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Fee Fi Foe Film: Michigan State Defense 2022 Comment Count

Alex.Drain October 28th, 2022 at 12:42 PM

Previously: MSU Offense

After bringing you the MSU offense yesterday, we return with the defensive side of the football. The Spartan defense has been much maligned after being brutalized for the first four weeks of power five competition, but they are coming off a much better showing versus Wisconsin.

The Film: Though Wisconsin is the worst P5 offense that MSU has played, they are also the only P5 offense MSU has played with their two stars from last season, S Xavier Henderson and DT Jacob Slade, healthy. That left me handcuffed and forced to pick the Badgers as the team to chart, even if their QB is broken and their offense is a pitiful husk of a dinosaur so bad it got the coach fired. Therefore, I will be resorting to using some clips from games against functional passing offenses to get to the bottom of MSU's pass defense, but the charting data applies to Wisconsin. 

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Michigan State has mixed in a lot of bodies on the defensive line because injuries have rocked this group. Transfer EDGE Khris Bogle went down with injury, as did pseudo-returning EDGE starter Jeff Pietrowski. Both may or may not be back this weekend against Michigan, following MSU's bye week. In their place, youngster Zion Young and the more veteran Brandon Wright have stepped in as the nominal starters, but they're both rotating in and out. Michael Fletcher is in the mix, as was Avery Dunn, before he, too, encountered injury. If Bogle and/or Pietrowski return, then you can toss them in the bucket. Jacoby Windmon, who we will return to at the LB position, was an EDGE earlier in the year before sliding to the second level against Wisconsin. 

DT is the strength of the defense for what feels like the 19th straight season, despite the absence of Jacob Slade. He's back from injury, having returned for his first P5 game against Wisconsin, and after another two weeks to rest up, Slade should be back to full strength. Slade was the Dangerman last year and I'm keeping him there this season. MSU's other DTs besides Slade are not horrible either. They sorely missed Slade, but they have a stable of solid players. Derrick Harmon is the starter and he impressed me against Wisconsin. Simeon Barrow ain't a bad player either. I'm less enthusiastic about Deshaun MalloryJalen Hunt, or Maverick Hansen this season, but the fact I can tell you about the 6th DT on the depth chart tells you the trust MSU's coaches have in this whole group to rotate them in. If Slade is 100%, I would expect less rotation against Michigan. 

The LB level sees the return of Cal Haladay, an old-fashioned LB who eschews gloves for his dirt-stained knuckles. Haladay was a starter last season as RS Fr but has concerningly taken a step backwards. He's still a bit of an issue in coverage but the run defense that he was pretty strong at last season has regressed. Next to him is the aforementioned UNLV transfer Windmon, who started the season on a tear as an EDGE against such teams as WMU and Akron but cooled off some against P5 competition before shifting to LB. I thought he was alright against Wisconsin; PFF still loves Windmon, but we opted against the star given the position switch and everything else. Aaron Brule is the SAM that they used against a beefy team like Wisconsin, a Mississippi State transfer who also has a nose for pass-rushing. If anyone needs relief it will come in the form of Old Friend/New Enemy Ben VanSumeren, who got some run as a starter before they moved Windmon to LB, which was perhaps done to get BVS off the field. 

At corner, welp. There is still a parade of transfers and that is not a good thing. Georgia transfer Ameer Speed (our name of the week winner) has not solved the problem that existed last season and none of the returners have gotten better. Charles Brantley was mostly a reserve last season but has gotten a promotion to starter thanks to the demotion of Florida transfer Chester Kimbrough, who was disappeared after an abhorrent effort against Washington. He resurfaced for six snaps against OSU but has otherwise been missing in B1G play. Alabama transfer Ronald Williams, last year's #1 corner, is also still around but has been riding the pine, rotating in occasionally. D2 transfer Kendell Brooks from North Greenville University has also gotten in the rotation and he, like everyone else here, can't cover anybody. Brantley and Speed are the every-down starters. 

When they play in a 4-2-5, the nickel/HSP appears to be Tr Fr Dillon Tatum, who ascended to a regular job for the first time this season with 34 snaps against Wisconsin. Brooks has suited up at the safety level as well, and they can play any of the two normal safeties here too. The season-ending injury to Darius Snow seriously derailed the plans for this position. The main starters are FS Xavier Henderson and Angelo Grose, both of whom are (surprise!) better against the run than in coverage. Henderson was a star of this defense last year and retains his star as a result, having missed significant time with injury. Grose has not been good but avoided the cyan, with problems in coverage as the main issue. Jaden Mangham got time in Henderson's absence, while Tate Hallock is also listed on the depth chart in the two-deep here. 

