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Spring Football Bits is Suad Goals Comment Count

Seth May 3rd, 2021 at 9:27 AM

This has got to be our last one right? Here’s the offense, but I have some late-breaking bits to add. Some of that was from Steve Lorenz and Brice Marich on their recent podcast. The rest was from Harbaugh, either speaking to the Detroit Athletic Club, or when sharing the same information on Jansen’s pod that only us bits reporters listen to, and you don’t have to because one of those reporters is tireless transcriber Isaiah Hole of WolverinesWire. I left 90% of it at the link because you should be reading him.

  • QB: Via the DAC, Harbaugh seems legit excited for Cade. Villari’s playing some special teams. Harbaugh mentioned a special Run QB package for him.
  • RB: Corum and Haskins are co-starters, expect some Edwards packages. (via both Pod, DAC)
  • WR: Roman Wilson was banged up this spring, via the 24/7 podcast.
  • TE: Just gonna quote the DAC guy: “Erick All has really elevated himself.  He’s a great catcher.  Specifically said that he would be disappointed if he didn’t get 70-75 targets this year.  Also mentioned he could really block.”
  • OL: This is all from the pod: Zinter, Hayes, and Stueber have locked in OL jobs. Barnhart, Keegan, Filiaga, Vastardis, Rumler, and Trente Jones are the others in the mix, and Crippen got himself on the two-deep then Atteberry asserted himself. Lorenz said it felt like to him that Zinter’s heading towards starting there, and that Keegan is probably the leader at left guard. He too heard Willie Allen leaving was about getting passed by Trente Jones($), something I was guessing at earlier. Harbaugh admitted they have a scoring system for the OL and the versatility means they think they’ll end up going with the five highest scores.
  • In general: A lot of players missed time for contact tracing, some quite a lot of it. Nothing to be done.

The most interesting bit is Andrew Vastardis isn’t among the locks (and presumably not one of the top five scores). I agree with Lorenz: that can only mean they really want Zinter to pick up center. Gun to my head, the starters against WMU are (L->R) Hayes-Keegan-Zinter-Stueber-Barnhart, with Jones a darkhorse to pass Barnhart.

The parts about All are nice but probably just mean he’s still the starter. The stuff about Villari garners attention because he’s a quarterback, but it’s not hard to read this one: 1) Harbaugh likes how Villari practices and wants to reward it, and 2) They had three scholarship QBs this spring, two teams in the spring game, and most of the family members who saw practice couldn’t tell you much more of what they saw than who was under center.

Let’s do the D.

[After THE JUMP]

Defense Overall

What we want to hear:

What we’re hearing: My practice observer said they’re a LONG way from that. There was a lot of confusion on both teams on where they were trying to get lined up. The Blue team (coached by Gattis and Macdonald) was burning clock between snaps, possibly to let the defense figure it out.

He said what stood out to him is Macdonald is featuring his best player’s skills. This (my fault—I made an ass of ume) turned into a conversation about Dax Hill and things the Ravens wanted to do with Earl Thomas, but then he came back to this and said really he meant if you squint at the “OLB” position and imagine Aidan Hutchinson back there, that’s what he meant.

The only valuable thing I got from the insulting spring video is a tiny bit more evidence that “Multiple” means they’re a 3-4.

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Mike Morris (#90), previously an SDE, and Caden Kolesar (#35), a safety, are on the wings, with Jaylen Harrell (#32), an OLB/DE next to him (his arm is behind Kolesar in the still). Then Harrell comes.

What it means: It would have been nice to see the whole coverage but this is what they’re talking about with the “multiple” approach. Like the Ravens have for most of the last decade, I think Michigan wants to start with a lot of beef on the line of scrimmage. Most of the time that will mean three guys at 300 pounds or more lined up somewhere from one offensive tackle’s outside shoulder to the other’s. One of the more common alignments will be this:

In some nickel situations the nose will come out for what’s technically a 2-4-5, like Wisconsin does. Since the two “outside linebackers” are indiscernible from 4-3 defensive ends, you can just call it a nickel. In other nickel situations they’ll remove an inside linebacker, and you’ll get the 5-1-5. They’ll also have a dime where two of the big heavies are lifted, and we’ll call it a 1-5-5 even if it’s the same exact people Don Brown had on the field for his 3-3-5.

