[Patrick Barron]

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Brian October 9th, 2023 at 12:50 PM

10/7/2023 – Michigan 52, Minnesota 10 – 6-0, 3-0 Big Ten

A couple years ago I watched Michigan beat Ohio State for the first time since the paleolithic era and I couldn't really commit emotionally. I fundamentally could not let myself believe they would win. This feeling extended into the distance; even after it was clear they were going to win I did not feel the same kind of thing it appeared other people were feeling all around me.

The same thing happened last year. While I've made the argument that the postgame success rate/"it was just five plays" takes were bad, it is true that the nature of the game lent itself to believing OSU was far better down-to-down, at least through 30 minutes. Michigan was bleeding OSU down the field and relying on their short-yardage deficiencies to prevent points; Ohio State was maniacally determined to not let Hassan Haskins 2.0 happen to them. So you're watching this and it feels like Michigan is hanging on by a thread. Only in the aftermath do you realize that Ohio State decided to throw it to their tight end 30 yards downfield on fourth and two and played zero coverage on which two Michigan players could have scored easy touchdowns. Meanwhile OSU has the #2 pick in the NFL draft and Marvin Harrison Jr, etc., etc.

Michigan felt like an underdog.

Michigan is not an underdog anymore, to anyone, after comprehensive dismantlings of mid-tier Big Ten teams that featured Jack Tuttle snaps in the third quarter. It is deeply unfortunate that Georgia woke up after a sleepy start to the season and hamblasted Kentucky, because otherwise it would not appear that any team in the country is anywhere near Michigan. Other teams have bits and pieces: USC has Caleb Williams, Penn State has an elite defense, Ohio State still has Marvin Harrison Jr. But USC's defense can't do anything, Drew Allar has the lowest depth of target in the Power 5, and OSU just ran for 1.9 yards per carry against Maryland.

But, yeah, Georgia. And maybe Oklahoma. Michigan is a complete team but seems to lack a game-wrecker on def—

Oh. Mason Graham is the #2 DT in the country to PFF, and he's a true sophomore, and he's wearing a club, and he's getting better every time we see him. You could say similar things about Derrick Moore, and maybe Josiah Stewart. On offense Michigan is settling into what looks like the long term answer on the OL. Hiccups in the secondary have another month to get smoothed over.

Michigan is this good, and it still feels like they've got another gear. If Corum gets back to where he was, if the arc read game comes back in important spots, if Derrick Moore continues to Ojabo, if Rod Moore gets all the way back, etc. These are usually the ifs you have when you're scuffling a bit. The ifs you have when you're undefeated but haven't played anyone and escaped a close one against a Nebraska or a Minnesota. It is almost literally impossible for a college football team to play better than Michigan… but Michigan can play better.

I have unlatched all the gates and pressed the button that says DO NOT PRESS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. I glance over to Ohio State getting outplayed badly by Maryland until Maryland Marylands itself, and look at the teams across the nation and I think "Michigan can take these guys." It is possible that by the end of the season that everyone proclaims is wide open, it turns out it wasn't that wide open after all.

Just four more weeks of waiting before we start finding out for real.

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

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[Barron]

you're the man now, dog-2535ac8789d1b499[1]

#1 Mason Graham. Led the team in tackles as a DT. Had a thunderous, drive-stalling TFL and two sacks, one of which he was robbed of by a horrendous spot. Seems like breaking his hand has only made him more powerful. Ol' Murderglasgow is ascending to Mo Hurst tier.

#2 JJ McCarthy. A casual 10 YPA despite three drops, plus two rushing touchdowns where he juked tacklers, stiffarming one to the turf. Apparently did not get a sideline kiss, though, so there are areas for improvement.

#3 Will Johnson. Only did two things but the first thing was a tone-setting pick-six.

Honorable mention: Probably should throw in Kalel Mullings here for cumulative short-yardage success and a mansome blitz pickup. Keon Sabb also had a pick six. The Offensive Line kept McCarthy clean and led Michigan to 5.8 YPA. AJ Barner continues to mash face. Cornelius Johnson had a drop but also a circus catch on a deep ball, plus his blocking was improved. Josiah Stewart is getting after it.

