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Stonum to Redshirt, Hagerup Suspended Four Games
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Press release:
U-M Football Head Coach Brady Hoke Announces Wide Receiver Stonum will Redshirt 2011 Season
ANN ARBOR, Mich. – University of Michigan football head coach Brady Hoke announced Sunday (Aug. 7) that senior wide receiver Darryl Stonum (Stafford, Texas/Dulles HS) will redshirt the 2011 season.
“While it would be great to have Darryl on the field this season, we feel it is in his best interest and the best interest of our program for him to redshirt,” said Hoke. “Darryl will continue to be an important part of our team and family. He has done everything we have asked him to do, but our number one priority is to help Darryl grow as a person.”
Hoke also announced the suspension of sophomore punter Will Hagerup (Milwaukee, Wis./Whitefish Bay HS) for the first four games of the season and junior wide receiver Terrence Robinson (Klein, Texas/Oak HS) for the season opener for violating team rules.
Stonum's redshirt is obviously an effect of his second DUI in two years; Hagerup and Robinson's naughtiness is unknown.
Stonum's absence will be felt, as no one on the roster has his combination of size and speed. Michigan still has seniors Martavious Odoms and Junior Hemingway, though, and those two were about as productive as Stonum was. Folks like to rotate their wide receivers, though, and without Stonum the backups are untested Je'Ron Stokes, Jeremy Jackson, and Jerald Robinson. Michigan might think about getting Roundtree some reps on the outside now.
This is Hagerup's second strike after he missed the Ohio State game last year for the proverbial undisclosed violation of team rules. In his stead Seth Broekhuizen took over, averaging 29 yards a kick. Michigan will probably turn to freshman Matt Wile; Wile averaged 42 yards per attempt as a high school senior.
Robinson probably wasn't going to play anyway.
SILVER LINING: If Stonum can get someone to drive him around this year, his return in 2012 should soften the blow of losing Odoms and Hemingway. Michigan still needs receivers stat.
SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE W/ MICHAEL FLOYD: Floyd had two MIPs, which are nothing, and the one DUI. Stonum had two DUIs and went to jail for not doing the probation on the first one. Please refrain from outing yourself as a derp by derping about Notre Derp.
August 7th, 2011 at 6:59 PM | 
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Watch this and calm yourself
August 7th, 2011 at 7:03 PM |
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In the comment box, but deity to the plain text editor first
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August 7th, 2011 at 7:06 PM |
Well, can't find the edit
Well, can't find the edit
Well, can't find the edit button for some reason but here is another attempt.
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August 7th, 2011 at 6:58 PM |
Dude there are already 2
Dude there are already 2
Dude there are already 2 threads started on these subjects, why you cluttering up the board. Search is your friend
August 7th, 2011 at 7:01 PM |
Matt Wile is going to be the
Matt Wile is going to be the
Matt Wile is going to be the savior of our special teams
*fingers crossed*
ITS GREAT TO BE A MICHIGAN WOLVERINE
August 7th, 2011 at 9:55 PM |
posted from iPhone
posted from iPhone
We're already asking a lot of the kid.
Touchdown Michigan!
August 7th, 2011 at 10:30 PM |
I hope he
I hope he
can walk on water too.
From the Red Cedar Message Board: "God hates us." Yes He does Lil Bro, yes he does. Everyone hates you.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:46 PM |
Just so long as
Just so long as
He doesn't turn water into wine.
Not the way things are going lately with players and substances.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
August 7th, 2011 at 7:05 PM |
the first four games
the first four games
| September 3 | Western Michigan | 3:30 PM | ABC | |
| September 10 | Notre Dame | 8:00 PM | ESPN | |
| September 17 | Eastern Michigan | 12:00 PM | BTN | |
| September 24 | San Diego State | TBA | TBA |
Luckily we have Denard, and thus, won't need to punt much.
