the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection
Sonic Survey Results
Filed under:
After about a week we had just over 3000 responses, 2983 of them male and 120 female. We are all dudes.
Age
- high school or younger: 16
- undergraduate: 287
- 22-34: 1874
- 34-49: 760
- over 49: 166
Attendance
- Student: 283
- All or almost all games: 659
- A few games a year: 1173
- Every once in a while: 920
- Never: 68
If anyone wants the full dataset it is available as a csv here.
Graphs? Graphs. I had to shorten some of the Qs so they'd fit on the axis.
Piped In Music: If And When
AFTER THE JUMP: DO PEOPLE LIKE POP EVIL OR NOT?
ings To Play Or Not Play
Volume And Band Stuff
Jumbotron Matters
October 5th, 2011 at 11:12 AM | 
Good work
Good work
October 5th, 2011 at 11:15 AM |
No, we have evidence that the
No, we have evidence that the
No, we have evidence that the majority of people that filled out an online survey don't like Journey, Neil Diamond, and Pop Evil. There is a pretty big difference in those statements.
Are you a park ranger at Yellowstone? Say hi to Yogi Bear for me. - the_big_house 500th
I may not be a 70 year old man. - Herm
October 5th, 2011 at 11:19 AM |
Beat me to the draw, Dave.
Beat me to the draw, Dave.
Beat me to the draw, Dave.
"Come on, you Wolverines!"
October 5th, 2011 at 11:18 AM |
"They are actively choosing
"They are actively choosing
"They are actively choosing something that the majority of Michigan fans disapprove of."
Well, we have empirical evidence that Brandon and his marketing employees are choosing something the respondents to this survey disapprove of. I'm not sure we speak for the entirety of the Michigan fanbase (although it would be nice to think that we do). The sample, however, is not really random.
"Come on, you Wolverines!"
October 5th, 2011 at 12:54 PM |
Agreed
Agreed
I completely agree with this.
I really don't think the survey proves all that much with regards to the Michigan fanbase as a whole. Especially in regards to ITBH, the readers of this blog have a pretty biased opinion because of the constant whining about it.
Another point--people seem to love the idea of having music unique to Michigan Stadium. Thats exactly what ITBH is!!!
October 5th, 2011 at 1:05 PM |
Yeah, there seem to be some
Yeah, there seem to be some
Yeah, there seem to be some logical inconsistencies here. We want "unique" music but also want "SNA" and "Lose Yourself," which aren't even remotely so.
October 5th, 2011 at 3:08 PM |
You can like those because they're cool
You can like those because they're cool
And want to find the NEXT SNA type song that everyone will copy after you, and be the first to make it "your own".
The problem is, of course, that with music any suggestion or song adopted will be pissed on by half the people listening to it. (Unless, apparently, you're a European soccer crowd, then you're so drunk you'll sing along to anything).
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
October 5th, 2011 at 5:26 PM |
ITBH may be an example of
ITBH may be an example of
ITBH may be an example of music unique to Michigan Stadium, but the song is awful. I like home cooked meals, but I don't eat dry meatloaf. I don't know what the food equivalent is of ITBH, but it's worse than dry meatloaf. So, I don't see the ITBH/unique musci conundrum as a logic fail. It's just an awful, awful song.
When people say they want music unique to Michigan Stadium, they aren't thinking of a more generic version of Nickleback. Probably something more along the lines of our own "Jump Around." I know that's played outside of Camp Randal, but Wisconsin owns it. There are a billion songs better than ITBH that aren't commonplace in college stadiums. We just need to pick a couple and make them our own. If we're going to have piped-in music, we should develop our own musical traditions. There are many available genres, but I would prefer if they stayed away from country or generic sounding rock.
Whammy!
October 5th, 2011 at 11:37 AM |
no, we have evidence that the
no, we have evidence that the
no, we have evidence that the majority of mgoblog readers disapprove. we don't know whether mgoblog readers are representative of michigan fans, generally.
October 5th, 2011 at 11:13 AM |
Next question, is an online
Next question, is an online
Next question, is an online survey through mgoblog a representative sample of the Michigan fanbase?