Defensive Tackle

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Local bear Mazi Smith had the right defense come to him. [Patrick Barron]

What we want to hear:

What we’re hearing: Michigan offered Illinois State transfer DT who chose Arkansas a few days later. It’s of interest only because this was the first name Michigan’s been associated with in the DT portal since making at run at PSU’s Antonio Shelton, but shows they still very much want help. I’m not going to get angry about the fact that Minnesota, Northwestern, and USC, all excellent academic institutions, don’t seem to have a problem with transferring credits from Clemson, Old Dominion, and Alabama, which are academic institutions.

Okay I am.

Sam Webb collated his defensive line notes($) into one insider article that focuses on Mazi Smith (had a solid spring), Hinton, and Jeter as the only scholarship DTs getting discussed, with walk-ons Jess Speight and Joey George apparently ahead of the rest. ITF agrees re: Smith:

This source was really impressed with defensive tackle Mazi Smith, too, saying he did a really nice job plugging the holes on the interior gaps. He also felt the Blue team had the more experienced guys up front, one of the reasons Cade McNamara had a better day Saturday.

The name not getting much mention all spring was Julius Welschof, at least until Harbaugh went on the Jansen pod:

“There’s guys like Mazi Smith – you talk about ascending really, really doing well. Mazi, Chris Hinton, Julius Welschof, Kris Jenkins, Jess Speight, Joey George had a heckuva good spring. And Donovan Jeter – veteran guy, staring at defensive tackle. That interior defensive line is really, really coming along. As I said, Mazi had a heckuva spring, and so did Chris and then the young players like Julius Welschof, Jenkins, to go along with Donovan Jeter. Feel like we’re getting stouter in the middle as well.”

Jack Stewart hasn’t been heard from since moving from guard.

What it means: It’s nice to hear Kris Jenkins has grown enough that he’s mentioned with the tackles, since that’s where his upside’s up, and we weren’t hoping for more than that this year. Welschof was coming along in Don Brown’s system, and you’d think a guy who was on the field as a 3-tech in that defense would translate to an off-tackle spot in this one. It makes more sense when you consider the Ravens have had a 350-pound dude as their off-tackle the last five years.

Clearly they’re worried about this position, especially regarding depth. They’ll keep working the transfer market, but if any of the freshmen can play they’ll be on the field.

Projected depth chart: I’ll make a box.

Left Tackle Nose Guard Right Tackle
Chris Hinton Mazi Smith Donovan Jeter
Jess Speight Chris Hinton Joey George
Julis Welschof Jack Stewart Kris Jenkins

Defensive End/OLB

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Butts wanted. [Barron]

What we want to hear:

What we’re hearing: Aidan Hutchinson has been out this spring with last year’s broken ankle, so that’s why we’re not hearing much from him. Nobody on the yellow team (Morris, Harrell) got to McNamara in the spring game but David Ojabo and Taylor Upshaw made things uncomfortable”($) for JJ McCarthy, though against mostly 2nd string OL. Upshaw got a few bat-downs my guy said.

Jaylen Harrell stood out to Sam Webb’s insider($):

The player I heard the most about in the front seven was Jaylen Harrell. He had a good day from his OLB spot. Really physical. He can rush the passer, but is comfortable standing up.

The other guy he’s hearing about a lot is Mike Morris at DE. It seems he was responsible for batting as many as four of McNamara’s passes. Rivals says Morris is OMG shirtless($)-ripped.

Jansen said on his podcast that he was “seeing” David Ojabo. It’s more interesting to me that Harbaugh mentioned the defensive ends first when asked about young guys stepping up: about young guys stepping up:

“Taylor Upshaw, Mike Morris, David Ojabo, Gabe Newburg, Jaylen Harrell and Braiden McGregor – those are players that were defensive ends that now are stand-up outside linebackers. Really, it fits their ability, fits their talent and I saw them make huge strides. Talk about their energy, talk about the fun of those guys – all young players, all ascending players in a new role that all really had good springs. That’s probably the best example.

What it means:

Harbaugh mentioned everybody. Upshaw, Morris and Newburg were guys Don Brown meant to grow into Anchor types once they grew some butts. Ojabo, Harrell, and McGregor were the more hybrid OLB/DE types who stood to benefit most from the move to a 3-4. The emergence of Mike Morris here was unexpected because I thought of that guy as a potential Chris Wormley.