Notre Dame just got a bit complicated though.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:16 PM |
This is GOOD news (re: Stonum)
This is GOOD news (re: Stonum)
With Hemingway, Odoms, Rountree around in 2011, Stonum was likely to see no more than 50% of offensive snaps (whenever he returned from suspension). Losing him just gives more time to Odoms primarily, and maybe incrementaly to Stokes, Robinson, etc.
In 2012, he'll play the majority of snaps, and he'll be taking time away from unproven players in Stokes, Robinson, etc.
To compare:
Using Stonum in 2011: Fewer plays for Odoms (a proven senior), a partial season, a deep WR corps is deeper.
Using Stonum in 2012: Fewer plays for Robinson (RS So), a full season, a shallow WR corps is deeper.
In short, the relative gain/replacement value/marginal improvement/whatever you want to call it is much better in 2012.
On top of all that Stonum should be more mature, more motivated, and he'll certainly know the playbook and offense better a year from now.
It's better for the program indeed.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:29 PM |
Also better for Stonum
Also better for Stonum
A not insignificant point, imo. To me this was one of Hoke's first real tests, and I think he passed it. It's a balanced and fair response to a very serious situation, and gives a kid who clearly needs it a chance to grow up and get his head on straight. Kicking Stonum off the team would have been a loss for everyone, though not an unreasonable reaction to two DUIs. On the other hand, not punishing him at all was (for Michigan) out of the question.
Hoke found a third way, and fingers crossed it will work out well for everyone.
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August 8th, 2011 at 1:46 AM |
totally agree
totally agree
i'm glad hoke to the road traveled by the likes of Bo when making this decision, instead of those by the tressels, brian kellys and mark dantonios.
kudos to you brady hoke.
August 7th, 2011 at 8:43 PM |
What is the consensus on
What is the consensus on
What is the consensus on Je'Ron Stokes being able to step up this year? He was a highly rated 4* coming in 2009 and was a nice addition to the 2009 class by signing up for Michigan on NSD.
August 8th, 2011 at 8:49 AM |
All you're saying is true, but . . .
All you're saying is true, but . . .
All you're saying is true, but you're making a big assumption that Stonum will return to the team in 2012. We have no knowledge of the breadth of his problem or his mental state at this point. Is it possible that he will return? Certainly, but is it likely given the circumstances? Seeing that he's on thin ice right now and his past behavior, I'd actually put his chances at less then 50-50.
As far as Hagerup is concerned, seeing that nothing's come up in the public record yet, the best guess on the violation of team rules is related either to academics or a second drug test failure. On the latter, the pattern fits--one game suspension for first time, four game suspension for second. What happens with the third violation of team rules? Does he get a one year suspension like Stonum or will he be booted from the team? I hope it doesn't come to that because he's a pretty talented punter and if he's looking at continuing into the NFL as a possibiity, he needs to straighten things up. The same, obviously, goes for Stonum as well, although given his record to date, any chance at a professional career is in greater jeopardy.
I hope both of them take care of their personal lives and turn things around. If it doesn't happen this season and they both lose their spots on the team, then Michigan's recruiting class for 2012 almost assuredly goes up by at least one more player.
August 8th, 2011 at 11:26 AM |
Good Point
Good Point
However, if Stonum, given the opportunity put in front of him, can't get his life together he has bigger problems. I don't know him or anything, but I'd take the bet on his side if given even odds. Most people are going to respond positively to this kind of thing. Without the distractions and pressures of playing on Saturday, Stonum can spend the next school year focusing on school and getting everything together for 2012 and beyond.
He has the talent to be an NFL player. Next year, he'll have an open opportunity with a veteran QB and OL. All the kid has to do is find a frickin designated driver to avoid trouble. He's got everything going for him and it would be sad if it went to waste.
In my mind, Hoke's laid out a path for him where he's suitably punished, but the reward to find the right path remains.
August 8th, 2011 at 4:01 PM |
You assume he does not declare at the end of this year
You assume he does not declare at the end of this year
Sure he could at least get a free agent contract and try to make it that way.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:14 PM |
Damn
Damn
We needed Hagerup, especially for ND. Hopefully Wile can be decent enough at punter too. And another significant difference between Floyd and Stonum is that Floyd wasn't suspended. I understand that what Stonum did was worse, but a DUI is a DUI. It at least deserves a 1 game suspension, if not more. I am happy with the decision regarding Stonum though. Good enough outcome.