Are you a park ranger at Yellowstone? Say hi to Yogi Bear for me. - the_big_house 500th
I may not be a 70 year old man. - Herm
October 5th, 2011 at 11:18 AM |
No.
No.
An online survey through mgoblog is a representative sample of the Michigan fanbase that matters most.
Michigan's offensive style requires more players that have greater interactions with the Higgs field.
October 5th, 2011 at 11:31 AM |
Not to Dave Brandon it's not.
Not to Dave Brandon it's not.
Not to Dave Brandon it's not. Unless a majority of those 3000+ are wealthy boosters. For Brandon it's always going to be a business first and foremost. And honestly, it's hard to blame the guy. You hire a guy for specific reasons and the administration clearly hired him to help rebrand Michigan athletics. If that wasn't the goal of the administration he wouldn't be here.
October 5th, 2011 at 2:04 PM |
Brandon Hired To Re-Brand?
Brandon Hired To Re-Brand?
You hire a guy for specific reasons and the administration clearly hired him to help rebrand Michigan athletics.
That's a pretty broad statement. Let me ask what you base this on.
I recognize that Brandon has - post hiring - prattled on occasionally about "the brand" etc., and seems a bit fixated on marketing issues. And it's troubling to a lot of us.
That stated, it's a bit of a leap to say that the administration hired him to "rebrand Michigan athletics." It seems to me that his overall CEO experience, Michigan ties, and Michigan pedigree are what got him hired. And it seems to me he got hired to fix a broken football program and otherwise manage Michigan athletics since Bill Martin was stepping down.
You may have information I lack, so I'm asking the question sincerely. Just curious as to the basis for your assertion.
- "Of course I care about that stuff. To the point of irrationality. It will always be Michigan first, cancer second." Jim Mandich (RIP)
October 5th, 2011 at 11:51 AM |
respectfully disagree
respectfully disagree
the most important question not asked is whether the athletes on the field like what we are piping in..
Even though ITBH, Lose Yourself, Seven Nation Army, etc seem to be cliche, the players MUST get pretty amped up when 110K+ sing along. In today's world, we will never see a unique piped in song for more than a week, unless it is as specific as ITBH. So the metric should really be whether the music is uplifting (ie 7 Nation, etc), or ridiculous (Neil, Journey).
Frankly, the only reason Don't Stop Believin' is piped is for 2 words
October 5th, 2011 at 12:30 PM |
Where did we get the wacky
Where did we get the wacky
Where did we get the wacky idea that what the athletes like is the most important thing? I want the players to be happy, but players don't pay for their tickets. Fans do. So if fans don't like something, that's bad, even if the players like it.
And anyway, the players probably like a raucous environment more than anything. The best way to create that is by keeping the fans happy.
October 5th, 2011 at 12:34 PM |
Correction:
Best way to do
Correction:
Best way to do
Correction:
Best way to do that is allow alcohol sales in the big house.
That is another debate entirely though.
October 5th, 2011 at 12:33 PM |
Yeah everyone sure loves them
Yeah everyone sure loves them
Yeah everyone sure loves them some Canada.
If you're doing nothing, how do you know when you're finished?
October 5th, 2011 at 1:06 PM |
ND doesn't do any of this
ND doesn't do any of this
ND doesn't do any of this stuff and pulled Top 10 recruiting classes under Weis. Also their players seem pumped to play most of the time. At least up until they commit back breaking mistakes.
Honestly if you have to use "We pump in some regional band whose mascara budget exceeds that of the local whorehouse" as a recruiting tool, it's a bad sign. Coaching, NFL development, academics, those should sell. Not "We play RAWK!".
October 5th, 2011 at 2:52 PM |
i cannot agree more
i cannot agree more
or I would.
I've said it elsewhere. The day I hear of a recruit coming to Michigan because he likes "In the Big House" or some such, I will go drown myself in the nearest tube of True Blue Raw Hair Dye (available at Hot Topic)
Because really, that line is the silliest way of selling "RAWK" to the Michigan Fan Base. A few yahoos actually think it helps with the players or something and so they put up with it.