KFaTAotW Standings.

(points: #1: 8, #2: 5, #3: 3, HMs one each. Ties result in somewhat arbitrary assignments.)

27: JJ McCarthy (#1 ECU, #1 UNLV, #2 Rutgers, HM Nebraska, #2 Minnesota)
22: Kris Jenkins (HM ECU, T2 UNLV, #1 BGSU, HM Rutgers, #1 Nebraska)
13: Mason Graham (HM ECU, T2 UNLV, #1 Minn)
11: Mike Sainristil (T3 ECU, HM BGSU, #1 Rutgers)
9: Roman Wilson (T2 ECU, HM UNLV, HM BGSU, #3 Nebraska), Blake Corum (HM ECU, HM UNLV, #2 BGSU, HM Rutgers, HM Neb)
7: Braiden McGregor(T3 UNLV, #2 Nebraska), Cornelius Johnson (T2 ECU, HM UNLV, HM BGSU, HM Minn)
6: Kenneth Grant (T3 ECU, T2 UNLV),
5: Junior Colson (#3 BGSU, T3 Rutgers)
4: Ernest Hausmann (T3 ECU, T3 Rutgers)
3: Mike Barrett (HM UNLV, T3 Rutgers), Will Johnson(#3 Minn), AJ Barner (HM BGSU, HM Neb, HM Minn)
2:  Josh Wallace (T3 ECU), Derrick Moore (T3 UNLV), Jaylen Harrell (HM UNLV, HM BGSU), Max Bredeson (HM Rutgers, HM Neb)
1: Tommy Doman (HM ECU), Donovan Edwards (HM ECU), Tyler Morris (HM UNLV), Semaj Morgan (HM Rutgers), Colston Loveland (HM Rutgers), Quinten Johnson (HM Rutgers), Derrick Moore (HM Neb), Kalel Mullings (HM Minn), The Offensive Line (HM Minn), Keon Sabb (HM Minn), Josiah Stewart (HM Minn)

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

 

Will Johnson picks off the second snap from scrimmage, more or less ending the game 12 seconds in.

Honorable mention: Pin and pull goes for 40, hooray explosives; Johnson hauls in a deep ball, hooray explosives. Sabb pick six. Mason Graham death squirrel sack. Leon Franklin gets his touchdown.

imageMARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

PJ Fleck's insane clock management at the end of the first half is rewarded with a longshot touchdown.

Honorable mention: Johnson drops a third down conversion so Michigan has to settle for a field goal. Minnesota outside zone does some work on the first two drives.

[After THE JUMP: jeepers]

OFFENSE

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[Barron]

The Mason Cole. When Cole was a tackle his standout trait was an ability to get blocks absurdly far downfield, and when Barnhart moved to tackle we kept talking about him like he'd be Cole. That was instantiated in this game when Barnhart got to the left edge of the field, from right tackle, on the long pin and pull.

Uhhhh. JJ McCarthy did something I complained about last year: he pulled the ball in the low red zone. I complained about this because doing this against zero coverage, which it always is inside the five, means that McCarthy is going to get an unblocked DB every time. And, yes, he got an unblocked DB both times. He then scored both times.

https://youtu.be/pbj5CJBjDFQ?t=467

On the first he was fortunate to come up against a guy who's missed almost a quarter of his tackle attempts this season. On the second he got a redshirt freshman reserve corner who has missed a quarter of his tackle attempts this season. I guess you take the W against a team that can't tackle, but if we try this against PSU or OSU it's not going to work.

Dive stuff. Minnesota stuffed the Michigan dive by pinching their DTs and placing edge guys just outside of the zone where Michigan bothers to block. They then converted, but on a rollout pass that feels a touch risky. I'm sure they'll put in some tweaks/audibles to adjust if they get looks like that again; just kicking out the edge guy and blocking down on the pinched nose is an easy conversion. Speaking of that rollout pass…

Mullings, woo. I was pretty nervous* when that rollout happened and Michigan tossed a ball to a former linebacker who had not caught a pass at Michigan, but Mullings smoothly brought it in and turned it upfield like he does it every Saturday.