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August 7th, 2011 at 7:15 PM |
Yeah
Yeah
We can still comment on that it seems that Floyd will see no suspension whatsoever for what is his 3rd alcohol related offense. The 2 situations are not equal and no one should say they are, but missing an entire season is significantly more than not missing anything.
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August 8th, 2011 at 8:53 AM |
True
True
but what it suggests to me is that Stonum's issues are more acute and not yet resolved. Stonum struck me as immature (awesome, but immature) in his dealing with the press, etc. last year, and I doubt he is taking that well to "life changes." Out with the massive tinted sub-glasses - insert AA meetings, not an easy adjustment for somebody who seems to kind of see himself as a bad-ass in the third person kind of way. I can hear him saying "Darryl Stonum doesn't change for nobody, man." I think Hoke's hand was probably forced into this by Stonum's actions or lack thereof.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:30 PM |
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August 7th, 2011 at 7:31 PM |
OT, I know.
OT, I know.
I'm looking to go with a few friends to the night game, and a bunch of people are looking to tailgate. My question is: Is the golf course open to tailgate on? And will there be lights and such on the course? Or will everyone have to go to Pioneer? Thanks in advance for your answers!
HOKE SMASH.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:33 PM |
I think to call Floyd's two
I think to call Floyd's two
I think to call Floyd's two MIP's "nothing", is a frickin joke. While most college aged students drink before they are 21, most college students also do not represent the university by being on a full-ride scholarship and playing for the football team. I would understand a slap on the wrist for one MIP but a healthy suspension should be in line for number 2 and then throw on a DUI. Come on, open your eyes.
“I am going to treat you all the same. Like Dogs.” - Bo Schembechler
August 7th, 2011 at 7:49 PM |
as someone who got two MIPs, I agree that they are more than "nothing", but still not as bad as a DUI.
some are scared of being misfits; I'm afraid of fitting in
August 7th, 2011 at 7:58 PM |
I completely agree with you.
I completely agree with you.
I completely agree with you. A DUI puts others at risk. For the record, I am very happy with the punishment. I think it is fair to Stonum and provides the support over the next year that will hopefully let him mature. I just have a problem with MIP's being nothing.
“I am going to treat you all the same. Like Dogs.” - Bo Schembechler
August 7th, 2011 at 8:01 PM |
I understand times are
I understand times are
I understand times are different, what with the 21 yr. old drinking age and all, but just how do get an MIP? Do you walk around the cop car with a bottle in your hand and take swig just when the officer is looking?
August 7th, 2011 at 8:12 PM |
There are a few easy ways:
There are a few easy ways:
Your tailgate party is too early/awesome and the cops come over and decide they want to check the ID of the kid taking the two story beer bong.
That old bitch who lives on Greenwood calls the police on a house party you're attending. Cops come in, check IDs. Whoops, MIP'd. (I have no idea if those old people still live at the end of Vaughn or Greenwood, whichever one it was).
Your RA decides to go on a power trip and rather than dumping out/taking your alcohol she calls DPS and/or AAPD. BOOM, MIP'd.
You're heading across campus to a party and the buddy who's spending the night studying but volunteered to drop you off gets pulled over, cops see you in the back with a case. MIP'd.
I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.
August 8th, 2011 at 12:08 AM |
it can be very easy
it can be very easy
i somehow escaped without any (just turned 21) but many of my friends weren't that lucky ... it just happens, a lot of them are too freshman who don''t know how to handle it/live in the dorms/ don 't know their rights (cops need a warrent to breathlyze if you aren't driving but most just submit anyway)
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August 8th, 2011 at 7:32 AM |
Yes that is one way. or be an
Yes that is one way. or be an
Yes that is one way. or be an idio like myself and walk my then girlfriend to her car with a dixie cup of beer and undercovers jump out at you. If it is your first offense though you can get it expunged from your record.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:36 PM |
Here's hoping Hagerup...