Seriously. The song and the Band are a disgrace. It's on par with that absolutely godawful "April in the D" song from a few years back by the GR act "Good Luck Joes". There's no way in hell it attracts a single viable player...ever.
and if I appeared first as an elderly man and not as a young one
October 5th, 2011 at 2:56 PM |
Should vs. Do attract 18 year olds (football players)
Should vs. Do attract 18 year olds (football players)
Besides hy headline sounding creepy, check out this diary:
http://mgoblog.com/diaries/mad-magicians-marketing
Lots of interesting discussions from marketing professionals. One interesting idea is you have to do things to "Recruit Talent" if your players are employees. Many companies offer great pay/benefits, etc. Michigan offers Coaching, Development, etc. but some 18 year olds want to go to oregon because the uniforms are sweet. Some go to OSU for free tattoos. I think DB wants us to be on the same level as other schools, where we say "we have fun unis too! we have night games too! we have XYZ too!"
"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"
October 5th, 2011 at 11:20 AM |
Or even further
Or even further
Are the responses on an MGoBlog survey representative of the whole MGoBlog readerbase?
October 5th, 2011 at 11:27 AM |
While you guys are right that
While you guys are right that
While you guys are right that this is not a scientific survey in any way, the responses to other questions seem to make it clear that this is not a band of Great Tradition zealots who just hate everything. They seem to hate one specific thing.
Maybe that's the influence of the blog but if that was as effective as I want it to be a lot of these answers would be different.
October 5th, 2011 at 11:29 AM |
The scientist in me just
The scientist in me just
The scientist in me just warns you to be careful about drawing to big of a conclusion from this survey next time you beat your drum about piped in music. Carry on.
Are you a park ranger at Yellowstone? Say hi to Yogi Bear for me. - the_big_house 500th
I may not be a 70 year old man. - Herm
October 5th, 2011 at 11:50 AM |
True, but what unrepresented group likes ITBH?
True, but what unrepresented group likes ITBH?
I completely agree this is not a scientific survey so too big of conclusions should not be drawn. However, it is likely that the group who would like Pop Evil is the group that took this survey: males, 18-40. Thus, it is quite likely the anti-ITBH drum can be beat with authority.
I mean, do we think the over 50 year old crowd sitting in the suites/club seats were saying to Brandon, "You know Dave, I could really go over for some warmed over Nickelback. Any way you can put that over the speakers? Particularly when the team is getting ready to come onto the field? Thanks."
The only group not in the survey that potentially would like ITBH are young women, and again, that's very likely not Pop Evil's core constituency (though, to be fair w/ their type of music, I'm sure they have some women in their fan base - it's not like they are Rush or Slayer*)
* Trust me on the Rush and Slayer. I like those bands and I've been to their concerts and they are generally dude-fests.
It only ends once. Anything that happens before that, is just progress.
October 5th, 2011 at 11:59 AM |
Under-represented group
Under-represented group
As an elitist dick, I feel comfortable saying that the survey was probably completed by a disproportionately low number of really, really stupid people.
[And yes, people who don't share my taste in music are by definition stupid.]
October 5th, 2011 at 1:37 PM |
I voted for
I voted for
...Hank, the angry, drunken dwarf, too.
October 6th, 2011 at 12:19 AM |
One very important
One very important
One very important unrepresented group is youth. DB has said many times he thinks it is important to create an environment which kids will enjoy. That was behind the whole mascot talk this summer. It would be interesting to see how ITBH rates with the 12 and under crowd.
"Anyone who isn't confused, really doesn't understand the situation." - Edward R. Murrow
October 5th, 2011 at 11:40 AM |
Note to self: Brian hates
Note to self: Brian hates
Note to self: Brian hates everything, not just one specific thing.
October 6th, 2011 at 12:16 AM |
One thing to be aware of, the
One thing to be aware of, the
One thing to be aware of, the conclusion you draw is also a direct result of the nature of the survey. i.e. the way the questions were asked, and the specific nature of the options, dictate a specific style of outcome. Not really going to harp on it, because it's your blog.