*[about Kalel Mullings's 2024 Heisman campaign, not, you know, the outcome of the game]

Hello again. Michigan pulled out the ol' pin and pull this week; I think they ran one of these last week but that was the first of the year.

https://youtu.be/pbj5CJBjDFQ?t=181

Pin and pull has been a staple the last few years as a way to attack the perimeter, but the outside zone experiment saw it drop out of the playbook.

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Zippity zip. Michigan converted a second and thirteen after one of their exceedingly rare TFLs suffered by dumping the ball down to Edwards and watching him make a linebacker look foolish. The endzone cam shot of this is going in the UFR because it really emphasizes how Edwards's crazy acceleration got him past the LB to the outside when it looked like the inside was going to be more profitable, yards-wise. I'd say Michigan should do this more often, except that everything they do is something they should do more often because it all works. (Except outside zone.)

Shots. Michigan took some in this game after a season largely eschewing them.

https://youtu.be/pbj5CJBjDFQ?t=308

A second shot was to Frederick Moore and incomplete as the ball was pretty short, but as Todd Blackledge pointed out if Moore actually attempts to high point the ball he gets run over and a flag comes out.

The dearth of true deep shots is fine. Teams are choosing to bracket Wilson, leading to the festival of deep ins that are high-percentage chunk plays. This team has better things to do than try a bunch of sideline fades.

Block of the week, probably. Multiple people have already reached out to declare this Mullings blitz pickup decleater to be block of the week and they're probably going to be right:

https://youtu.be/pbj5CJBjDFQ?t=493

That does not happen on blitz pickups. Usually the running back is fighting a losing battle against mass times acceleration. Kalel Mullings is not losing that battle.

The main competitor to this block is Barnhart getting on his horse on the pin and pull, but the pure visceral oomph of the Mullings block is probably going to win out.

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Drops. We got five weeks into the season before our first drop-type substance. It was unlikely that the entire WR crew had turned into Jason Avant at the same time, and half of McCarthy's incompletions in this game were flat drops. Johnson had the drive-ender on Michigan's first possession; Edwards had a drop on another third and five. Meanwhile the above Loveland attempt looked like the safety dislodging the ball live, but on replay it was clear that Loveland was going to lose that ball without the intervention of the safety.

Michigan's still excellent in this department. McCarthy is 9th amongst P5 QBs when it comes to drop rate suffered, and PFF has Michigan for five drops this season; we have a difference of opinion on one. Also of note: Michigan is 14/22 on contested catches, which is a big step up from last year.

McCarthy? I mean, yeah, he did the things. Four of his incompletions were either drops or a missed opportunity from a freshman WR. A fifth was a pressured throw over Corum's head, and the sixth was a fade down the sideline on which the defensive back had definitively won the route. I do wish that McCarthy had come off of Moore on the coulda-shoulda PI, because Minnesota had busted huge on a Wilson drag route that was going to go for at least 30 yards.

Bill Connelly writes on McCarthy's quiet efficiency:

Michigan's J.J. McCarthy is No. 1 in QBR at 93.6, ahead of Heisman favorites (Michael Penix Jr. is second, Caleb Williams eighth) and sleepers (Dillon Gabriel is third, Jayden Daniels fourth). He's third nationally in completion rate, behind two guys (Oregon's Bo Nix and Florida's Graham Mertz) who average far fewer yards per completion. Nearly two-thirds of his completions (63%) go for a first down, and nearly one-fourth (22%) go for 20-plus yards. Not including the three sacks he has taken in six games, he's averaging 9.1 yards per carry on the three or so rushes per game he's compelled to take.

Give him those numbers with Penix's or Williams' volume of dropbacks, and McCarthy is a pretty clear Heisman favorite. A co-favorite at worst. But his 22.2 dropbacks per game are the lowest of anyone in the QBR top 15 and second-lowest, behind only Louisiana's Zeon Chriss, of anyone in the top 35.

Note that QBR is opponent-adjusted.