[AFTER THE JUMP: Too many open receivers that Wisconsin refused to throw to]

Base set: MSU is alternating between two looks depending on opponent, a 4-3 with the SAM Brule (which they featured more often against Wisconsin) and a 4-2-5. Here's the 4-3: 

And here is the 4-2-5: 

There is an interesting 2-4-5* look on 3rd & long situations which I will show you later and an occasional 3-3-5, but this is the base configuration. 

Man or zone coverage: Michigan State was running several different coverages against Wisconsin but drawing upon other games, they are best described as pattern matching Cover 3. There is a blend of man and zone stuff, but Cover 3 is the best term for it overall. Part of the reason I had some issue identifying coverages is because it is not working whatsoever, man or zone. Open receivers dot the field on every play it can become hard to figure out what they're trying to do. 

Pressure: Michigan State rushed >4 players on 32% of snaps, whereas they rushed <4 players on 3% of snaps. That blitz number clocks in as one of the higher numbers this season, a bit ahead of PSU last time out. It is still well below the incredibly high 60% that Indiana put up, which leads the FFFF blitz tracker this season, but does indicate that the Spartans like to blitz (as was the case last season). The latter number of 3% merely shows that rushing three is a very rare tactic.  

Dangerman: We're double dipping and bringing back last year's Dangerman, DT Jacob Slade. I know he hasn't played much this season but a healthy Slade, and after two weeks off he should be much closer to that, is a wrecking ball on the defensive interior you have to account for, one of the best DTs in the conference. Slade gave Michigan fits last season, brutalizing Karsen Barnhart (who was playing G for Trevor Keegan), and that was after I had already identified him as the Dangerman in this piece. Slade didn't play as much as you may expect for a star against Wisconsin, but he was working his way back from injury, which likely contributed. I still got a couple clips of him: 

DT #64 second from the bottom

Here it his interior rush that helps push Mertz to the right and into the edge Wright for the sack. 

On this next clip he swims through the IOL but Mertz is able to get the ball off before he arrives: 

DT #64 towards the top

I know these aren't the most impressive clips, but again, he wasn't quite 100%. I still have the ammo from last season: 

DT #64 second from the bottom

Slices right through the IOL and forces the Miami QB to get the ball out in a hurry. The pass rush is there from Slade and he applies those same skills, the jump off the snap and ferocity, to bully his way into the backfield and stop the run. I would expect Michigan will hit him with doubles pretty regularly given that the other DTs don't pose the sort of every-down threat that Slade does. He is the best organic rusher on the DL when Windmon is playing LB and he is most likely to cause a crucial TFL in the run game that turns a drive. That's why I kept the Dangerman designation with him. 

 

Overview

So let's talk about the Michigan State defense. After two solid efforts against two bad MAC opponents, allowing a combined 13 points, MSU has proceeded to allow 39, 34, 27, 49, and 28 points against P5 competition. The yardage totals allowed are 503, 507, 489, 614, and 283. That last game is the one that makes your ears perk up a bit, a respectable performance against a B1G opponent! The easiest way to explain what happened against Wisconsin is through two factors. First, MSU's previous performances were worse than what they should be allowing given injuries, and they got quite a bit healthier against the Badgers. Secondly, and more importantly, the driving force behind that game was the manner in which Wisconsin was ill-prepared to exploit Michigan State's defensive weakness. 

What I mean by that is that the Spartan pass defense is a major weak spot, as it was last year, and Wisconsin has one functional receiver and a completely broken QB. I did not clip the play where Mertz threw a ball that went straight through the arms of two MSU DBs without a Wisconsin receiver anywhere in the area, but it was emblematic of the player he is. That QB and that passing game was not going to attack the Spartan defense where it hurts. But Ohio State and Washington and Maryland and Minnesota? They were set up to go after it where there are problems. 

The problems are primarily that everyone is open on every play. Here are the stat lines of the QBs from those four games: 

  • 24/40, 397 yards, 9.9 Y/A, 4 TD, 0 INT
  • 23/26, 268 yards, 10.3 Y/A, 3 TD, 0 INT
  • 32/41, 314 yards, 7.7 Y/A, 1 TD, 0 INT 
  • 21/26, 361 yards, 13.9 Y/A, 6 TD, 1 INT 

Woof. The one interception MSU forced in that span was a ball that CJ Stroud threw directly to Charles Brantley after mis-communicating with his receiver. It was a gift with a bow on it. Otherwise, zilch. 