Also, creating a good survey takes a lot of work and experience. I work with very talented marketers and I still have to work very hard to help them understand how to create truly non-directional unbiased research.
"Anyone who isn't confused, really doesn't understand the situation." - Edward R. Murrow
October 5th, 2011 at 11:55 AM |
well, it's a sample of a
well, it's a sample of a
well, it's a sample of a segment. While we can't neccesarily extrapolate onto the fanbase as a whole, I see no harm in doing the survey and conveying the numbers.
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
October 5th, 2011 at 12:51 PM |
It's probably not all that
It's probably not all that
It's probably not all that representative, simply because the age demographic here is considerably younger than the average fan at the stadium. I would guess that the average non-student at a Michigan game is at least 40, and probably closer to 50.
October 5th, 2011 at 12:24 PM |
Some of my opinions
Some of my opinions
because I know people will be waiting with bated breath for them.
- On the volume of the piped music: It tends to fluctuate, drastically at times. About half the time it is about right, half the time WAY TOO LOUD. The most annoying part is that you can hear them changing the volume up and down. This is understandable with the band since you cannot always determine how the mics will pick up the sound (and the band music can never be too loud), but unacceptable with the piped in music.
- ITBH: I don't think this song would be so bad if it was just some promo song, but when you associate a makeup wearing band you've never heard of with it, it really makes it cheesy. If this was a nameless, faceless band, I don't think I would mind it as much. Still inifnitely worse than the Victors tho.
- Corporate events: I am not surprised at how that is skewed! Given the anti-Brandon-Corporations-Acting-Corporation-y sentiment that is often voiced around here, it really makes sense. I don't mind it, but its no shocker a lot of people here do.
Deep under cover in THE enemy's territory
October 5th, 2011 at 3:13 PM |
Worse than The Victors
Worse than The Victors
Worse than The Victors tho?
Wow, I always thought The Victors was great...
not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user
October 5th, 2011 at 11:19 AM |
As a lacrosse alum, "phew" to
As a lacrosse alum, "phew" to
As a lacrosse alum, "phew" to some of those responses. Thanks for throwing us a bone on the other sport promos.
As a football fan, it seems that I am generally in line with the majority in this very scientifically sound survey. I want to know who decided that "In the Big House" was a good idea.
October 5th, 2011 at 11:19 AM |
In The Big House
In The Big House
That's a whole lot of "STRONGLY DISAGREE" right there.
I wonder how much the new CMO would've paid Gallup or someone to provide this market research. Nice job.
October 5th, 2011 at 11:23 AM |
Even more so for
Even more so for
"when played coming out of the tunnel".
I mean, come on Ath. Dept., can't we agree on that at least?
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
October 5th, 2011 at 11:27 AM |
50/50 split
50/50 split
Although if you look at it, it's split nearly 50/50 between those that "don't like/strongly don't like" and "neutral/like/strongly like" groups. That's not an overwhelming majority that don't like the song.
October 5th, 2011 at 11:31 AM |
Well, on that note
Well, on that note
Who are the 219 people that love 'IN THE BIG HOUSE??' I would attribute that to a poll blitz from Pop Evil's street team, but I'm not sure they have a street team, let alone 219 fans. Dude.
October 5th, 2011 at 11:58 AM |
They were probably confused
They were probably confused
They were probably confused by the question and actually meant they 'strongly agree' that the song is awful.
It's the only logical explanation.
October 5th, 2011 at 12:04 PM |
I'm one of the 219 people!
I'm one of the 219 people!
I love the energy that song has. Good luck finding the other 218 now that the results are out.
BTW, I'd never heard of Pop Evil before that song came out.
"I promise you we would have walked to the University of Michigan." - Brady Hoke
October 5th, 2011 at 12:17 PM |
I was one of the 219 that
I was one of the 219 that
I was one of the 219 that strongly liked ITBH as a song. I'm a Victors Club member, have tickets in the Jack Roth Club and do like the song. I did even (for $1.29) buy the song to have on my iPhone to blast at 6 am when I pull into the Blue Lot to set up my tailgate.