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Henderson watch. I don't think I caught a single pass protection issue in my rewatch, and he performed on the ground. It feels like the wheels are going to have to come off for him to lose the job. Michigan did play Hinton in Tuttle Time, so he's healthy enough to reclaim the job if he plays better. Also he's not going to redshirt.

Feels like this competition is over and Michigan has gotten to more or less the preseason expectation after a strange detour.

DEFENSE

Rutger watch. Michigan scored 52; Minnesota had 52 passing yards. I asked Patrick if this counted as a Rutger and he said no, it has to be fewer, but Michigan had 64 return yards on interceptions. When you have more INT return yards than they have passing yards that's an Iowutger. I have spoken.

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Weekly hey they got some yards. Minnesota's first couple drives featured successful runs, which was briefly disorienting because I have become very spoiled by this defensive line. Most of these were outside zone. This was fairly typical:

https://youtu.be/pbj5CJBjDFQ?t=106

So 1) motion sucks Hausmann out of the box, 2) Sainristil is sitting in the RPO slant zone and 3) Colson just appears to screw up. This means the DL gets no support; Benny and Grant both lose, but in Benny's case he's never winning on a stretch play when the guys trying to combo through you never have to stop the double team.

Michigan decided they'd have to live with the RPOs and got more aggressive about this after the early success, whereupon Minnesota stopped running effectively. Michigan did get got on one RPO that was going to be wide open but got a bat-down to bail them out.

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it happens [Barron]

The other thing. A touchdown yielded:

https://youtu.be/pbj5CJBjDFQ?t=428

We had an extensive discussion on the podcast about this where it was asserted that Keon Sabb needed to get over the top of this, which I get somewhat because he's got nothing in his area, but looking at it again this is only a yard or two from the sideline. IMO, Sainristil just got beat. Not by much—he's a few inches away from a PBU—and I might not even ding the coverage if I was grading this. But it would be a pretty dang good play for Sabb to get over there.

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getting better rapidly [Barron]

New guys popping. Josiah Stewart did some stuff last week that we had to grade on the Corcoran curve, but here he is giving a bull rush to the Minnesota left tackle:

https://youtu.be/pbj5CJBjDFQ?t=290

That's Aireontae Ersery. Before this game had as many superfluous vowels in his first name as pressures yielded. FF had him for just three, with no sacks. Here he gave up two sacks on just 22 dropbacks; even after that PFF is grading his pass blocking as an 80. It appears that this is the season where any player we offer some mild critiques of immediately improves, so we've got that going for us.

Also of note is Derrick Moore getting to Kaliakmanis at about the same time on about the same rush.

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The bats. Another game in which Michigan batted down a couple passes. This is a Braiden McGregor specialty at this point; his long arms and excellent timing have made him a menace on short balls and screens for a couple seasons. He's going to get a pick. I feel it.

Cam Goode: doin' stuff? Goode had an instant pass rush up the gut that Kaliakmanis was able to turn into an improv first down, but he continues to rotate in like Michigan expects he'll be useful in the season-ending gauntlet. He had 14 snaps and has been between 12 and 21 in every game.

PFF items. Michigan has the #2, #6, #16, and #69 defensive tackles in the nation. That's Graham, Jenkins, Grant, and Goode, respectively. They haven't been wild about Benny and they've probably been right. They have the #15, #23, and #55 edges—Moore, Harrell, and Stewart—and they're way down on McGregor despite our grading being very good. The back seven doesn't have anyone grading out of this world but if Johnson and Rod Moore get back to last year's numbers they'll be amongst the best in the country.

Also, some of the back seven grades are based on air. Paige has a 53; he's missed one tackle and given up two catches for 35 yards on four targets. He's had nothing to get graded on.

Walker back. 11 snaps for Amorion Walker, which is encouraging after there were some rumors he would be out for most of the season. He's obviously not going to press for real time this year but having him practice full go and get out there for extended Tuttle Times over the next three weeks will be useful.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Meh? Turner grooved a field goal down the middle; Doman keeps booming punts; returns were unremarkable. Michigan has fallen down the FEI special teams ratings to 43rd. The specialists are fine, but McGregor fumbling a kickoff sees them 130th in kick return efficiency and the two-headed punt return is pretty bad at 92nd.