What I saw against Wisconsin were these same problems, but the Badgers had only limited interest in seizing them. Like last season, this throw was open all day long: 

When it was time to slam the door and finish the game off, MSU's pass defense wasn't stopping it: 

Or in OT: 

These clips look a lot like the ones I saw against Maryland or Ohio State. The immense cushion: 

The guys wide open in zone: 

They didn't have a massive bust against Wisconsin like they did in previous games, but those have been there this season: 

These problems are not going to be fixed by health in my mind. The injuries have primarily targeted the front seven, with the defensive line being hardest hit. Getting Xavier Henderson back helps some, but the reason they can't cover is because the corners are all horrible in coverage and no one has gotten injured there. They just all stink. And Henderson last season was better in run defense and pass rush than in coverage. This is a schematic/talent/coaching problem that dates back to last season (and I guess the COVID year if you consider that a real season (I do not)). 

In some ways, the MSU pass defense is one of the least interesting things I've had to cover at FFFF because there isn't much to say. Ameer Speed and Charles Brantley are the starting corners but are they any different than Ronald Williams or Chester Kimbrough? Not really. There are no particularly weak points or great guys in coverage to point out. Everyone is bad and they're all about equally as bad. Receivers are open on every play and if you have a QB who knows how to survey the field or throw the football accurately, you will likely dice them up. End of story. Wisconsin did not have that. 

Run defense and pass rush is far more interesting to me. The MSU rush defense struggled this season in the absence of Slade, but played well against Wisconsin after getting him back into the lineup. Though Braelon Allen rushed for 4.2 YPC on the day, he had one scamper of 34 yards that skews it a bit. His other 28 carries went for a notch over 3 YPC. There were some issues, but there were also some impressive stuffs. I like Derrick Harmon

DT #41 second to bottom of DL

Harmon has emerged from the woodwork this season, moving past Simeon Barrow on the depth chart, who I was already a fan of: 

I am less enthusiastic about the other DTs, but if Slade is back to 100% and they stick with Harmon and Barrow at the other spots, this is probably the best interior defensive line Michigan has seen this season. It may not matter because Michigan's IOL might just be invincible against anyone except (maybe) OSU this season, but I'd expect some friction between the tackles. Where Wisconsin had the most success was when Allen bounced: 

Allen is a good RB and the hesitation shown on this next play to find the cutback lane reminded me of Corum: 

The reason that running outside the tackles has more success is because in contrast to the DTs, the EDGE players are just guys. I liked Brandon Wright okay in this game, but he's not yet a difference maker. Maybe they'll get Khris Bogle or Jeff Pietrowski healthy for this one, but it's hard to know what sort of an impact they'd have. Zion Young may have promise as a youngster, but he's inexperienced and prone to getting sealed off. It's Young getting sealed in the clip I showed just before the previous one that allows Allen to bounce without issue. The corners and LBs had some trouble getting off blocks, so the one jet sweep Wisconsin ran worked magnificently: 

At the LB level, Cal Haladay didn't show me as much as I'd like in run defense, but he was still okay. Jacoby Windmon was up-and-down defending the run, sometimes liable to missing the hole, other times with his nose in the right spot to plug a run. Playing behind these DTs helps, which is why you can target them more effectively, and find them more vulnerable, running outside the tackles. 

I would be remiss if I did not mention that the one thing MSU's run defense has done consistently well all season: execute goal line stands. Against Washington, they were faced with 1st & G from the *one yard line* and stuffed *four straight rushes*. Against Maryland, it was 1st & G from the two and they stopped four straight rushes. Against Wisconsin, it was 1st & G from the four and only on the fourth rush did the Badgers find the end zone. When asked to defend one yard, this defense pins its ears back and finds a way every damn time. Why teams keep trying it, I do not know. But it must be on the scouting report. 