I have a guess why we’re hearing more about big guys, and it goes back to those Ravens fronts. Baltimore’s method of moneyballing the salary cap has been to skimp on elite pass rushers:

While the Ravens allowed their productive pass-rushers to hit the open market, PFF’s Research and Development team was finalizing their thoughts on the actual value of pass-rushers, especially when compared to coverage players. Depending how much you were taught that football is won in the trenches, the results may have been counterintuitive, as strength on the back end proved to be more valuable than getting after the quarterback, and the Ravens’ team-building effort appeared to be following a similar blueprint.

The short version is the OLBs have to be excellent run-stopping edge defenders first, because they’re already positioned so that a B-level pass rusher can pick up plenty of sacks. My HTTV article gets into the why and what for, but I want you to start envisioning in your mind players like Aidan Hutchinson and Kwity Paye, not Jake Ryan or Josh Uche, as the ideal “OLB” in the new Michigan defense.

Projected depth chart: In order (side doesn’t matter yet): Hutchinson, Upshaw, Morris, a tie between Harrell/Ojabo, McGregor, Newburg, but in reality this is like a classic American League pennant race where the Yankees and Red Sox are locks to take the AL East and Wild Card berths, and there are five other teams going into September within three games of the other two division titles.

Linebacker

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Who says hybrids aren’t in fashion anymore? [Bryan Fuller]

What we want to hear:

What we’re hearing: Sam Webb wrote ten days ago that Michigan was “giving chase” in the hunt for Tennessee transfer LB Henry To’oto’o, but looks like they’ll finish third behind Ohio State and Alabama. The 24/7 staff believe Junior Colson “could be a star in the making” after a spring, with one of Sam Webb’s sources predicting All-American before he leaves.

Harbaugh had praise for his senior on the Jansen pod:

“Before we leave the defense, Josh Ross is also that kind of class, I would put him in there up with Aidan Hutchinson. Mike Barrett had an extremely good spring. Some real good, young linebackers came to the floor: Nikhai Hill-Green, Kalel Mullings and then mid-year freshman Junior Colson stood out.

That list does not include Cornell Wheeler or erstwhile viper Anthony Solomon. Also 2021 LB recruit Tyler McLaurin, whose season just wrapped up, is hearing there’s a chance he could contribute early this fall.

What it means:

This is about as bad as the talk can be without actually saying anything bad. Josh Ross really came apart last year and not acknowledging it makes me fear that’s because they don’t see a substantially different player. It’s clear he’s locked down his starting spot though, so they don’t much like what else they have. Barrett was the natural WLB candidate as last year’s Viper starter, but this is a much less straightforward role. It’s good that Colson is competing early, but when you read a true freshman’s on the two-deep before he’s supposed to be out of high school, that’s not great for anyone behind him. Also when the program thinks it has something to offer over two programs that can promise to be in the playoff, what else can that something be but a starting spot?

Projected depth chart: Again, an order because the positions are interchangeable: Josh Ross, Michael Barrett, please send help, Junior Colson, Nikhai Hill-Green, please help, Kalel Mullings, re-reading Jaydon Hood’s profile, watching Tyler McLaurin games, and the hope that this was a normal cost of this specific transition.

Safety & Nickel

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Preparing for takeoff. [Bryan Fuller]

What we want to hear:

What we’re hearing: Sam Webb’s been hearing Dax Hill’s been all over the place($).

What was most interesting was his usage. He played a lot of nickel today. I’m told he made five or six plays all from the nickel spot. It makes sense to use him there to take advantage of his outstanding versatility and the abundant talent in the safety room as a whole.

Multiple observers mentioned he jumped a route but dropped the INT. My friend said Dax has been doing “Peppers things.” That seems to track with ITF’s observation:

Dax Hill is going to be a stud. He was used in so many different ways, be it in the slot, or in nickel formations, setting the edge and making hits in the run game, and coming up in run support.

Brad Hawkins missed a bit of practice with an injury so RJ Moten (at strong safety) got some opportunity to earn a spot in the rotation with Makari Paige (at free). ITF notes the emergence of these guys is what’s allowing Dax to play more nickel.