If I was Jay Harbaugh I'd be demanding a Donovan Edwards punt return crash course.

MISCELLANEOUS

Buddy. You've got a big sign and you're scribbling out a message like it's a prescription for Ryan Day's Xanax.

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[Barron]

You gotta pump up that font size, that's rookie font size.

What is your problem with spotting the ball? The number of flatly incorrect spots in this game was at least six, none more infuriating than this obvious sack getting taken away from Mason Graham:

https://youtu.be/pbj5CJBjDFQ?t=392

This was adjudged to be second and ten. (One dollar to the PFF grader who counted this as a sack despite the spot. Virtual fist-bumps.) Earlier, a clear second-and-goal touchdown was marked down after a debatable first-and-goal touchdown was also marked down, and somehow Donovan Edwards ended up two yards past the sticks on a play that was ruled down short of them.

Comprehensive. Yowza:

Also look at the far left: GT, Iowa, and USC all won.

Penalties: we decline. Max Bredeson's holding call in Tuttle time was the first time Michigan had taken a penalty aside from a kick out of bounds in almost two weeks. That's nuts. Michigan leads the country in fewest penalty yards per game, although the sheer lack of plays in Michigan games is a factor. There's a reason the top 5 includes Iowa, Army, and Air Force. FWIW, MSU is 118. 

Larger picture. Still #1 in SP+. #2 behind Oklahoma in adjusted EPA per play:

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Note the Penn State offense hanging out with Nebraska. Also, Iowa. You can see MSU just behind the Utah logo; they're hanging in surprisingly well on defense.

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It's all cool man.

Between rule changes and the lack of serious things to complain about, it has been a mellow season generally, at least to the present.

How mellow, you ask? No, you probably didn't, but all the same, I will tell you.

Last night, using the efficiency ratings that I somewhat scientifically devised, was the most mellow we've been in a relatively calm season (again, to date - we've got six games yet, some of which will likely be a bit dicey at points). As I mentioned last week, anything in the 2.50 to 3.00 range generally means a comfortable, low-complaint victory in the Harbaugh era, but ECU and Minnesota sit far below that. I never really thought much about how to label the sub-3.00 games, but these might be described as the ones where, as John U. Bacon states, you might mow your lawn, but in a good sense.

Best and Worst:

Best:  Efficiency

I know I mentioned earlier that Michigan’s offense is currently #8 in the country per SP+, and as fans you’ve watched these games and see how good both the rushing and passing attacks have been.  In terms of raw numbers, they have a TD rate in the red zone of 78% and have scored 21 TDs in 28 chances, which is tied for 8th in the country.  For the past 2 weeks they’ve been a perfect 10/10 in scoring when they’ve gotten to the redzone, picking up 8 TDs and 2 FGs over that span.  They’ve only run 358 plays on offense over 6 games, which is one of the lower rates in the country, but they’re averaging nearly 7 ypp each time they do snap the ball, which is #18 in the country and mostly behind a bunch of Pac-12 teams and schools like FSU and LSU who have been in a lot of defense-optional games.  They’re averaging over 5 ypc despite shuffling around the offensive line, while also averaging 10 ypa in the air, #7 nationally and behind, again, some Pac-12 teams, LSU, and some academies who throw the ball a handful of times a game (though to Army’s credit they throw the ball nearly 16 times a game while confusingly-named Air Force throws the ball…4 times a contest).

Iowatch!

Futility Rate

Me, above: “their offense still occasionally moves forward and scores points.”

This graph: “the word ‘occasionally’ is doing a lot of work in that sentence, buddy.”

Question: should missed field goals count as turnovers or 4-and-out? I’ve included them in the latter.

Stat items:

According to CFBD, there are just six FBS teams with an offensive explosiveness score less than 1.30 (lower is worse) and a defensive explosiveness score greater than 1.50 (higher is worse): Akron; ECU; Marshall; JMU; Florida; and Michigan. Respectively, those teams were ranked 121st, 102nd, 62nd, 58th, 36th, and 1st in F+ through Week Five (as I post this, we’re still waiting on the “through Week Six” rankings to be posted).

