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dragonchild

September 2nd, 2012 at 2:10 PM ^

Alabama shut out LSU last year.  LSU beat North Texas by by the exact same score.  LSU is ranked lower than Alabama this season.  Ergo, Michigan is worse than North Texas.  Expect us to go winless in the conference.

OK, seriously.  I don't think OSU's ineptitude against the SEC some years ago is all that relevant, and extrapolation goes both ways.  Alabama isn't some unbeatable force of nature that spanked Michigan around like it's an FCS team.  People are saying that because they didn't watch the game and just looked at the box score.

I saw a sloppy Michigan team NOT play its best game on a day they needed their best game to win.  It's no wonder the coaches were openly worried about consistency.  The DL got pushed around but that's no surprise.  It's a problem but we're gonna be dealing with that all year.  Fact is, the back 7 gave up too many big plays (NINE plays of 15+ yards).  A lot of those missed tackles would've stopped or at least strung out the drives more, and you KNOW this team is better than that.  The running game was non-existent but Saban was so keyed in on it that Alabama gave up two big plays of their own.  Denard gave Alabama two freebies.  If Michigan plays better. . . well, they still lose, but they were very much exposed as a transitional team.  My point is, if you just look at the score (and extrapolate like the world is gonna end) you'd conclude Michigan is worse than North Texas.  That's all the media's gonna talk about from here, but to hell with them.  I look at the plays and see Michigan having its usual depth issues and first-game jitters against a team that feasts on inexperience.  Tell you what -- no way BWC sacks the QB the way he was last year.  The talent's there with lots of room for improvement and I guarantee this staff won't leave that room unfilled.

Of all these issues I think Denard's is the most worrisome; he's simply out of time to figure out how to avoid throwing interceptions.  But tackling?  I wouldn't be surprised if Hoke had the team practicing technique on the plane ride home.

BlueFordSoftTop

September 2nd, 2012 at 5:15 PM ^

 

Of all these issues I think Denard's is the most worrisome; he's simply out of time to figure out how to avoid throwing interceptions.
 
I adore Denard and would have him as a son. Denard would have jumped on a live grenade to save his buddies in 'Nam, this literal. But Gardner should have played QB this season, with Denard as multi-purpose back/WR. The two QBs and their roles should have been reversed.  The quality opposition, past and future, have learned how to stifle Denard and they kibitz amongst themselves when not verklempt. Oh the kittens have left the bag now, boy oh boy stick a hot fork in me ... sorry.

reshp1

September 2nd, 2012 at 5:40 PM ^

Geez, just stop with this crap already. Do we really need to talk about putting Gardner in after every loss? He threw two picks against a very good, maybe the best defense. One was bad, but the other his receiver got chucked like a rag doll. Denard has his limits, but I'll take him over the alternatives anyday.

dragonchild

September 2nd, 2012 at 6:18 PM ^

. . . Devin's even less prepared to play QB than Denard.

Denard's the best we've got, and frankly most teams have a hard time stopping him even after facing him for several seasons.  Denard doesn't match up well against elite defenses experienced at stopping the spread, but yeesh, join the club.  We scored more points yesterday than LSU did last season in two games combined.

His picks will always be an issue, and this time it very well might have cost Michigan the game.  But one game against a top-ten defense is pretty quick to give him the hook, I'd say.

MGlobules

September 2nd, 2012 at 1:50 PM ^

for damned sure. I want to hear some really smart person do a good assessment of the damage. 

For me the issues are in many ways social: Do we WANT to compare ourselves with semi-pro teams? When we cannot level the playing field to begin with? When even MIchigan cannot level the playing field?

Should we just go all Ivy League and not give a crap about the SEC? 

Brent Musberger is never going to give a shit that we graduate more kids or have a school attached to our football factory; the Nick Sabans of this world put more $ in his pocket than we do. (Now consider 99.9% of the rest of the college football universe.)

It's possible that you REALLY tie your hands behind your back if you set out to play a dirty game in a virtuous way, y'know? In that way even MSU has upside that we don't. 