Harbaugh in the Jansen pod:

“Dax Hill and Brad Hawkins – other guys that lead by example, had extremely good springs. Young safeties really asserted themselves. RJ Moten and Jordan Morant and Caden Kolesar and Makari Paige are all ascending as well on that defensive side.

What it means: There’s less nothing than the usual nothing being said here, but RJ Moten coming along enough that they’re comfortable playing three safeties is good news for him. Names not mentioned when Johnny Kolesar’s kid made this bits twice are probably not happening anytime soon.

Projected depth chart: Dax Hill and Brad Hawkins, with Paige and Moten the guys coming in when they play three safeties.

Cornerback

What we want to hear:

What we’re hearing:

Sam says Gemon Green has been the best corner in camp($), to the point where they’re pulling him to give younger guys more reps. Further evidence that he’s #1 with a bullet: Green got to represent the defense to the media, said the new coaches expect different things, that Linguist is teaching more NFL skills. There’s usually not much to learn from these, but Gemon is clearly new to it, which unintentionally created the most genuine five minutes from the program all offseason:

More Gemon please.

Meanwhile DJ Turner is coming for Vincent Gray’s job—from everybody it’s been neck and neck with the advantage Turner. Those three are clearly the top three corners. Isaiah Hole’s editorial thoughts on why he chose Gray over Turner on his depth chart are a good rundown of the battle in general:

Gray’s return as a starter isn’t as set as Green’s, especially with reports DJ Turner has really stepped up his game this spring. But Gray also improved in 2020, though it wasn’t nearly as apparent as it was for Green. The turnover in coaching doesn’t help Gray’s case either, as there are fresh eyes both at his position as well as at defensive coordinator.

There’s also this from Marich’s depth chart:

And then there's Turner, who has a blend of speed, technique and tenacity that make him a genuine candidate to start. It sounds like he missed some time during fall camp last year that may have cost him the starting job. If he can string together a few strong practices, he can make up some ground.

Gemon also mentioned his brother German Green has been moved to cornerback. Safety/viper Quinten Johnson was seen at cornerback($), getting beat on a fade to Cornelius Johnson. Jalen Perry has moved to safety, and I haven’t heard Sammy Faustin’s name since last year’s preseason hype. There were some rumors that Andre Seldon was considering entering the portal, but those got definitively squashed by Seldon’s dad. Balas said Seldon’s “had a nice spring.”($)

What it means:

Projected depth chart: Gemon Green

Comments

BlockM

May 3rd, 2021 at 9:40 AM ^

Harbaugh:

  • 1 drafted DE
  • 1 drafted OL
  • 1 drafted WR
  • 1 drafted CB
  • 1 drafted LB
  • 1 drafted FB
  • 1 drafted RB
  • 1 drafted Long Snapper

someone who is good at football please help me budget this. my family is dying.

uminks

May 3rd, 2021 at 1:57 PM ^

I think Michigan is number 8 of all div 1 schools, with the number of players drafted. If you combine the last 2 years they're in the top 5. Why are we not seeing better results in the W-L column. We have the talent to be a top 10 program.

MGoStrength

May 3rd, 2021 at 2:10 PM ^

Why are we not seeing better results in the W-L column. We have the talent to be a top 10 program.

A few things.  One we didn't have top 10 talent last year (or 2019 technically, but top 11). 

Two, there is a significant talent gap between top 3, which has been mostly Bama, OSU, & UGA and #4.  For example the difference between #1 (UGA) and #2 (Bama) was 5 pts out of 990 pts last year.  The difference between #3 (OSU) and #4 (Clemson) was 61 pts out of 976 pts.  There was very little difference between #6 (LSU at 873 pts) and #13 (PSU at 850 pts).  But, there is a big difference between #3 (OSU at 976 pts) and #10 (USC at 863 pts). 

And three, there is clearly a problem with JH and his staff.  Is the problem ID the right talent?  Is it the scheme/playcalling to put them in good positions to be successful?  Is JH running guys out of town with poor retention?  Is there too much assistant coaching turnover?  Or is there a developmental problem?  It could a combination of all them. 