If MSU has hope of slowing down the Michigan passing offense, it will have to come through the pass rush. Early in the season, it looked like Jacoby Windmon was a Dude. He put up five sacks(!) against WMU and had the CFB world buzzing. He had another one the next week against Akron and then... none since then. He's still had some decent rushes, but the move to P5 competition has blunted his impact. With the last Panasiuk moving on and Windmon now moved to LB, MSU does not project to have a hand-in-the-dirt edge rusher who should threaten Michigan's tackles. That doesn't mean they can't get tricky and try some things out. MSU tried a delayed corner blitz with Brantley that Mertz never saw and it worked for a sack: 

Of course, as we mentioned about the DTs, the most effective organic passrushers as defensive linemen are the men on the interior, especially when you pepper in a stunt: 

The reason I added that "as defensive linemen" line there is because the LBs are pretty good passrushers on their own. Windmon as I mentioned, but SAM Aaron Brule as well. An interesting package MSU went to in 3rd & longs was to line Brule and Windmon both up at the line of scrimmage with two down linemen, and then use Haladay and Ben VanSumeren as the LBs. Nominally, this is a 2-4-5, even if it looks like a 4-2-5. The reason is because they'd rather have those two LBs be their passrushers rather than the EDGE guys. Here's one such play: 

As stated in the pressure section, MSU likes to blitz and the personnel is a reason for that. Their best pass rushers are at the second level and given the deficiencies in the secondary, they need to make some noise to get off the field. I'd expect them to send a variety of blitzes and activate Brule and/or Windmon to try and throw McCarthy off his game or force a turnover. That worked against Mertz, who has Jared Goff-like pocket awareness skills, but I am more skeptical of how it will do against Michigan's OL and McCarthy. 

What does this mean for Michigan? 

If Michigan is indeed an elite offense, which we believe that they are, then they should have no problems making work of the Michigan State defense. The wrinkle of course being that it may have to be a pass-first approach. Again, the Wolverines may be able to just trample the Spartans on the ground because the OL muscle is so special, but I'm assuming that may not be the case just for scouting purposes. Let's say Slade and Harmon/Barrow gum things up inside. Then what? The answer is to do what Michigan didn't do last season in this matchup, which was operate pass-first and let JJ McCarthy pick the Spartans apart. Receivers are going to be open all day long, let him find them and roll into this game with an Ohio State-like game plan. 

The deep stuff should be open. The short stuff should be open. The intermediate stuff should be open. Whatever Michigan wants to do through the air should be there. They may have to deal with some funky blitzes but there should not be consistent down-to-down pressure to disrupt all this. Sling the ball around and march down the field, using the run as a relief for the pass. Mix in some bubble screens as well that test the edges, run a jet sweep or two, and have JJ's legs play a factor as well. I assume Michigan wants revenge and will pull out a few new plays as well. Have no remorse and build your run off the pass, because the pass is such a mismatch you have to take advantage of it. 

Comments

AC1997

October 28th, 2022 at 1:18 PM ^

One minor point about your conclusion - you say Michigan "didn't pass" last year in this matchup.  Yet they threw 48 times for over 400 yards.  Hopefully we don't need to do more than that this year.  We did "struggle" on the ground with 34 carries for just 146 yards.  

I think the key thing in this game is to be willing to let the pass set up the run, be creative because simple "execution of basic plays" won't be enough, and don't turn the ball over.  The two turnovers were killer last year and we can't give them field position or defensive scores.

The real key, however, is likely on the other side of the ball.  We scored 34 points last year and lost thanks to 5 TDs by Walker (and aided greatly by horrible officiating).  Our defense needs to shut them down and win the turnover battle.  

stephenrjking

October 28th, 2022 at 1:22 PM ^

I hate to nit-pick but I'm not sure I understand what is meant by this, emphasis added:

The answer is to do what Michigan didn't do last season in this matchup, which was operate pass-first

Michigan threw 48 times last year. They did run on first down a fair amount, but they weren't afraid to go to the air, and it succeeded. 

That said, I'd like to see JJ throw for 300+, but if the staff decides it can stomp MSU's face right into the teeth of the interior *and succeeds* I would be just fine with that. 

blueheron

October 28th, 2022 at 1:23 PM ^

For those interested, here are the 247 recruiting profiles for the three transfer CBs from the SEC:

https://247sports.com/Player/Ronald-Williams-91722/junior-college-242576/ (JUCO)

https://247sports.com/Player/Ameer-Speed-83311/high-school-144276/

https://247sports.com/Player/Chester-Kimbrough-86455/high-school-156739/

Recruiting rankings matter, but they're not perfect. All three guys look OK on paper.