Here's hoping Hagerup...
...grows up and quick.
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August 7th, 2011 at 7:47 PM |
I think this is a fair
I think this is a fair
I think this is a fair decision. A full-year benching for Stonum is a stiff punishment. He'll have a lot of time to reflect on what he's done.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:27 PM |
Props to Coach Hoke on what I
Props to Coach Hoke on what I
Props to Coach Hoke on what I can imagine was a tough decision regarding Stonum. Press has been on Coach about what will happen to Stonum. The situation clearly has been looming for awhile now. The easy thing would have been suspending Stonum for the opener, but Coach clearly did what was best for the program.
Coach Schembechler always believed it was better to start off as a tough disciplinarian and become softer as needed, rather than the other way around. Its good Coach Hoke establishes disciplinary procedure upfront, too. Hopefully Stonum's teammates and future Wolverines realize the expectations that come with donning the Maize and Blue.
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August 7th, 2011 at 7:50 PM |
Not surprised by Stonum;
Not surprised by Stonum;
Not surprised by Stonum; hopefully Hagerup figures out how to play by the rules (I have my assumptions of what "rules" a college kid breaks, but I'll keep quiet for now), as he might find himself out of a job depending on how Wile plays. This defense needs good field position to be successful (most do, I know), and if you give up 20 net yards per punt, that's not going to help anything.
I'm happy with how Hoke handled the Stonum situation, but I do think Floyd's situation is not so different that he should be able to start day 1. Three alcohol-related offenses are bad for anyone; if a student had multiple MIPs he/she would have some explaining to do before the school's disciplinary board unless times have changed since I was in the college. A DUI also doesn't really help his case. Yes, Stonum may be the bigger goober when it comes to drinking, but Floyd is not winning any prizes himself.
August 8th, 2011 at 8:16 AM |
Yeah, I don't see how having
Yeah, I don't see how having
Yeah, I don't see how having "only" one DUI is somehow justification for Floyd not missing even one game. A DUI, even a first one, is no small thing and should receive SOME punishment other than missing practices which I doubt Floyd was all that broken up about.
Regarding Stonum, though, I am not sure that he is getting punished much, either. If he plays every game in 2012 would he really have been punished at all?
We ARE Michigan....COME GET SOME!!!
August 8th, 2011 at 8:35 AM |
If he plays every game in 2012
If he plays every game in 2012
You are presuming that Darryl Stonum can manage to keep his nose out of trouble for 12 months. There is very little evidence he can do that, and Brady Hoke (IMHO) has determined that as well. He's essentially said "I don't think you can keep from fucking up, and therefore it's not worth keeping you eligible for this season. If you can surprise us all, fine, we'll see you in 2012."
I think Stonum has played his last down of Michigan football.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:52 PM |
Great...
Great...
Comparable or not, I'm a senior this year, not next year, and having to deal with Floyd while they don't have to deal with Stonum is garbage. Neither of them should be playing.
Hagerup needs to get his head in gear, too. I do not want to repeat the punting debacle at OSU last year, and now both punting and kicking fall to a freshman.
"Good evening, and welcome to Michigan Stadium for this the one-hundred thirty-second season of Michigan football, and the thirty-ninth meeting between Michigan and Notre Dame." -Carl Grapentine, September 10, 2011
August 7th, 2011 at 8:00 PM |
Stonum and Hagerup
Stonum and Hagerup
High integrity move by Hoke to redshirt Stonum.
Wile hasn't even made it to campus yet and he's probably already one of the top 5 most important players on the team this season. Please stay healthy Mr. Wile.
Hoke bitches...Hoke.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:58 PM |
I think I'm in the minority here, but
I think I'm in the minority here, but
in my opinion Stonum should have been dismissed. I'm normally loath to speak in judgment of someone and something I know nothing about, but the second DUI is too much for me. His actions indicate a lack of respect for the opportunity afforded him and an inablilty to learn from them. Plus, as others have pointed out, this move actually benefits Michigan football and seems like less of a punishment as a result. That Hoke was not around for Stonum's prior problems is the only reason I'm not really put off by this.