Most people here just want us to field a great team and kill people, but it ain't that simple. Especially not if you care about the school as well as the team. 

dragonchild

September 2nd, 2012 at 2:13 PM ^

Hoke's bringing in quality recruits precisely because of his approach.  I don't have much respect for those who envy scum for their shortcuts.

This year's team was thin going in and we all knew it.  Second, it's kind of hard to win a tough game if you throw three picks.  Without the freebies the damage isn't nearly as bad.

If we didn't play the game the right way, the team might be doing better, but then I wouldn't be a Michigan fan.  Not that my opinion counts for anything, but there are plenty of dirty teams to root for if that's what you want.

/ Edit:  Uprating your post.  The hell, guys; you can't see a very obvious venting when it's right in front of you?

MGoJen

September 2nd, 2012 at 1:59 PM ^

Bright side? Bright side: I (drunkenly) won College GameDay trivia outside the stadium by answering a question I still don't really remember.  The answer was Braylon Edwards. I got a bunch of GameDay gear. So there's that. 

We're staying at the team hotel and the night before the game Borges was in the lobby upset that he couldn't get his wifi to work.  He finally gave up.  I rode up with him and we were in an elevator full of Bama fans.  He joked, "About five years ago this elevator would've made me very uncomfortable."  He gave me a, "Go Blue, honey!" when I got off.  Super nice.

TrppWlbrnID

September 2nd, 2012 at 2:07 PM ^

And though I didnt enjoy it, it is still good to have it back. This doesn't hurt as much as Iowa last year or even miss st in 2010 where I just have no words. Today's words: bama is better in all facets of the game, for now, hopefully not for long.

Also, Brian is trolling for this week in schadenfreud material, let's give him something memorable

snoopblue

September 2nd, 2012 at 2:20 PM ^

I expected a media overreaction to this loss, and I guess i should have also expected a mgoblog overreaction. It was one game, against a ridiculously talented team coached by one of the best ever. It's Hoke second year! He's playing with another guy's players! (And he is not making excuses about it) We'll still dominate an extremely weak Big Ten, the game of the season is when Sparty comes to town. If the coaches still haven't taught Denard how to throw OR we don't just go all RichRod offense and we lose that game big, a meltdown is justified.

BTW Vincent Smith, Jeremy Gallon and Drew Dileo were pretty fucking good yesterday considering the competition. I see a trend - beat a talented, strong, big, physical, fast team with tiny speed ninjas. Maybe richrod was on to something?

dragonchild

September 2nd, 2012 at 2:52 PM ^

. . . and I can't verify it, but I was told the spread was adopted by smaller schools in the south to somehow compete with the powerhouses, considering Alabama-Michigan is an outlier.  If you're Savannah State or Jacksonville State and your AD wants to book a date with a powerhouse basically just to humiliate you in public for some cash, what do you do?

The spread option (the concept, not the formation) was built for "inferior" talent; i.e., what do you do with a bunch of unpolished, small fast guys because Big U took all the NFL talent.  At its most basic level, in the spread you make the fastest player -- not the best thrower -- your QB.  The danger of the option -- a run with nothing to key on, no handoff, no setup -- forces the defense to overplay the run, allowing your inferior throwing "QB" to make easy tosses into what would otherwise be an overmatched secondary.  The spread IS "QB oh noes".  Spread the field to isolate the individual talents so you can create a mismatch, especially in the secondary.  Throw to the open man or utilize a mobile QB to scramble for yards.  Michigan's rush:pass ratio was 29:27; this was most likely a mistake against an elite defense keyed in against the run.  Not that adding to Denard's freebies is what I want, but Michigan's chances of winning always hinged  on playing mistake-free football.  Alabama has LOTS of experience defending against the spread; they knew exactly what to do.  They shut down the run with serious contain and dared Michigan to go against their strengths and unfortunately it worked.  If there was ever a day I longed for the second coming of Tom Brady wearing maize & blue, this was it.

sammylittle

September 2nd, 2012 at 2:44 PM ^

Bama has many years of reloading and no position group weaknesses.  Hoke's best classes are true Freshmen or Seniors in high school.  They are talented, but not ready.  Give it a little time.