The reality is even if UM is getting top 10 talent, they won't compete with OSU or Bama.  But, they should be competing with Wiscy & PSU like they did pre 2019.  I'm hoping this is just a brief hiatus to that, but I think there is some larger JH issue and he is not capable of maximizing his talent, even when he was top 7-9 talent as he was from 2015-2018.  

uminks

May 3rd, 2021 at 5:08 PM ^

Jim and his staff are actually doing a great job. If we are unable to get top 10 talent, yet produce a large number of NFL players, then there must be good player development. Jim's problem is his playbook is stuck in the 70s and 80s, thought he is trying to strive towards the modern game. All I know is the tempo on offense better pick up.

MGoStrength

May 3rd, 2021 at 6:33 PM ^

If we are unable to get top 10 talent, yet produce a large number of NFL players, then there must be good player development. 

No, you've got it wrong.  We ARE generally able to get top 10 talent, yet never maximize it.  The draft is not about production, it's about potential.  Here are a few of JH's highest ranked recruits:

  • Rashan Gary: Composite #1 overall, 1st round pick, modest college production
  • Brandon Peters: Composite #61, transfer
  • Devin Asiasi: Composite #71, transfer
  • Kareem Walker: Composite #107, transfer
  • DPJ: Composite #12, 6th round pick, modest college production
  • Aubrey Solomon: Composite #23, transfer
  • Luiji Vilain: Composite #57, transfer
  • Drew Singleton: Composite #79, transfer
  • Jordan Anthony: Composite #106, transfer
  • Chuck Filiaga: Composite #112, modest college production
  • Tarik Black: Composite #116, transfer
  • Dylan McCaffrey: Composite #123, transfer
  • Zach Charbonnet: Composite #46, transfer
  • Chris Hinton: Composite #31, modest college production to date
  • Mazi Smith: Composite #105, modest college production to date
  • We've already heard rumblings of potential transfers in Nolan Rumler & Andre Sledon both of whom are composite top 200 guys.

There has to be something wrong there with talent identification otherwise you'd see guys like Peters, Walker, Solomon, Singleton, etc. being successful other places.  Some are starting, some are not, but none are all conference players anywhere.  You see the same theme over and over again...good recruiting (on paper), good talent, solid results albeit underachieving, good drafts.  Based on recruiting and drafts you'd expect to finish in the top 5-10 in the post season polls, but they never do.  They are consistently more in the 10-20 range during their good 9-10-win seasons and unranked in '17 and '20.

Jim's problem is his playbook is stuck in the 70s and 80s, thought he is trying to strive towards the modern game.

Agreed, but Gattis was supposed to fix that and has yet to do so.

All I know is the tempo on offense better pick up.

We all know this and remain dumbfounded as to why we do not use it.  The only explanation is the QB can't handle it or make enough plays to keep drives alive to use it.

MGoStrength

May 4th, 2021 at 8:22 AM ^

I don’t think we can use recruiting ranks to establish that JH gets good talent and then claim that he has something is wrong in talent identification.  If he’s getting good talent, then he’s ID’ing talent.

To put my argument into better context, if it was not obvious I am using recruiting rankings as a measurement of talent and college production as the measurement of coaching, development, and IDing the talent.  So, if a guy is a top recruit, but fails to produce at the college level I am assuming more often than not that the problem is coaching, whether that be IDing the right players, developing them, and/or retaining them.  So, a guy like DPJ would be talented based on his recruiting profile, but poorly utilized and/or developed based on his modest production.  However, guys like Kareem Walker and Drew Singleton while also talented as based on their recruiting profiles were probably poorly IDed as evident by not only their lack of success at UM, but their lack of success wherever they transferred to.  The reality is those guys are probably athletic, which shows up on their HS tape and they have the measurables such as height, weight, and 40 times, but they are not great football players and struggle to be successful in college where other guys are more similarly matched in terms of size, strength, and speed.  So, I think those are problems with IDing the talent.  

I've noticed that many of the top 100 types we get don't live up to expectations whereas many of the 3-stars we get exceed them.  At other places like OSU, their top recruits produce at a higher percentage.  UM's top recruits under JH are Gary, Dax Hill, DPJ, & Solomon.  I'd say so far only Dax is living up to expectations.  OSU's top recruits during the same time span are Nick Bosa, NPF, Chase Young, & Jeff Okaduh.  I'd say three of those 4 have lived up to expectations.  Our best players need to be our top recruits to be more successful.  The Gary's, DPJ's, Dax Hill's, Solomon's, and McCarthy's need to produce like Chase Young or the Bosas, Garrett Wilson, Marshon Lattimore, & Dwayne Haskins for UM to be more successful.  We can't be missing on our top recruits at positions in a given year like Drew Singleton & Luiji Vilain and instead developing our lesser ranked guys like Josh Ross and Kwity Paye.  That will never lead to success unless we recruit a heck of a lot more top 100 guys.

