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Michigan's ground game stopped being effective in 1995.

I'm not sure if Jon Chait was reacting to the latest MANBALL quote from Brady Hoke or not, but when an article titled "You Can't Go Home Again" pops up the day after Michigan's new head coach says this:

"Once we get the power play down, then we'll go to the next phase. You know, because we're gonna run the power play."…

"We don't have a lot of fullbacks." Hopkins works out well at FB "for a lot of the old 49ers stuff" with split backs. Hoke wants fullbacks to block so hard they "come in at about 6-3, and leave the program at 6-1." …

It's hard to think otherwise. Of course, even ESPN folk have picked up on Hoke's love affair with the word "toughness"—the article could have been spurred by anything Hoke's said over the last three months. There are consistent reports that Hoke makes condescending comments about the spread at alumni events. Manball? Manball.

Some people love this. In my mind they all look like this…

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yes, that's the Beckmann aficionado

…and could be coaching Purdue. I would not want to get in a conversation with any of these people because they would have very strong opinions about things they know nothing about. They would repeat inane aphorisms as if those were the final word on any subject, and they would regard any dispute as evidence of a diseased mind. I have talked to these people on the radio some. It's not fun. I close my eyes and imagine the exact dimensions and color of their mustaches. They are boringly consistent.

My hope is Hoke is a brilliant, innocent-as-snow delegator or a con man. He's got a quarterback who was an All-American as a true sophomore last year because of his legs. He's got an offensive coordinator whose track record suggests he prefers to air it out and that things get desperately bad when MANBALL advocates push him away from his mad bombing ways. He's got a set of running backs best described as underwhelming, a center who can teleport his way into tough reach blocks, and a guard who can block Manti Te'o twenty yards downfield. If the offseason could be spent fixing whatever it is that causes Robinson to turn the ball over willy-nilly, Michigan's offense would be insane. According to statistical things it already is.

Switching to an actual pro-style offense would be doing exactly what Michigan did last year when it installed the 3-3-5 despite the total unsuitability of its personnel for the scheme. It would be exactly as stupid. It can't be as bad statistically because instead of true freshman two star Ray Vinopal backed up by a duck, next to a walk on, and vaguely in front of more freshmen you have ten returning starters and Denard Robinson, but it would be just as dumb. If Hoke's bravado about being a bunch of tough bastards who love grinding out four yards on a power play is true I'm worried for the immediate and long term future of the program in the same way I was when hiring Greg Robinson caused me to dig out a picture of Tweek.

On the other hand, Beckmann aficionados love that stuff, and so do the newspapers that are no longer read by anyone other than Beckmann aficionados. English has developed lingo to distinguish words meant to be true from words meant to produce inoffensive newspaper blather: the latter is coachspeak. Rich Rodriguez was beyond awful at coachspeak. Hoke is a grand master. When IBM develops "Jim" and challenges Hoke to a duel, Watson-style, Hoke will destroy his opponent so badly smoke will come out of its nonexistent ears like that robot asked to rhyme something with "orange" in a story I read when I was eight. Hoke will lament Jim's lack of toughness.

This is a real skill the last three years have shown is way more important than you'd think. It's a relief when every press conference is Hoke being gently tickled on the belly and fed peeled grapes, and telling everyone you're establishing a mindset of toughness is fine. It's something that will help the program in the long run.

As long as you don't believe yourself. It won't help as much as winning a crapton of games, and even if the defense gets vastly better the best way to do that next year is to have an offense that puts up points, and the best way to do that is to very gently shift the offense towards your long term vision while still keeping Denard in the Heisman race.

This isn't 2008, when Michigan was screwed no matter what offense they put in. Getting Michigan's offense to go from explosive but inconsistent to world-destroying is a matter of getting a kicker, finding a good running back, working on Denard's reads and accuracy, and leaving everything else the hell alone. Michigan can't reasonably do that because they've got new coaches, but how hard is it to run a QB lead draw and follow that with QB Lead Oh Noes? The secret of Michigan's 2010 offense is that the zone read was hardly used. The other secret is it was a power running offense, one more effective than anything Michigan's run in at least the last decade and probably a lot longer.