However, there are inversely just three teams with an offensive explosiveness score greater than 1.50 and a defensive explosiveness score less than 1.30: Kentucky; Brigham Young; Georgia Tech; and Old Dominion. Respectively, those teams were ranked 24th, 51st, 82nd, and 100th in F+ through Week Five.

(In the graph below, the X-axis measures offensive explosiveness and the Y-axis measures defensive explosiveness. You can find Michigan's block M near the top center of the graph, uncomfortably close to the bad top-left corner.)

To me, though, the only conclusion we can draw from this data is that explosiveness is a very bad predictor of how good a team is. Think about it this way: if a team runs 50 plays in a game, and only one is “successful” (positive EPA), but it’s so successful it scores a +5.00 in EPA, then that team’s explosiveness score is 5.00. But if a team runs 50 plays in a game, and 40 of those are successful, but each one is only +0.50 EPA, then that team’s explosiveness score is 0.50. Which team is better? The team that had 80% of their plays be successful, or the team that had 2%? Assuming the team with an 80% success rate put together at least one touchdown drive and one field goal drive (at the very minimum), there’s a pretty clear answer.

Comments

mgobleu

October 9th, 2023 at 2:33 PM ^

"Oh. Mason Graham is the #2 DT in the country to PFF, and he's a true sophomore, and he's wearing a club, and he's getting better every time we see him. You could say similar things about Derrick Moore, and maybe Josiah Stewart."

I was thinking this weekend, is this the best M team I've seen since '97? I thought, despite not having a homerun hitter like Desmond or Braylon, I've never been more confident in an offense to put up points. 

So I thought about the defense and how we just don't have THAT ONE guy like a Hutchinson or an Ojabo that could singlehandedly wreck an offense... we might have something better- this unholy amoebic death rush; the boa constrictor that Klatt was talking about that just suffocates an offense over 3 quarters and leaves the twitching bludgeoned wretch to squirm and bleed for the entire 4th.

I had a lot of fun watching Michigan football that last two years, and "muh- schedule", but this team feels like a legit step above.  

Derek

October 9th, 2023 at 3:36 PM ^

My only other comp would be 2006, but this team has (a) the killer instinct and (b) experience competing in big games that actually matter. [Getting really unfortunate déja vu from this, like I wrote it before the TCU game.]

BTW, Corum and Roman are home-run hitters. CoJo and Edwards also hit for power.

mgobleu

October 9th, 2023 at 6:50 PM ^

I meant to say receivers; obviously Wilson has 8 TDs in 6 games, but he’s not the kind of guy in that mold of the prototypical big, fast WRs with the monster catching radius. 

Loveland is getting there, and Barner has looked pretty good the last couple games too.

M_Born M_Believer

October 9th, 2023 at 2:39 PM ^

Great article, per usual, Brian.  I would like to point out a couple of things.

1) In the SP+ matrix, you note several strong "ACC" teams... Unfortunately one of your arrows is point to.... Maryland.  Is that just a subtle jab at conference alignment and I am just missing the joke?

2) Sabb is absolutely at fault on the TD pass.  Look at the play again, but also look at the other safety at the top of the screen before the ball arrives.  A few things...

   A) There are only 13 seconds left in the half, Minnesota has no TO left.  This is an all or nothing play

   B) A safety's #1 priority is.... stay on top of the deepest route.  Their #2 priority...See rule number 1.  Especially given this situation

   C) Again, watch the replay.  The Safety on the top of the screen is EXACTLY where he is suppose to be.  Especially given that Minnesota only sent out 3 receivers in the play and there is only 1 receiver to Sabb's side.  There was literally NO ONE else to defend on that side of the field.  Sabb had no business being nosey around 12-15 off the LOS.  If Sabb follows his assignment from the snap, this is an easy INT as the ball is under thrown.  Young player, made a mistake, lesson learned, move forward...

smwilliams

October 9th, 2023 at 2:56 PM ^

Is it possible this team still finished 9-3? Sure. It’s possible, but when Jim Harbaugh took this job, this is what we all wanted.