Dr. Funkenstein

May 4th, 2021 at 3:54 AM ^

I think you are forgetting the offenses of the first few Harbaugh years where he would run all kinds of clever sets out of heavy run packages...You may have known it would be a run, but it was never quite where you were expecting it to and he consistently found creative formations to create lanes....He ran this kind of stuff at Stanford to if I recall, though having Andrew Luck makes anything you run look pretty good... That went away either because it got figured out or he stopped innovating when he had more responsibilities as head coach.... Now we are into either thump it into the line or run some awful version of the spread with a QB who won't keep the ball and can't find or can't hit open receivers.  The number of high recruits who haven't done much or underachieved is the most concerning thing as we are recruiting way more talent than the record suggests.  About the only really really positive thing you can say about Harbaugh at this point is that the Patriots keep taking UM players.  The tempo thing makes no sense to any of us.  How can every mid-level program and up seem to run this, but UM cannot?  It's not like the hurry-up is new or that it's only run by Death Star programs, just a basic package for a common game situation that UM is completely incapable of running.

Michigan4Life

May 3rd, 2021 at 5:08 PM ^

The difference is the quality of players drafted. The majority of them are pretty much late day 2 to day 3 picks compared to Bama or Clemson where they have more players drafted on day 1 and early day 2.

 

Bring that quality up to day 1 and early day 2 then Michigan is a national title contender. The biggest difference is Michigan really don't have a QB to do so. That's Harbaugh's biggest handicap as a coach for Michigan.

MGoStrength

May 3rd, 2021 at 6:53 PM ^

The biggest difference is Michigan really don't have a QB to do so. That's Harbaugh's biggest handicap as a coach for Michigan.

The unfortunate reality is the hit rate on blue chip QBs is only like 25%.  JH is about on track if you call Ruddock and '18 Patterson a hit and Malzone, Speight, JOK, Peters, Patterson '19, McCaffrey, and Milton misses.  You could call Speight '16 or Patterson '19 a draw.  Now we're waiting on McNamara & McCarthy.  Those might be his last two opportunities unless something drastic changes.  The frustration is that OSU just keeps hitting and no one seems to miss as bad as we did in '17 and '20.

MGoStrength

May 4th, 2021 at 10:57 AM ^

He seemed to be progressing until his injury at Purdue but was never the same after that.

I don't believe his statistics in the games leading up to his injury support that stance, even against teams with losing records.  Take a look:

  • Florida: 11/25, 181 yds, 1 TD, 2 INTs (Florida finished 4-7 in '17)
  • Cincy: 17/29, 221 yds, 2 TDs (Cincy finished 4-8)
  • Air Force: 14/23, 169 yds, (Air Force finished 5-7)

Totals: 44/81, 54%, 3 TDs, 2 INTs, 122 passer rating

MaizeBlueA2

May 5th, 2021 at 6:52 AM ^

You want pain? Imagine if everyone comes back.

Okay, well that's unrealistic.  But what about the guys like Kemp? There's your additional 300 lb DL. McGrone...there's your MLB alongside Ross. Ambry Thomas...now you have a CB with Green.

Harbaugh has a ton of qualities...but something he's always had is he wears on you. While Austin Davis is considering coming back for an 11th year and Franz Wagner gave giving up a lottery spot for even ONE second, to play for Howard. Harbaugh, even if you love him, he wears you down until you're ready to move on...even if no hard feelings. 

I'm not talking Paye, Mayfield and Collins...obviously those guys change everything for this team. Mason was positionless with only so many more hits on his body. Chris Evans got 16 carries last year...I get those guys.

But you have to keep McGrone another year, Kemp may be an Austin Davis type of situation except Davis can go play pro overseas for a few years. Kemp's career is probably all but over. If he comes back one more year, he's still an UFA getting a shot in someone's camp.

Thomas has to be your steal, the one you say...you can be a 4th rounder now or come back and be a top 20 pick. You have to get one of those every now and again. A Hardaway Jr. back for his 3rd year, Livers this season. Or even ELI BROOKS (even those Brooks wasn't getting drafted).