 

dragonchild

September 2nd, 2012 at 3:20 PM ^

I understand the sentiment; you're basically thinking like a patient fan, right?  Our expectations for this crew may have been too high.  It's unrealistic to expect Hoke and this crew to play with essentially an NFL farm team.  Give 'em another couple of years and we'll see where we're at.

I get that, but Denard and the other seniors don't have those couple of years to wait like we do.  This was their only chance to beat Alabama.  Next year's incoming freshman class doesn't have anything to do with THIS team, and this is where I respect Hoke the most.  He's already recruiting for 2014, but he's putting all his coaching effort into THIS team.  We know full well these guys aren't the most talented in Michigan history (far from it, really), but Hoke is about THIS Michigan team.  He is going to try to win every game with THESE guys.  And damn if he didn't get closer than I thought.  Honestly.  I'm still waiting for someone to call me out and say I'm crazy for thinking Michigan had a chance, but re-watching the same ugly everyone else saw, I can't help but think what could've been.  I remember hearing all week the coaches saying consistency is an issue and the kids are trying hard.  I don't expect Denard to thread needles the way Tom Brady did, but he could've at least avoided not throwing the ball RIGHT AT a defender.  I don't expect the linebackers to bring the ball carrier down at the LoS every play, but seeing them constantly miss arm tackles was frustrating.  Expecting them to play perfectly in Week 1 may have been too much to ask, but it's easier to ask someone to be perfect for an hour than to ask them to simply be more talented.

I didn't expect or ask for a Michigan win; I had a pretty good idea what they were up against.  What I wanted was a memorable game.  The last thing I wanted was sloppy play reducing Michigan to just another stop along the way.  The good news is that "sloppy" can be fixed, so there's no need to wait another couple years to see this team do special things.  Moments like Devin's TD catch or BWC's sack. . . these guys didn't own us, sodamn wouldn't it have been nice to make 'em sweat.

These guys were never in the talk for the national title.  Nor am I really thinking about the Big Telewelve championship, to be honest.  I'm just looking forward to seeing what these kids do, and believe me when I say that'd be the case even if they were title contenders.  I want them to win every game, but it's really about seeing them grow every down.  If I wanted to watch flawless execution and worldly talent I'd watch the NFL.  They're not the most talented team, but they're Michigan.

sammylittle

September 2nd, 2012 at 5:12 PM ^

I also want THIS team to win.  It helps to ease my pain when I look at this as a negative data point on an upward trending graph.  I love the way the seniors went out last year after all of the adversity.  I think Team 133 has a positive future with many big wins in store.  This loss hurts, but good things are coming.  I don't see any losses like this after Hoke has 4 of his recruiting classes on campus.

dazedand blue

September 3rd, 2012 at 7:43 AM ^

My concern is not that they were sloppy.  Denard is a senior and still making huge mistakes.  He isn't all of a sudden going be a great passer or make good decisions.  The arm tackles are unexceptable for a Michigan team.  How long have these kids been playing football?  To me this is a technique problem, falling directly on the coachs for not teaching fundamentals.  And then we ran a small scat back into the teeth of that defense, while not giving Denard the opportunity to what he does best are coaching and game planning issues.  I am sickened by what I saw and am loosing patience with the "in a couple of years" and the "cupboard was bare" attitude.  I hope I am wrong but I saw a regression in coaching during that game. 

Sorry if I am so pestimistic, but I am really saddened and depressed by what I saw.

Go Blue

Pdeaner

September 2nd, 2012 at 2:56 PM ^

I agree with you.  Have you ever been to an amusement and rode the biggest fastest roller coaster first?  The rest of the rides seem small and slow.  Versus if you ride them in order from smallest to biggest they all seem big and fast.  Hopefully this perspective from this game will help us in all the others.  Normal amounts of space to throw and run though will now seem big, players will be easier to block and tackle. 

reshp1

September 2nd, 2012 at 5:43 PM ^

I was struggling to come up with something for the positive take away thread last night, but it hit me today...

The best thing about last night was that it was the first time we've gotten embarrassed in over a year and a half. We've got a long way to go still, but let's not forget how far we've come since the Gator Bowl