Michigan YPC Career Leaders Since 1949 (min: 100 carries)

# Name Att Yds Yd/Att TD Lng From To
1t D. Robinson 325 2053 6.3 19 87 2009 2010
1t Jon Vaughn 226 1421 6.3 9 63 1989 1990
2 Kerry Smith 154 950 6.2 5 29 1980 1983
3 Tyrone Wheatley 688 4178 6.1 47 88 1991 1994
4 Tshimanga Biakabutuka 472 2810 6 24 60 1993 1995
5 Rob Lytle 557 3307 5.9 26 75 1973 1976
6 Allen Jefferson 175 1002 5.7 14 70 1987 1990

Michigan YPC, Team, Since 2001

# Year YPC
1 2010 5.58
2 2009 4.52
3 2006 4.27
4 2003 4.25
5 2007 3.97
6 2008 3.91
7 2005 3.89
8 2004 3.83
9 2002 3.82
10 2001 3.59

Borges should install his passing game immediately and Michigan should start running power schemes more frequently—power did feature occasionally last year—if they want to, but lining up under center to hand it off to Vincent Smith isn't going to be any better of an idea in 2011 than it was in 2010.

You can run a "pro-style" offense, but run it from the shotgun and run downhill using Denard Robinson as one of three primary tailbacks. You can't get rid of the scare quotes because he's Denard Robinson. If you do run a no-scare-quotes pro-style offense he's not Denard Robinson anymore. He's the guy handing off and you're walking back into the days where Michigan averaged less than four yards per carry and ran 65% of the time.

I think Borges knows this, but Hoke's coachspeak is going to make this the most terrifying spring game of all time.

Comments

BRCE

March 24th, 2011 at 9:48 PM ^

Once again, Brian shows almost no regard for Denard's dings.

Leave the QB lead draw play alone? Denard got knocked out of FOUR games last year. I don't want the lead draw. I want to see a passing offense where Denard drives defenses crazy by using his speed to scramble and pick up third-and-longs when everything else is covered.

Michigan's offense was not "insane" last year, despite overrated statistical offerings. It was a great offense between the 20s that had serious problems finishing drives and scoring points against defenses that weren't awful.

 

HollywoodHokeHogan

March 24th, 2011 at 10:03 PM ^

defense was "competition invariant"?  I think last year's offense was the polar opposite, it was hypersensitive to the level of competition (this is probably because it was turnover prone and good defenses tend to much better at capitalizing on oppportunities for turnovers).  I would not mind an offense that was more consistent, even if this meant a reduction in average PPG or YPG.    I'd rather have us beat Bowling Green by 14 and put up more than a pitiful 7 points against OSU than beat BGU by 40.   

 

 

I'd also like to point out that it if Greg M is as good as we all think he is, this year's offense should probably put up lower average PPG and YPG, because we won't have 67-65 shoot-outs.  I could some people on this site, although not Brian, bitching about how the offense is worse when it is actually a matter of the defense allowing the offense to play more conservatively.

 

The bitching about MANBALL is stupid.   I don't see how it is any different than the idiots who thought the spread wouldn't work in the Big Ten. 

 

 

CRex

March 24th, 2011 at 10:29 PM ^

When we first hired RR there was a lot of panic over the spread n' shred and what thay meant for a time that built its offensive indentity around the run game.  I remember Carr commenting  that you could run just fine in a spread n' shred, he said something to point of "You can spread them out and gash them with runs easily."  

Sounds perfect, the other team is spread out sideline to sideline to stop Denard and you hand the ball off to some big runningback.  He slams through the lightly defended middle of the field, truck along for 8-10 yards and is finally piled on by two or three DBs and taken down.  

Yet we didn't do that, we send Denard, 5' 10" Denard, up the gut which of course lead to Tate finishing games and the whole "medical redshirt" thing around Gardner.  Last year you could defend all our running plays with the same defense.  We didn't really have a powerback.  We tried to use various running backs as powerback, but of course that failed.  Other teams got speed out, they got containment and the run game ground to the halt aside from Dilthium runs.  Everything was speed and finesse (aside from failed attempts to send Smith up the gut).  Really the only reason our run game worked was because Denard is amazing.  He'd outrun the defenders whereas Shaw and Smith would get dragged down before they could get around the corner.  It was still a similiar style of play for all three though.