Oh, well. At least he's not Glenn Winston.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:10 PM |
I look at the redshirt this
I look at the redshirt this
I look at the redshirt this way: it forces Stonum to stay on campus and under the watch of the football team, which is probably the best thing for this young man's future.
Red shirt != he will play next year
I'm sure there are going to be many things he needs to prove in order to earn the priveledge of playing next year.
CoE Class of 2007
August 7th, 2011 at 9:39 PM |
Not sure how it helps
Not sure how it helps
Makes It harder to win this year, and if anything has been shown, you need to win early and often as Michigan coach.
As for Stonum, if he had any NFL aspirations, waiting a year to go pro could be costing at minimum hundreds of thousands of dollars he can never get back.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
August 7th, 2011 at 7:59 PM |
HAGERUP NOOOOOOOO
HAGERUP NOOOOOOOO
Abort, Retry, Fail?
August 7th, 2011 at 8:00 PM |
The Michigan Difference
The Michigan Difference
Notre Dame 0 games
Michigan 13 games
Any questions?
August 7th, 2011 at 8:02 PM |
Guess you missed the part
Guess you missed the part
Guess you missed the part about not derping about Notre Dame.
"We've beaten Michigan the last four years. So where's the threat?"
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August 8th, 2011 at 9:17 AM |
Ahem
Ahem
Notre DERP. Just sayin'.
;)
Please refrain from outing yourself as a derp by derping about Notre Derp
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August 7th, 2011 at 8:02 PM |
special teams
special teams
The Hagerup news is a huge bummer. I remember watching him warm up before last year's MSU game. He was consistently kicking balls into the end zone and beyond from well behind the 50 yard line. A bunch of Sparty fans were dazzled by the performance. Me, too.
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August 7th, 2011 at 8:02 PM |
special teams
special teams
The Hagerup news is a huge bummer. I remember watching him warm up before last year's MSU game. He was consistently kicking balls into the end zone and beyond from well behind the 50 yard line. A bunch of Sparty fans were dazzled by the performance. Me, too.
"500 channels and nothing but cats."
August 7th, 2011 at 8:16 PM |
I'll agree with Brian that
I'll agree with Brian that
I'll agree with Brian that Stonum's Actions =/= Floyd's Actions. There is a difference there.
However, there is also a difference between their punishments. And that difference is the size of the Grand Canyon. Actually Stonum's punishment is infinitely bigger than Floyd's because Floyd received absolutely nothing. (If I'm wrong with my math theory please correct me.)
So, IMO we can still rip on Kelly and ND for that decision. Floyd's punishment did not fit his crime. Period. We don't even have to bring Stonum into the situation.
Those Who Stay...
August 7th, 2011 at 8:21 PM |
And to add to that, let's
And to add to that, let's
And to add to that, let's think about Hagerup in relation to Floyd.
Hagerup violated team rules, got suspended for the biggest game of the year.
He violated team rules again, strike 2, and gets 4 games.
Granted, we don't know what those violations were, but we do know he didn't get cited for anything. It would be public record if he did I'm pretty sure.
So then we have Floyd, who now has 3 strikes that were all cited by law enforcement, and he doesn't miss any game time.
I don't think I have to say anything further.
Those Who Stay...
August 7th, 2011 at 8:46 PM |
Not sure how these comments
Not sure how these comments
Not sure how these comments were considered "Trolling" but then again I don't really understand how the ranking system works in general.
Can someone explain it to me?
Those Who Stay...
August 7th, 2011 at 8:59 PM |
Again, can someone please
Again, can someone please
Again, can someone please explain to me how I am "Trolling" with my comments?
Or can the person who is labeling my comments this way please explain why?
Those Who Stay...
August 7th, 2011 at 9:05 PM |
It was probably
It was probably
Irish, or some other ND fan, downvoting you.
Yep, that's Simba made out of a pineapple.
Watch this and calm yourself a little. This kid can punt.
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