in me says this info is coming out prematurely. Watch the refs blow extra whistles to ensure Michigan doesn’t make it to the Final Four, it’ll eliminate the possibility of delays. 

Sambojangles

March 24th, 2021 at 2:34 PM ^

Michigan is the perfect school to lead the #notNCAAProperty movement. Maybe the only school that could really make a difference.

  • Coach Howard is well-liked, and a former high-profile player in school and in the pros. He understands both sides, player and coach, and will be understanding of the players' viewpoint (This applies to Harbaugh as well, when this spreads to football). Howard having sons playing in college helps as well. 
  • It needs to be a brand-name school with NBA-level players and a huge fanbase that will support the players. No offense to Loyola, Gonzaga, or Villanova, but I don't think they have the pull to get the hearts and minds of the country behind them. If the 2018 final had been Michigan vs Kansas, I wonder if they would have gone through with the game delay.
  • Michigan has the fanbase and boosters who are relatively liberal and therefore more likely to support the athletes and not turn on them. Not that the Michigan fanbase is perfect (it's clearly full of loudmouth people who will attack), but the fact that Livers has gone on with this for a week without much blowback that I've seen is a good sign. Also, there is a conservative case for players having full NIL rights, but I think in general the agreement with players correlates with traditional right/left views on labor vs management.
  • Lastly, it helps that basketball is still a secondary sport to most fans, to football. The contrast in expectations, results, and general vibes around both programs here gives basketball a lot more slack to break norms. Compare the Livers treatment to what people said to players who opted out of football in 2020 or skipped the bowl games in 2018 and 2019.

AWAS

March 24th, 2021 at 3:16 PM ^

Agree completely with this analysis.  And that is why it becomes even more important to WIN THE GAME and gain the stage and venue necessary to execute the protest.

If we do somehow make the Final Four, I suggest we prepare our own food and create a double-hermetically sealed bubble to avoid Navalny syndrome.

maquih

March 24th, 2021 at 7:01 PM ^

Ah, I still have a dream that Martelli will go on to a head coaching gig and Beilein can come back to us as an Associate Head Coach -- but also great for the team if Martelli stays on for a while and also wish Beilein all the happiness in the world, whether that's at Marquette or elsewhere.

Blue Vet

March 24th, 2021 at 3:28 PM ^

That Woo article on Garza in Sports Illustrated is strange. The ambitious writer-Woo wants hard to write that the NBA is stupidly underestimating Garza but the journalist-Woo keeps following the evidence that says the NBA should underestimate Garza.

Michigan Arrogance

March 24th, 2021 at 3:54 PM ^

What an impressive interview, I mean whoever above said that JH is what we wish JH was - is right on. The alum with more passion for the school and the game itself than any other coach in the nation. The guy with pro-level Xs and Os. Ethically and morally above reproach. Somehow JH lost his passion/Xs and Os accumen after 2017 (?) or so.

re: "not NCAA property" I'd also love to see a delay of 15-30 mins. Basketball and football players deserve a more equitable share of the billions the NCAA makes and subsequently "distributes or spends." Yeah, it's revanue not profit, but you can prioritize your budget away from

  • 1-2 dozen people with law degrees whom you hire into the AD as an admin for 85-110k/yr
  • gold plated showers and other facilities that are beyond professional level
  • coaching salaries above X00k for non-revenue sports and 1-2M for football and basketball.

and funnel that to 20-50k/ football or basketball player which they have the option to have now or place into a trust or some other investment vehicle. Alternatively, give the althletes their NIL rights so all the ads you use them in aren't essentially free images. They deserve a cut.