You give Denard a power run game and he is only going to be more effective.  He lines up and looks at the other team.  If they're in a heavy running stopping set, bunch of big LBs grouped in the center of the field, he can pass or pull a play like the WMU one where he gets around the edge and is gone.  If those LBs blitz, well then he rolls, outruns them and is gone.

If the othe team spreads out for contain, he hands off and watches someone do a hulk smash up the middle of the field for a first down.

Also we need the power-I for practice.  Remember the Wisconsin game?  Where in that second half they passed once if I recall correctly and basically just run over top of us the entire game.  Regardless of your feelings on MANBALL, lots of good teams in this conference play it so we need to prepare our teams to play against it.  That means they need to face a good MANBALL team in practice.  

Also weren't certian people screaming constantly about those Vincent Smith 3rd and 2 runs up the gut that ended setting up a 4th and 4?  Personally I'll be happy to see a functional I-Form on the field.  In the Hart or Perry era picking up a 3rd and 2 was basically automatic unless we tried to do something cute and throw it.  

I'm rambling, I blame the cough syrup, but imagine for a moment Hart and Denard on the same team (basically Denard replacing Henne).  You have to defend Hart otherwise he'll just grind down the field in 4+ yard chunks and score.  So as a DC you need a lot of beef on the field to cope with Hart running off tackle and down your throat.  You also have to worry about Denard who will easily outrun that beef and scream into the endzone at a speed just shy of MACH 1.  So how do you deploy your LBs to run stop?  No matter what you do, you open yourself up to getting burned.  Plus of course there is the entire passing game to worry about.  End of the day we're a better offense with a power run game because it means we have a speed back and a power back on the field every play and you have to set yourself up to get burned by one of them.

markusr2007

March 25th, 2011 at 8:12 AM ^

"Hi, I'm Kenny Rogers and this is Jackass!" My comment is that Michigan offensively will probably be just fine, despite Hoke. Borges is a good OC who mixes a lot of shit in, not all of it Manball and a good chunk of it passing to swift little running backs on oh fuck screen plays that go the distance for six. The main problem for Michigan will continue to be defense and depth issues at OL, DL and LB positions. They'll be better than the last 3 seasons to which I say, "so what, how could they not be" As for Hoke, after watching DRob cruise for 6 points on an off tackle draw he'll be checking his disdain for the shotgunat the door.

3rdGenerationBlue

March 25th, 2011 at 9:40 AM ^

The guy who didn't throw a punch after having a beer thrown in his face doesn't like the word toughness or the idea of manball.....shocking. Ten bucks says the beer tosser looked a lot like Mr. Mustache.

Elno Lewis

March 25th, 2011 at 10:24 AM ^

come in here and enforce a litle sanity?

cuz, you know I wil.

 

don't make me brang the potato salad.

 

 

legalblue

March 25th, 2011 at 2:11 PM ^

I jumped on to take a look at news while I slack off on friday and I have to tell you there are some really contradictory pieces of info on this site.  I read Brian's post and then scrolled down to watch the Spring practice video. 

I was shocked (shocked I say) to see Michigan players without their trademark leather helmets; some call them caps. I thought a return to MANBALL was propelling this program back to the stone age and while I did notice that our uniforms are slowly starting to turn black and white, well the pants anyhow but its a start, and there MAY have been some hints of sepia tone to the film that was creeping in near the end (perhaps I'm imagining that), we still fielded a teamthat was practicing hard and seemed genuinly excited about it ala RVB and Denard sniping back and forth.

It's not the end of the world that we're heading back to MANBALL just the end of a good idea and an exciting to watch offense.  We'll adapt and move on or we won't and Hoke will be fired.  At least I won't have to change channels during our Defensive series to avoid throwing objects through the TV.  

Coach Kyle

March 26th, 2011 at 11:49 AM ^

MAN BALL does work, and Denard is just one player on this team. No one man is bigger than the team. If you're going to disagree with me... I don't want to hear it. La la la la la!

Icehole Woody

March 28th, 2011 at 12:52 PM ^

I'll take Hoke's man ball talk over Rodriguez citing failure to execute or Greek mythology encrusted missives from Jim Harbaugh any day of the week.

 

Go Blue!

Smash Ohio in the mouth!

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