You have to get some of those.

Dr. Funkenstein

May 3rd, 2021 at 9:52 AM ^

Well after reading that, other than no top end DL's LB's or CB's we seem to be doing pretty well and I'm sure Aidan Hutchison and Dax Hill will easily cover for the other 9 guys on the field....

pkatz

May 3rd, 2021 at 9:57 AM ^

Michigan football will be bad again in 2021, like really bad, and Harbaugh shouldn’t have the kind of Covid-induced latitude he received in 2020.

I imagine Harbaugh will be given the benefit of doubt due to defensive staff/alignment transition costs this season, but his ineptitude will be fully laid bare in 2022, at which time he will be mercifully replaced. 

MGoStrength

May 3rd, 2021 at 2:31 PM ^

One losing season in seven years. That's "inept". After seven years where we were nearly .500.

The definition of success shouldn't be how many winning seasons a coach had.  It should be what he did with what he had to work with.  JH has had a lot of talent to work with and has had so so results with it.  Here are JH's final rankings in the polls compared to the Team Talent Composite

  • 2015: Talent #9, Ranking #12
  • 2016: Talent #8, Ranking #10
  • 2017: Talent #7, Ranking #unranked
  • 2018: Talent #8, Ranking #14
  • 2019: Talent #11, Ranking #18
  • 2020: Talent #17, Ranking #unranked

When evaluating this, JH never wins at a level even or better than his talent.  Now, I'm not convinced that's a huge problem, but 2017 and 2020 are problems.  If you combine that with the retention issues, development issues, and assistant turnover I think it indicates there is a problem.  I can see giving him a mulligan for '20, but if he has a losing season in '21, unless there are major strides the second half of the season or some big bright spots like a signature win over OSU or something, I think it's probably time for a change.  I don't think UM has to accept mediocre results just because RR and Hoke gave us a few bad years.  I think UM can expect more and there are plenty of guys out there that can put together a staff that can recruit top 10 talent and get a little better results.  I'd be perfectly happy to let Wade show JH the door if he goes 5-7 next year, but would hope guys like Bellomy, Hart, Moore, & Morgan are retained.

Vote_Crisler_1937

May 3rd, 2021 at 8:53 PM ^

So many good points in this comment stream. There is no good reason Michigan should have to exist between 7-5 and 10-3. None. Forget about ties to Michigan too. Just go get the next great coach and build the program resources where they need to be. Michigan has done it with Yost and Crisler now they need to do it in the current era. 
 

Harbaugh was brought here with all the right intentions (championships, beating OSU with consistency) and then suddenly the program looks like it’s content to settle at 10-3 or worse despite initially paying the biggest money around to be better than that. 

uminks

May 4th, 2021 at 3:28 AM ^

I think the 2016 loss to OSU was a real dong punch to Harbaugh. After that season and having no talent on the OL in 2017, he seemed to lose that Harbaugh excitement of 2015-16, and was probably looking forward to the NFL the past 3 years. Now that the NFL does not want him, may be he will take his Michigan HC job more seriously.

MGoStrength

May 4th, 2021 at 8:32 AM ^

I think the 2016 loss to OSU was a real dong punch to Harbaugh. After that season and having no talent on the OL in 2017, he seemed to lose that Harbaugh excitement of 2015-16, and was probably looking forward to the NFL the past 3 years. 

Really?  I thought he did a good job of coming back in 2018.  IMO it was the 2018 blowout that really hurt the program and the psychology of the team when they were expecting to win going in.  It makes you wonder, what it will ever take to beat them?  I think they bounced back and recovered from '16/'17.  They almost beat a really good FSU team in the Orange Bowl and probably would have if Peppers played.  I don't think they recovered from '18.  They got their asses kicked by Florida in the bowl game after the OSU loss and haven't looked the same since.

schreibee

May 4th, 2021 at 12:15 PM ^

The 2016 osu game was a dong punch to us ALL, and the reason JH may have never been quite the same since is we were so clearly jobbed by the refs (not just "the spot" but throughout the game - osu got called for 2 penalties for a total of 6 yards in a 2OT game) and when he called it out & demanded accountability he was essentially ignored & told to shut up. 