31-3 over the past 2.5 years with two of those losses being of the unlikely variety (seriously there’s a universe out there more likely than this one where Michigan runs the table in ‘21 until Georgia and then completely runs the table last year). Two wins against OSU, both demoralizing in Columbus. Two B1G Championships. Only a handful of games against lesser opponents that ever felt in doubt.
 

It was a longer trip to get here, but I’m glad we’ve finally arrived. 

willirwin1778

October 9th, 2023 at 3:12 PM ^

In regards to Fleck's end of half clock management.  Commentators say it was horrible clock management, but he was clearly afraid to give Michigan the ball back with any time left on the clock.  

Probably a smart decision. 

But yeah, it clearly sends a bad signal to your team that they game is essentially already over because "we can't stop them if they have 60 seconds on the clock."  

Stop the bleeding, get to the half, make adjustments, hope for second half miracle.

FB Dive

October 9th, 2023 at 4:34 PM ^

Question: should missed field goals count as turnovers or 4-and-out? I’ve included them in the latter.

Shouldn't they be in the "other" category? I can see the argument for counting them as turnovers, but unless the field goal attempt was on the first set of downs on the drive, I'm confused why it would be counted as a 4-and-out. 

The Geek

October 9th, 2023 at 4:37 PM ^

Loved this edition and agree with The Don returning punts. 

Anyway, your first para hit home for me… After years of frustration and the Don Brown exposure I found myself watching The Game in isolation during COVID.

In 2021 wife and kids return home after the game (she keeps tabs, in case we lose lol) and the first thing she asks me is “You must have been so excited during the game,” but I was in a weird fog like it didn’t really happen, because I should have been a lot happier. Years of suffering had taken its toll. 

This is definitely real. 

AlbanyBlue

October 9th, 2023 at 4:56 PM ^

RE: Clenching

I un-clench during these parts of the schedule. Despite thinking we would start slowly in the first halves --we really haven't this season -- there hasn't been a game yet I thought we'd lose. Even during BGSU, I wanted JJ to keep throwing and work whatever his funk was out. 

But for the Michigan State game, I will be puckered up some, not anticipating a loss but rather dirty play leading to injury. Full clench for the PSU game and beyond though, simply because of experience.

It's not BPONE anymore, it's more like, "OK, we should win, but this could derail for a couple reasons". Stakes are also higher because this season feels like THE shot to win it all for the first time in decades. 

And yes, Edwards returning punts seems like a no-brainer.....but who knows?

DennisFranklinDaMan

October 9th, 2023 at 5:28 PM ^

It's worth noting that while JJ is, indeed, awesome, both the pass to Moore in the Minnesota game and the TD pass to Wilson in the Nebraska game seem to be being (ahem) classified as "good JJ throws," because of course Wilson made the catch in the latter and Moore, indeed, probably could have drawn a PI in the former.

But empirically, both were bad throws. Any throw that literally hits a defender in the helmet is not really a good throw, and there's no way JJ is being taught in practice to deliberately throw that sideline pass way short on the off chance the defender doesn't turn around.

JJ is 100% the man, but the suggestion that because Moore didn't bail him out as much as he could have by drawing a PI makes it a well-thrown ball is giving him a little too much credit, seems to me.

ca_prophet

October 9th, 2023 at 9:31 PM ^

Yeah, I disagree with the UFR grading of the Wilson catch as CA as it did hit the defender in the helmet.  I would probably have graded it as Marginal or Inaccurate, and given Wilson the circus catch for catching a nearly uncatchable ball.  Similarly, the Moore attempt here is not good, but Moore might get a route- if the review decides that the route should have been broken off.

Still these are nits overall.  We are watching them paint a masterpiece, and we are miffed they are spilling paint on the carpet.