SpartanInA2

October 28th, 2022 at 2:27 PM ^

Yeah, a lot of people look at all the transfer pickups and think Tucker's main strategy is to build the program through the portal. We had 1 scholarship corner in spring ball in 2021, and he got passed up by 3 transfers and a true freshman and was in the portal after game 4. Tucker had no choice but to take whatever he could get from the portal.

bronxblue

October 28th, 2022 at 2:08 PM ^

The problem with the rankings at this point is we're talking about evaluations from 2017 (in Speed's case) and 2018 (in Kimbrough's case) that never really paid out when they saw the field.  Speed I get trying to take a flyer on because Georgia's defense has been elite so being behind some NFL-level corners isn't your fault but still, it's guys who struggled to see the field in the SEC and it's not like the Big 10 lacks athletes at the skill positions.  It's rare you're going to go from unproductive at a P5 stop to super productive at another P5 spot unless you have off-the-field issues that kept you away (e.g. Okie at Alabama).

I do wonder if their season continues to struggle if they don't try to use younger guys at the corner spots just to see if some new blood can shake it up.  At this point it isn't just talent or coaching but some weird combo of them all, and a change might do wonders.

bronxblue

October 28th, 2022 at 1:32 PM ^

I was more worried about this side of the ball before reading this column and seeing the videos.  Wisconsin's rushing hasn't been great this year when facing even semi-competent defenses on the ground while UM has done well against good units.  And the passing defense is atrocious and highlights how hard it is to portal your way to competency there.

MSU will absolutely annoy UM at times and there will be some drive killers but this feels like a defense UM can just exhaust over 4 quarters.

MGoBlue96

October 28th, 2022 at 1:34 PM ^

Definitely seems like the type of game for JJ to get his first 350+ yard passing game. Combined him and McNamara already threw for 400+ last season. My one concern about this game is Michigan's coaching staff feeling as though they can pave anyone regardless of how many bodies are flung at the line of scrimmage but I think MSU will elect to sell out and  I think UM will show their front seven enough to respect with Slade back to not do that. Or at least I hope because a poor offensive gameplan for UM is about the only way I see MSU being able to win this game. And even then they might still get away with it. But I think I would rather the offensive staff attack MSU'S secondary early and often and have a comfortable lead rather than get into the 4th in a situation where weird shit might actually be of help to MSU. Really there is no reason for this offense to not best it's 35 point total from last year with a decent offensive gameplan.

alum96

October 28th, 2022 at 1:37 PM ^

Olu v Slade will be a hell of a matchup. That's 2 NFL players going at it.


Windmon creates havoc, TFLs, and a lot of turnovers.  See him more of a star than Henderson who is stabilizing but not a lights out player. 

bronxblue

October 28th, 2022 at 2:02 PM ^

Windmon creates havoc, TFLs, and turnovers against G5 teams - against Wisconsin (by far his best P5 game), OSU, MD, Minnesota and Washington he has 25 tackles, 4 TFLs, 0 sacks, 2 forced fumbles and 1 pick.  Now, if you think Wisconsin is more representative of his performance than the other games because of the position switch so be it but even then we're talking about a game where Mertz threw a ball directly to him and the forced fumble seemed to be Allen going down because a corner surprised him from the side and the ball was squirting out as a result.  

Slade scares me way more than Windmon because that's a guy who has shown he can perform against Michigan for years, while Windmon feels more like a decent up-transfer who has issues against competent offenses.

LeCheezus

October 28th, 2022 at 2:33 PM ^

Slade is definitely a good player.  Even Seth has been going off on the podcast about how he dominated out OL last year…but that was Barnhart, Vastardis and Filiaga. Having Zinter and Keegan healthy and upgrading at C with Olu… I dont think you will get the same results.  Run stuffs from MSU in this game will likely be heavy/possibly irresponsible run blitzes or LB’s throwing themselves at gaps before reading plays and guessing right.

Id love for Harbaugh someday to throw out USC’s second half 2007 Rose Bowl game plan where you literally pass every play for a half because it’s where the D’s weakness is, but I just don’t see it happening.

A State Fan

October 28th, 2022 at 1:41 PM ^

DL: DTs Slade, Barrow, Hansen, and Hunt have all missed at least one game (I think Harmon has been healthy for all). 2nd and 3rd DEs Bogle and Pietrowski have now been out several weeks. Dunn was hurt against Wisconsin. So how harsh can the criticisms be of the players on the field when it's not anything like it was projected to be? Mallory shifted from DT to DE against Wisconsin, I think mainly just to combat their bulk, so maybe we see that again. Wright doesn't get a ton of consistent pressure at DE when he's in.