I do however do not like ITBH when the team takes that field, This should always be The Victors from the band.
In general all of the piped music, including the band, is terriblely loud in the jack roth club. You cannot adjust the volume and it is way too loud.
Go Blue!
October 5th, 2011 at 2:25 PM |
Well
Well
It's suspiciously similar to the amount of 5 star ratings/likes that song has on Itunes isn't it?
tinfoil hat ENGAGED.
October 5th, 2011 at 12:11 PM |
You can't include the neutral with the likes
You can't include the neutral with the likes
It's 400 people that enjoy in the big house when the team takes the field.
400 out of 3000 ENJOY IT. That's not a good percentage. And the Likes to the Hates is like 1-4. The neutrals are just that neutral.
He only got the job because he's a Michigan Man not because he was the best. Is that what Michigan is all about? You do the best, you get the job. This MM meme is crap.
October 5th, 2011 at 1:33 PM |
It's only a 5 second clip of ITBH
It's only a 5 second clip of ITBH
...between the video and MMB cue. I cringe every time they do it. It's simply disrespectful of the MMB and the fans. Period. This is Michigan fergodsakes, not MSU.
Cutting out THAT specific 5 seconds of piped-in music will go farther to satisfy the masses than any other change.
October 5th, 2011 at 11:29 AM |
I should say
I should say
When I said Gallup, I was referring to the market intelligence consulting group, not the special teams secret weapon hybrid clone developed by Coach Hoke from Will Hagerup/Jeremy Gallon DNA. Not that Gallup.
October 5th, 2011 at 11:48 AM |
to be fair,
to be fair,
this is not measuring what they would measure. A more formal survey would include questions like these:
- About how much money do you spend on Michigan athletics in a given year?
- How likely are you to increase the amount you spend in the next year?
- Which of these factors is most important to you when considering how much you would spend?
It would, as suggested below, also include some sort of random sampling ... the nice thing for the athletic department is that online surveys generally skewing toward more affluent people isn't an issue, given that those are the target audience of this marketing in the first place. (That's probably less true with respect to surveys about college activities in general. It would be interesting to find out what percentage of ticketholders have less than a college education and are not working on getting one.)
That being said, there's no guarantee that a) Gallup or a competitor would present the data to the marketing group in a way that would clearly explain what issues need to be addressed (for that matter, the CMO might ask for the data and have in-house people use it) or that b) Brandon would listen to what the results showed. Clients have a funny way of making the numbers say what they want them to say, no matter how you word the reports that present those numbers.
October 5th, 2011 at 11:22 AM |
Great research
Great research
Granted, a selected sample, but still good info. Some of it actually surprised me. More "Neutrals" than I was expecting.
Brian - what do you plan to do with this? Can your sources etc. get it to the AD? Is it more just justification for those of us who don't like ITBH?
"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"
October 5th, 2011 at 11:25 AM |
So taking a quick look my
So taking a quick look my
So taking a quick look my immediate reaction is people like piped in RAWK music but it should be local (ie, the White Stripes and Eminem). Peeps aren't AMPED UP YO about Pop Evil or Journey or Neil Diamond. Maybe due to the age of the people who replied they'd be more inclined to like Kanye (All of the Lights), or Jay-Z (Run this town), or possibly some currently popular RAWK band (none come immediately to mind).
October 5th, 2011 at 11:26 AM |
I believe your poll is in error
I believe your poll is in error
I misunderstood the "I like old highlights on the jumbotron" to mean "I like the hightlights better on the old jumbotron" rather than "I like highlights of old games on the new jumbotrons". So you should actually have 51 Strong Disagree, and 838 Strongly Agree for that one.
Probably skews the data horrible.
"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk
October 5th, 2011 at 12:31 PM |
To make matters worse,
To make matters worse,
I was unavailable to participate in this survey as I was away from any internet access for the duration. We should probably bag this one and have a do-over.
We now have empirical evidence:
When Brandon and his dozens of marketing employees continue to approve the playing of Journey, Neil Diamond, and Pop Evil, they are actively choosing something that the majority of Michigan fans disapprove of.
That is all.