G. Gulo of the Dale

October 9th, 2023 at 11:29 PM ^

I agree re: the Moore throw, though, in JJ's defense (if memory serves), Minnesota was applying pressure right up the middle and JJ wasn't able to step into the throw.  Doesn't make it a good throw, but it makes it less JJ's fault, albeit in a different way.  (Your point still stands.)  Again, if I'm remembering correctly, it makes it more excusable than the successful bomb to CJ, which JJ waited on too long and underthrew, when CJ had a couple of steps on the defender coming out of his break.  It was still a nice enough looking deep ball, but CJ had to make an outstanding grab, given that the ball didn't hit him in stride and so was contested.  

Rabbit21

October 9th, 2023 at 5:32 PM ^

That first paragraph speaks to me, I was happy about the win, but was convinced they were going to lose until Haskins hurdled the fool.  It kept my reactions to that first win muted.  

Second-time around I made up for it by making sure the entire house/neighborhood knew how I felt about those Donovan Edwards runs.

It feels weird this year to get a little irritated but feel like everything will be okay, but here it is.

Durham Blue

October 9th, 2023 at 7:11 PM ^

I agree with Brian that Michigan has a higher gear.  We just haven't seen it because they haven't remotely been forced to do it.  We've been vanilla but we've also been executing like nobody's business type of vanilla.  Even without Donovan, and Corum to some extent, not playing at the level they did last season, this has been more than enough to eviscerate the teams we've played.  When Donovan gets going, which will happen, good luck opposing defenses.  Looking forward to Penn State and beyond.

jabberwock

October 9th, 2023 at 7:18 PM ^

This is not intended as a knock on Edwards at all (he'll get there soon) but more a celebration of other players stepping up in their roles.
after 6 games, Edwards has 1 point, the defense has 84.

WolverineHistorian

October 9th, 2023 at 8:30 PM ^

The two pick-sixes in one game, I was trying to remember the last time we did that and all I could think of was the bowl game against Arkansas in 1999.  Ian Gold and James Whitley made the pics that day.  Turns out, it actually has happened more recently.  In 2017, we had two pick sixes against Cincinnati by Tyree Kinnel and Lavert Hill.  

As much as I hate waiting for night games, this was a treat.  There's always that gulp feeling of playing someone on the road at night, no matter who the opponent is.  Will Johnson helped make me feel better pretty quickly.  To see the backups play the 4th quarter is such a treat and a true stress reliever. 

And a random eye roll issue - no matter how many decades pass, whenever we play Minnesota, the commentators are always (ALWAYS) going to make us relive the bone crushing losses to them as the #1 ranked team in 1977 and the #2 ranked team in 1986.  Showing the Ricky Foggy game winning kick *almost* is understandable because Harbaugh was the quarterback and now, he's our coach.  But of course, they later showed Rick Leach throwing a horrible interception in a game most fans still can't explain to this day.  They never flashback to our biggest comeback in school history at the Metrodome in 2003.  Or the goal-line stand in 2015.  Or Chad Henne connecting with Tyler Ecker for the game winning TD with 1:57 left in the game in 2004.  I remember jumping off the couch in celebration for that.  Braylon Edwards did a celebratory backflip when the final seconds ticked off the clock.  Show us those moments for God's sake.  

SouthOfHeaven

October 9th, 2023 at 8:38 PM ^

The fact that the Minnesota TD pass is being picked apart and discussed to death just goes to show how good we've got it now. How far we've come from the 2015 nailbiter goalline stand game. 

I think you've just gotta tip your hat to them. Superb throw and excellent effort by the WR. Even the best teams will have that happen every now and then. 

mwolverine1

October 9th, 2023 at 9:06 PM ^

The Will Johnson pick 6 was pretty interesting on closer view. It was an RPO with two receivers in the pattern: one running an out route and one running a fly. Minter really earned his paycheck with the call: Trap 2, a trap version of cover 2. This is a pretty big tendency breaker for us as we usually run Cover 3 on early downs, especially early in the game. Minnesota clearly game planned for Kaliakmanis to build his confidence with an easy out route (that we usually give up by design).

But the failure of the play from there is mostly on Kaliakmanis. First of all, Kaliakmanis made a horrible read by passing instead of handing it off (the read defender Paige doesn't attack the run at all). Then he failed to see Johnson sitting on the outside. Then he compounded everything by missing long on the throw.