LB: have been bad. the opening snap of the season was BVS and Snow, so functionally like a 4-1-6. With Snow gone and no replacement for him at all, they've gone with Haladay who's fine, BVS who's probably below avg, and then basically nothing else until this Wisco game (Windmon was DE, Brule was injured). Losing Snow was a disaster.

CB: Speed doesn't have any, heyo! He's lost out there, doesn't have any physicality on the edge. Brantley is decent, but he's so small. He tries to be physical, but if he comes into contact with the WR at any point he goes flying. If not, he can actually stay with the WR better than anyone else. Other guys were emergency transfers last year who haven't proved to be any good, so they were replaced with an emergency transfer this year!

Safety: Angelo Grose is the worst player on this team by a m-i-l-e. The gap between him and the next worst player is insane. He takes the worst angles to every play, he can't cover anyone. He alone is responsible for probably a dozen TDs and busts so far this year. And I maintain that if Henderson/Snow were healthy all year Grose would have been benched a long time ago. As it stands now, Henderson/Brooks is our best safety pairing - neither is super fast, but Henderson is smart, and Brooks is an absolute hitter. Grose has slid into that slot/hybrid role that I think would have been Snow if healthy. Dillon Tatum played a ton last week, that was kinda fun! He dropped an absolute gift INT, but hopefully we see his time increase and Grose's decrease. Hopefully Henderson tutelage + consistent time for Brooks/Tatum helps us. EDIT: I can't believe I forgot Jaden Mangham, who playing time was increasing, leading to a start vs OSU, and getting carted off the field with a neck injury (I believe he's fine but didn't play vs Wisconsin and I assume they'll be cautious with). So just more turnover and inconsistency. Hopefully Henderson/Brooks/Tatum/Mangham can improve.

 

Overall - really hard to judge MSUs season so far, but they're probably really bad. It's a unit that could have really used some continuity, but with a dozen different injuries and shuffling no one knows what they're supposed to be doing. I don't think the 4-3 is the solution overall, I think that was more Wisconsin specific. But with a run heavy Michigan maybe it'll stick around a bit.

Mr. Elbel

October 28th, 2022 at 1:44 PM ^

Ok, so.

Roman Wilson 2022: 6 games played, 16 rec for 253 yards, 1 run for 21 yards, 4 total TDs
Ronnie Bell 2022: 7 games played, 35 rec for 429 yards, 3 runs for 23 yards, 2 total TDs
Cornelius Johnson 2022: 7 games played, 15 rec for 225 yards, no runs, 3 total TDs

Give the man his star. If Johnson got dangerman for 1 game, Wilson is even more deserving. If any other team had a blog like ours and did a chart like this, Roman Wilson would be right up near the top with Bell for dangerous players on offense.

Give Roman his star, and give Olu his shield while you're at it.

BTB grad

October 28th, 2022 at 2:28 PM ^

We saw how PSU had Roman’s coverage parked deep because they were afraid of Roman getting by them. Roman doesn’t touch the ball as much as he should but he clearly changes the game plan for defenses and affects how they’re calling defense each play he’s out there. He deserves a star.

lhglrkwg

October 28th, 2022 at 1:52 PM ^

I'm a little afraid Michigan is going to try to force the run in this game when there's a big neon sign over the MSU defense that says "PASS THE BALL YOU FOOL". However I think this year Michigan has shown that they're willing to ride with what works

  • Threw a lot of screens IIRC vs teams playing in the parking lot
  • Patience vs Iowas cover 2
  • Ran the ball down down to Penn State's throats and avoided their 2 great CBs

Hopefully that means Weiss and Moore have a pass-first plan that uses JJs legs a few times too. When the ?s over the MSU DBs heads turn to ???? as they're playing 10 yards off the LOS, Blake and Donovan will find room to run

TK

October 28th, 2022 at 1:53 PM ^

I’m a worrier but I would rather this team be incompetent in stopping the run rather the pass. If getting Slade back makes them able to stop our run game it could make things interesting. 

MGoBlue96

October 28th, 2022 at 2:11 PM ^

Only if UM's coaches allow it with the gameplan but honestly they threw 48 times in last years game for 400+ yards. The end of the preview making it seem like they didn't throw the ball in last year's game is odd. They did skew toward the run on first and second down in that game a little bit so the one change would be more balance on early downs I guess.