Now that's 5 years ago, and is no longer any kind of valid excuse for what happened vs osu in '18 & '19, msu in '17 & '20, wiscy in too many games. 

If that was a dong punch, when does he get over it? (I never will, but they're not paying me serious coin either)

The lists we've seen in these comments contrasting the rankings of some of his top croots vs their production is damning! And unacceptable. 

I'm torn between outrage about how the Worthy enrollment was botched & resignation that in 3 years I'd have been saying "how did we never get production from that guy?!" as he was drafted top 40 ?‍♂️

Bo Harbaugh

May 3rd, 2021 at 10:00 AM ^

Last year, Erick All couldn't catch a fish if it jumped in the boat and fell in his cooler.

Guy was so uninspiring.  Meanwhile we had the likes of Nico and DPJ 2 years ago getting like 2 targets a game.  Nico was an auto pass interference when not coming down with jump balls.

This program's assessment of talent, strategy, and approach is beyond exhausting.  Really excited to see Erick All get 5 targets a game on 3 yard outs where he either drops it, gets dropped in place, or breaks a tackle for a 7 yard gain once a game.  

Gulogulo37

May 3rd, 2021 at 11:05 AM ^

Just went to his recruiting page and actually it's repeatedly stated in there that he has excellent hands. Good reason to think he can get past it.

https://www.mgoblog.com/content/2019-recruiting-erick-all

There were some indications that it was in his head last year. Who knows if he will actually be that much better this year, but if he can catch that would be huge for this team. Sure the playcalling sucked, but having a good TE is not just 70s manball. He moves well and he's already a way better blocker than Eubanks was. He'll be a complete TE if he can catch like he did in HS.

Vote_Crisler_1937

May 3rd, 2021 at 8:58 PM ^

We always want to rely on the recruiting profile for hope when a guy is in his 3rd year in the program.

I haven’t seen any reason for that hope with any player in a long time. Seemed like in the Carr era the light would go on for 3-5th year players and we would see how their recruiting profile translated to program wins. Maybe saw a little of that under Hoke but it’s disappeared now.  

Gulogulo37

May 4th, 2021 at 12:12 AM ^

??? You act like 3rd year is a long time. He barely played as a freshman, as expected. Then he had one very shortened season in a shitty pandemic year. Also, it's not like talk about his hands is the same as hoping for a guy to pan out based on projecting his body type if he fills out or something like that.

Dr. Funkenstein

May 4th, 2021 at 4:04 AM ^

of all the things to be concerned about in the UM program, our meh TE with decent physical skills going into his upperclassman years has to be one of the least concerning.....lots of players make significant leaps in their last two years and at least he's a solid option.  There's giant holes in the roster on defense where we aren't capable of fielding mid-level B1G talent, new outside receivers that either may not make the leap or may not see the ball even if they are open (who's excited for our passing game featuring mainly 5 yard hook routes and slants to Ronnie Bell) and some young lineman who we haven't seen do anything yet.  As long as All isn't actively terrible, I don't see the TE position impacting this team much.

ak47

May 3rd, 2021 at 10:03 AM ^

The Ravens ability to turn mediocre pass rushers into pressure requires the ability to leave cornerbacks one on one. Its not going to work that way this year.

HateSparty

May 3rd, 2021 at 12:55 PM ^

It may work that way.  The product may not end the same, however.  It will be interesting, at least.  Bama fans must be bored as hell knowing they will be top three again this year with elite talent all over the field.  What fun is that?  Poor bastards.

mGrowOld

May 3rd, 2021 at 10:04 AM ^

It's gonna be a long, long year I'm afraid.  

Did anyone read the article that posted this weekend in the Athletic on the decline and fall of MSU football, specifically how the latter years of Dantonio and his archaic method of recruiting led to their overall talent depletion?  

I fear a very similar article will be written on Michigan's football program next year.   This is very bad.

mgobaran

May 3rd, 2021 at 10:37 AM ^

Big difference is that Dantonio doubled down and re-shuffled the chairs on the Titanic. Harbaugh just replaced 50% of his coaching staff, and completely overhauled the recruiting team/strategy.

Don't get me wrong. This year is going to suck; 8-4 will be a miracle imo. I've lost all faith in Harbaugh and his ability to coach this program to a successful season. I just don't think our situation and the one outlined above re: Dantonio is comparable.