Indonacious

October 28th, 2022 at 2:01 PM ^

"Though Braelon Allen rushed for 4.2 YPC on the day, he had one scamper of 34 yards that skews it a bit." I mean that's not like a 80 yarder...well within a reasonable run. If michigan can run for 5YPC, then this game is a blowout. Their only hope for success is to completely clamp the run game and fluke their way into some aerial turnovers (like the helmet one against PSU or strouds One) or fumbles. Much easier to defend the run when the defense does not have to meaningfully respect the QB run game or passing game.

bronxblue

October 28th, 2022 at 2:11 PM ^

I will agree about discounting the Allen run this much - you watch the highlight and it's a totally reasonable 34-yard run when he beat an edge and the LBers weren't there to clean it up.  That happens a lot in games.  Both Edwards and Corum can absolutely recreate that productivity.  And beyond that run he also had a 20-yarder, a 19-yarder, a couple more 7+ yard runs.  MSU stopped him at times but it wasn't some unreasonable performance especially considering how bad Wisconsin is offensively.

dragonchild

October 28th, 2022 at 2:01 PM ^

Some weeks back I joked that if Michigan finds themselves in an and-1 down that isn’t fourth, they should go backwards.

The serious version is that MSU’s opponents were stupid enough to abandon the pass and run right at literally the only good players on MSU’s defense when a gorram screen probably gets them home.

Harbaugh4TheWin

October 28th, 2022 at 2:21 PM ^

The team that wins the rushing stats is the team that wins 99% of these games.  Because Jim Harbaugh wants to Harbaugh anyway, I'm guessing he doesn't mess with his formula because it's MSU.  He will impose his will with a great O-line and stud running backs, as he usually does, and pass when he should.  I think we can pound away at MSU until it's 4th quarter road grade time.  Until then, when we do get stopped, much like Iowa, our D will bait, force, or allow them to make offensive mistakes that we turn into points. I think we have a great advantage over their offensive line with pressure up the middle, stunts, blitzes, and schemes from our former NFL defensive coach.  After a while, their defense will wear down from being on the field so much, and our run game will put them away mercilessly.  Our usual formula won't change because it's MSU.  I think they will get some big plays but give back just as many.  I can respect their front 7 and punter, but not their offense or kicker. We will run the ball because... Harbaugh.  And we will definitely stop the run, win the rushing stats BIG, and therefore, the game.  Michigan 42 - MSU 17.  GO BLUE!!!

SpartanInA2

October 28th, 2022 at 2:21 PM ^

As good as Corum and Edwards are, I think you're doing us a favor every time you hand it off. That's not to say you can't win by running a bunch. You'll get some decent yards on the ground and probably break a few good runs, but it'll be so much easier if you just throw it on every play.

Regarding the secondary, I think getting Henderson back is a big boost that won't amount to much in this game. That sounds weird, but I'll try to explain. Henderson is the captain, leader, coach on the field, whatever term you want to use. With him back, I expect fewer coverage busts due to DB/LB miscommunication and uncovered receivers. Unfortunately, they still can't cover when they do get their assignments right. So, I think instead of WRs being wide open due to miscommunications, WRs will be open because they're just better than the DBs. Against a good passing offense, that probably doesn't make much of a difference. But it could really help us against the likes of Illinois, Indiana, and Rutgers (and who knows, maybe even PSU).

njvictor

October 28th, 2022 at 2:43 PM ^

MSU continues to feel like a poor man's PSU except MSU doesn't have NFL talent in their secondary. Seems like a similar game plan would be in order with more short passing mixed in. Wilson, Bell, and Anthony should feast on this defense

JonnyHintz

October 28th, 2022 at 3:17 PM ^

The answer is to do what Michigan didn't do last season in this matchup, which was operate pass-first 
 

We threw the ball 48 times… 14 more times than we ran.

JonnyHintz

October 29th, 2022 at 9:52 AM ^

Why are you only looking at first downs? 🤔 plenty of pass heavy teams still run quite often on first down. The idea is to keep yourself out of obvious passing downs.
 

An incompletion on first down and you’re looking at 2nd and 10 and likely passing the ball. Run the ball for 3-4 yards and you’re in 2nd and medium and the entire playboy is at your disposal, keeping your opponent on its heels. 
 

a 60/40 split on first downs isn’t going to tell you whether you’re pass first or not. Pretty irrelevant to even bring it up.